Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

[tshile]

The best part of the Wallace and Smith back and forth, is that in the middle of ranting about the lies Smith has to stop and reveal breaking news about the lies lol

[Larry]

7 minutes ago, tshile said:

People are starting to figure out the right and wrong side of this one, and value their reputations.

 

That and that Trump isnt worth fighting for because he'll throw you under the bus and back it over as soon as it becomes convenient to do so.

 

The real question is what % of the population will refuse to ever think this stuff matters and is true?

 

I keep seeing 30-40% thrown around. God I hope it's not that high.

 

 

Oh, I could certainly see the Republicans move away from Trump.  

 

A few months after he's gone, it will be an article of faith among Republicans that Trump was never one of them, anyway, and that anybody who in any way defended him was only doing it because they were loyal to the team (and who could possibly say that there's anything wrong with that?)  

 

Heck, if there's one thing that the Republican base is good at, it's creating alternate realities.  

[No Excuses]

13 minutes ago, tshile said:

People are starting to figure out the right and wrong side of this one, and value their reputations.

 

That and that Trump isnt worth fighting for because he'll throw you under the bus and back it over as soon as it becomes convenient to do so.

 

The real question is what % of the population will refuse to ever think this stuff matters and is true?

 

I keep seeing 30-40% thrown around. God I hope it's not that high.

 

 

Trump will lose support very fast when the right wing machine breaks their support of him. The base is full of lemmings and will go along with whatever narrative the right wing media is going along with. 

 

They basically abandoned W and pretend he never existed. They **** on McCain and Romney. 

 

 

 

We will learn of the mystery 8th person soon.

 

My money is on Reince.

Edited July 14, 2017 by No Excuses

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

8 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

Trump will lose support very fast when the right wing machine breaks their support of him. The base is full of lemmings and will go along with whatever narrative the right wing media is going along with. 

Other way around. The mob is Rome.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[TradeTheBeal!]

If Trump keeps blowing that dog whistle...and you know he will, he'll retain strong support among about 60% of Republicans.  That's just who makes up the GOP these days.  If he stops blowing that whistle, he will disappear utterly.

Edited July 14, 2017 by TryTheBeal!

[visionary]

 

[Larry]

12 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

Trump will lose support very fast when the right wing machine breaks their support of him. The base is full of lemmings and will go along with whatever narrative the right wing media is going along with. 

 

They basically abandoned W and pretend he never existed. They **** on McCain and Romney. 

 

 

There was a post made in here, within the last day or so, that argues otherwise.  

 

Supposedly, a while back, FoxNews tried disparaging Trump.  And the base became outraged at FoxNews, and ran to Breitbart.  Fox had to walk back.  

 

Not saying that it's impossible.  Fox and the machine has decades of experience programming their audience.  But I wouldn't simply assume that it would be easy, either.  

[Larry]

1 minute ago, visionary said:

 

 

Lots of possible reason for that.  The ones I can think of include:  

 

1)  The Trumpies haven't told him.  

 

2)  The Trumpies have told him, but he doesn't believe them.  (And doesn't want to look like a liar, if he says what he's been told, and it turns out to be untrue.  "I don;t know" is much less likely to get revealed as untrue.)  

 

3)  He's been told, it's damaging, so he doesn't want to say what it is.  And he figures that "I don;t know" looks better for his client than "I won't say".  

 

4)  He doesn't like to reveal his cards, ever, (whether they're damaging or not).  And he figures that "I don;t know" looks better for his client than "I won't say".

 

Certainly assume there's others.  

 

[RedskinsFan44]

i think no excuses has a point though. W had a 35% approval at the end if I remember correctly, and we were on the verge of a depression. Years later those people are backing a guy telling them W lied us into war. When (if) Trump is no longer useful the right wing media could turn on him. As to whether Fox et al or the mob rules, I think there is a bot pf a symbiotic relationship. If suppporting Trump becomes incredibly untenable they will craft a lie that they never really did, just the principles he represented.

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DogofWar1]

1 hour ago, No Excuses said:

It's gonna be him. And when that's revealed, **** will truly hit the fan because it will implicate the RNC. 

It really would.

 

It would immediately put the sudden Ukraine change in the platform in a new (well, updated) light.  Everyone would suddenly try to clam up, but at that point it'd almost feel like a foregone conclusion.  skins_fan1215 might have nailed it back on page 227.

[skinsmarydu]

18 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Lots of possible reason for that.  The ones I can think of include:  

 

1)  The Trumpies haven't told him.  

 

2)  The Trumpies have told him, but he doesn't believe them.  (And doesn't want to look like a liar, if he says what he's been told, and it turns out to be untrue.  "I don;t know" is much less likely to get revealed as untrue.)  

 

3)  He's been told, it's damaging, so he doesn't want to say what it is.  And he figures that "I don;t know" looks better for his client than "I won't say".  

 

4)  He doesn't like to reveal his cards, ever, (whether they're damaging or not).  And he figures that "I don;t know" looks better for his client than "I won't say".

 

Certainly assume there's others.  

 

A 9-year-old with ADHD doesn't remember what happened 5 minutes ago.

[BornaSkinsFan83]

59 minutes ago, tshile said:

People are starting to figure out the right and wrong side of this one, and value their reputations.

 

 

 

Shep Smith has been THE good one at Fox for a looooooong time now. He was doing the same back in the heyday of W. He regularly had moments like this throughout the Iraq War. My new age Buddhist, quasi-socialist, midlife-crisis-chicken farming, FoxNews-hating, weirdo mother has been a devoted fan for forever now (literally the only cable news she's ever watched is generic CNN Headline News and Shepherd Smith. She was a nurse for 30+ years and I think that's what was always on in the lobby.) I've got to witness (or at least hear about) it all. 

 

I'm always amused when people are shocked that he called a spade a spade.  That's just what he does. He really doesn't strike me as artificial and measured in any type of way. He really deserves more recognition. I think it's sad that he's been buried in the midday slot on Fox. 

 

Chris Wallace on the other hand is one of the better ones but still has issues. He rocks at debates and can do quality interviews (like his father) but he also has consistently shoveled the GOP's **** over the years. They use him (and his respected name) to give a type of authority and respectability to the GOP's bull****. You're dead right about him. His reputation is everything to his professional career. He's not going to throw that away for Cap'n ****tard and his Merry Band of Dip****s. 

Edited July 14, 2017 by BornaSkinsFan83

[BornaSkinsFan83]

21 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said:

. If suppporting Trump becomes incredibly untenable they will craft a lie that they never really did, just the principles he represented.

 

We can't let that happen. Not this time. We cannot let people escape accountability this time. No matter how ugly it gets. 

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

The GOP isn't going anywhere.  The Dems always talk about the impending doom of the GOP.  

 

As for accountability, what's the point in accountability when you don't give a **** in the first place?  

[Larry]

Actually, a thought (maybe "fantasy" is a better word) has been occurring to me.  

 

Assuming that the GOP wants to dump Trump, but they just can't figure out how to do it without their base abandoning them.  

 

Maybe the person who can do that is Pence?  

 

Suppose Pence goes on the air, pulls a big "I can no longer tolerate this" speech.  Tells all that he knows.  (Which probably isn't much.  I could easily believe that Team Trump keeps him out of the loop on things.  Not only because he's not a Trump relative, but because he's a potential beneficiary of Trump dirt getting out.)  

 

But he dumps everything he can, out in public.  And not just Trump/Russia stuff, but every thing he can think of.  His work ethic.  His unwillingness to grasp issues.  His TV watching habits.  His tweets.  What he says about other staff members, behind their backs.  Just thrown everything out there in a massive Dirt Dump.  

 

If it all comes out at once, instead of a daily drip for another six months, does that overwhelm the Trump's base ability to move the goalposts quickly enough?  

 

And here's a kicker:  How about if he resigns?  

 

Doing so eliminates the "he's trying to steal Trump's job" claim.  

 

Granted, it would cost him a shot at possibly being President.  (And he's had to have been speculating about that, for months.)  But I could see the GOP arranging a golden parachute for him, if he's willing to do that, for the team.  (Maybe President Ryan would give him his old job back.)  

Edited July 15, 2017 by Larry

[BornaSkinsFan83]

1 hour ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

The GOP isn't going anywhere.  The Dems always talk about the impending doom of the GOP.  

 

As for accountability, what's the point in accountability when you don't give a **** in the first place?  

 

The point is making them give a ****. 

 

And any other time I'd agree on the former.  This scandal is different though. This is the greatest political scandal in the history of this nation. And at this point there's no telling where this ends up.

 

My fellow liberals and other anti-Trump/GOP/bull****ers better be getting ready to get dirty. Getting all verklempt and cynical on social media ain't gonna cut it this time. 

Edited July 15, 2017 by BornaSkinsFan83

[Hersh]

1 hour ago, Larry said:

Actually, a thought (maybe "fantasy" is a better word) has been occurring to me.  

 

Assuming that the GOP wants to dump Trump, but they just can't figure out how to do it without their base abandoning them.  

 

Maybe the person who can do that is Pence?  

 

Suppose Pence goes on the air, pulls a big "I can no longer tolerate this" speech.  Tells all that he knows.  (Which probably isn't much.  I could easily believe that Team Trump keeps him out of the loop on things.  Not only because he's not a Trump relative, but because he's a potential beneficiary of Trump dirt getting out.)  

 

But he dumps everything he can, out in public.  And not just Trump/Russia stuff, but every thing he can think of.  His work ethic.  His unwillingness to grasp issues.  His TV watching habits.  His tweets.  What he says about other staff members, behind their backs.  Just thrown everything out there in a massive Dirt Dump.  

 

If it all comes out at once, instead of a daily drip for another six months, does that overwhelm the Trump's base ability to move the goalposts quickly enough?  

 

And here's a kicker:  How about if he resigns?  

 

Doing so eliminates the "he's trying to steal Trump's job" claim.  

 

Granted, it would cost him a shot at possibly being President.  (And he's had to have been speculating about that, for months.)  But I could see the GOP arranging a golden parachute for him, if he's willing to do that, for the team.  (Maybe President Ryan would give him his old job back.)  

 

The greatest privilege of Pence's life is being Trump's VP. There is no way on Earth he considers this. 

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

40 minutes ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said:

The point is making them give a ****. 

Have you ever met a Trump supporter?

 

I wish I shared your optimism.

[twa]

Maybe they just give a **** about different things. 

 

or not

[Larry]

14 minutes ago, twa said:

Maybe they just give a **** about different things. 

 

1). Gaining power. 

 

2). Making things worse for the bottom 50% of Americans

 

3). Making things better for corporations, and the top 0.1% of Americans. 

 

4). Making things worse for the bottom 98% of Americans. 

 

(Not sure where to rank them). The NRA. Abortion. Discrimination. 

[twa]

2 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

1). Gaining power. 

 

2). Making things worse for the bottom 50% of Americans

 

3). Making things better for corporations, and the top 0.1% of Americans. 

 

4). Making things worse for the bottom 98% of Americans. 

 

(Not sure where to rank them). The NRA. Abortion. Discrimination. 

 

Suffering breeds character.

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2017 by visionary

[LadySkinsFan]

Russians have been penetrating the Republican Party for decades. 

[TheGoodBits]

10 hours ago, twa said:

 

Suffering breeds character.

 

Thats the most concise description of the GOP platform I've ever read.