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Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

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Sacks 'n' Stuff

Sacks 'n' Stuff

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43 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

 

I hear ya, and I agree, but fight back with wit, fight back with rational argument and intellect, fight back with style!

 

The moral high ground is ALWAYS a better defensive position

Totally agree. Fight back with all of those things. Might as well use every weapon at our disposal, right? Also, you're going to want to use every dirty trick in the book for a little while as well. Once this current GOP has been destroyed, everyone can get back to actual governance.

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52 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Republicans proved there is no such thing as being too hysterically negative about your opponent.  It works.  Spectacularly.  It helped get a giant ****ing moron reality TV star with no qualifications for office of any sort elected president over a public servant with a lifetime of experience preparing her for the office.  Democrats need to raise Hell about every single thing Trump ****s up.  It will destroy his favorability, define him and his agenda, drown out his messages, and kill his support.  Zoony you can't **** about how Democrats don't play to win one week and then **** about how they whine too much the next.  This is how you win now.

Not to mention politically energy is activated through anger.  Democrats are building a grass roots movement whose organizing principle is "Trump's a disaster and we ****ing hate him."

Your mistake is thinking that the voters will treat Dems and GOP the same for the same antics.  The GOP always wins this debate because part of their base argument is that Govt doesnt work to solve problems.  When the Dems prevent Govt from doing anything, they are strengthening that core argument for the GOP.

 

The Dems need to play a different game.

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1 minute ago, Kilmer17 said:

The GOP always wins this debate because part of their base argument is that Govt doesnt work to solve problems.  When the Dems prevent Govt from doing anything, they are strengthening that core argument for the GOP.

Nobody over there really cares about big government vs small government or states rates. They care about GOP rights. When big government aligns with what the GOP wants, they're all for it.

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idiot trump, operating on the level of a standard lamebrain internet poster, tweets what are meant to be  "gotcha" pics of schumer meeting putin in 2003 "gas if he has a point..what a ****ing moron (and he'll have a lot of fellow morons who will "agree"....SCARY!

 

 

what's also up there is he's pushing back their "perfected" (tho it was fine to begin with according to them) travel ban again, tho it's urgently need asap cuz there be a flood of bad hombres slipping in under the wire, so time to tweet some distractions!...he isn't learning that the tactic isn't working...the media/internet still makes fun of the tweet and still has time to cover the important idiocies and lies...

 

6 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Nobody over there really cares about big government vs small government or states rates. They care about GOP rights. When big government aligns with what the GOP wants, they're all for it.

   

 

yeah, but not all of 'em...there's still a core of smaller gov gopers besides Paul...dying breed tho

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27 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Your mistake is thinking that the voters will treat Dems and GOP the same for the same antics.  The GOP always wins this debate because part of their base argument is that Govt doesnt work to solve problems.  When the Dems prevent Govt from doing anything, they are strengthening that core argument for the GOP.

 

The Dems need to play a different game.

No they don't.  Any strategy that suppresses the support of your opponent and activates your own base is a winner.  Did it matter to Republicans that they attacked Clinton for being corrupt while simultaneously nominating a candidate from the Gilded Age?  Nope.  Reason does not decide elections.  And Democrats need not attack government as a whole in obstructing and criticizing Trump, only Republican led government.

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1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

No they don't.  Any strategy that suppresses the support of your opponent and activates your own base is a winner.  Did it matter to Republicans that they attacked Clinton for being corrupt while simultaneously nominating a candidate from the Gilded Age?  Nope.  Reason does not decide elections.  And Democrats need not attack government as a whole in obstructing and criticizing Trump, only Republican led government.

Dems obstruction wont suppress the support for Trump and the GOP.  It will have the opposite affect.

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15 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

No, It's totally the fault of the right for cultivating a base of idiots, racists, and homophobes.

Ok guys, much like Hillary had to come back and apologize for her "basket of deplorables" comment, I come to you today, hat in hand, to express my sincere apologies for the statement above.

 

I do not believe that the average member of the GOP voting base is an idiot, racist, and homophobe. What I was trying to say is that some are idiots, some are racists, and some are homophobes. It can be an either / or thing. A lot of them are, of course, all three at once or a combination of any two of those qualities but I didn't mean to, you know... generalize.

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2 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Dems obstruction wont suppress the support for Trump and the GOP.  It will have the opposite affect.

Didn't we think the same thing about Republican obstructionism?  Weren't things like sequestration and the government shutdown and blocking Obama's supreme court nominee supposed to backfire and be politically disastrous?  They had no electoral consequence whatsoever.

 

It's a moot point though because the Democrats aren't in position to obstruct any part of the Republican agenda yet.  When they are, they absolutely should play from the same opposition playbook the Republicans wrote.  They'd be saps not to.

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Democratic resistance is different in that they will largely be resisting "the dismantling of the administrative state".  Republicans resisted implementation of policies. I guess tearing things down could be considered a policy, but it is certainly a different flavor.

 

Besides on a lot of things (like healthcare) they can just refuse to go along and let the Rs tear themselves apart.

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10 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Dems obstruction wont suppress the support for Trump and the GOP.  It will have the opposite affect.

It's not about suppressing support for Trump. It's about minimizing the damage that this regime can do, whipping the left voter base into a frenzy so they get off their asses and hit the polls 20 months from now, and sending a message to the GOP that the left isn't going to sit back and let you pull this **** anymore without a serious, SERIOUS fight.

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Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

It's not about suppressing support for Trump. It's about whipping the left voter base into a frenzy so they get off their asses and hit the polls 20 months from now.

It's about both.  How much of the Republican base are Trump true believers?  I would guess like 15%.  The majority of his voters were Republicans choosing R.  Out of habit.  And out of successful messaging on the part of Republicans and the Trump campaign.  Mostly negative messaging that Clinton and the progressive agenda were worse.  That negative messaging also tarred Clinton and deactivated millions of Obama voters so that Trump was actually able to win despite receiving fewer votes than Romney and McCain.

 

In general, when campaigns go negative, the goal is to suppress the enthusiasm of your opponent's base.  There is a huge swath of people that voted for Trump who don't really believe in him and can be deactivated by being swamped with constant negative messaging about him.

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