HOF44 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Bang said: i want to add one. Believe in science. ~Bang Get outta here with that BS!! Next you'll be floating that round earth crappola!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 14 hours ago, Springfield said: What is the ONE thing that you believe above all else? Me personally, I believe that all US citizens should receive health care paid for by the state. Pay nothing for doctors visits, prescription medication, surgery, mental health, all that. Of course "pay nothing" means it's made up for in taxes, but I believe that we can find the money in there somewhere. Just about the only good thing Britain has right. The free National Health Service. And the Government is trying it's level best to run it into the ground with cut after cut after cut. It's heading down the privatisation road like you guys which will be a terrible state of affairs. As regards one political stance I favour above all others, it would have to be the brand of socialism I believe in that would encompass a large degree of equality for all with nobody going without. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said: The free National Health Service. The word free is probably slightly inaccurate. ? 13 minutes ago, nonniey said: There is a thread on helping us understand each other where multiple values can and should be incorporated. Doing that here would make this thread a bit redundant IMO so I recommend you all stick with the thread originators intent and put only one value. It may require some thought so I took a while to think about it and settled on the traditional number one core American value You're right....sorry. Will repost with most important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: The word free is probably slightly inaccurate. Meh, what do I pay for ..... prescriptions when I see my local Doctor if anything is needed. Anything I needed from a hospital whatever the ultimate bill is completely free. Taxes aren't extortionate to cover that. It's the local authorities taxes that bump that up. Again down to central government cuts. Made even worse now we won't be getting the millions the EU used to plough in thanks to all the absolute dimwits who voted out of the single biggest trade market in the World. But that's not for this thread. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick6 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Legalize marijuana across the board. Begin heavy research in medical benefits of cannabis. A complete reform of the American healthcare system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Equal education. If everyone had access to the highest levels of education, I think we would have health care, science instead of religion, peace, alternative energy, etc. It benefits everyone to have a more educated and intellectual neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Public education, with a heavy emphasis on civics and STEM fields. Public support for art and humanities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: ..... Been meaning to say ..... REMOVE THE PUPPY! It's just TOO cute! Even the times I disagree with you I can't get mad with you as there's these big gorgeous eyes looking back at me. Enough's enough! Quit it with the cuteness! Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said: Been meaning to say ..... REMOVE THE PUPPY! It's just TOO cute! Even the times I disagree with you I can't get mad wit you as there's these big gorgeous eyes looking back at me. Enough's enough! Quit it with the cuteness! Hail. Never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I think it comes down to education, fix education and the rest falls in line. (How Enlightenment of me I know). I'm for education that prepares youth for the reality of the world around them. Calculus and Trig...pushed while Accounting and finance all but ignored. Teach children what they're going to need to succeed in life, and that doesn't necessarily mean going to college. Even colleges today are producing excellent practicioners in various fields but few if any have any sense of what it means to take their craft and turn it into a business or money making enterprise. All schools are doing now is preparing students to be employees in someone else's company. And while there is nothing inherently wrong with that, there is not recognition that self employment and entrepreneurship is a reality for a lot of students and for many a BETTER option than employement. Keep your religion out of my school. Whether you're a Baptist, Methodist, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, or Pagan...I don't care. I most likely will not agree with what you're teaching, and I am most likely teaching my children something different. So keep your hands off the curriculum. I'd take a beating for my kids before allowing them to be subjected to a field trip to the "Creation Museum and Ark Experience". I think multiple grading scales are a crock. My daughter gets a B for doing 7th grad level math while in 6th grade while her classmate gets an A for doing 5th grade level math in the 6th grade. Seriously?! Teach concepts and reasons, teach logic and rationality, teach critical thinking and discernment. And by all means teach the arts. Oh and I don't believe the free market approach to education is the answer either. Last thing we need is to subject kids to school closings because certain profit margins aren't reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Never! Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 College has a wonderful way of making a person very skillful at one thing... and that's it. The hyper-specialization of education is something that seems to be a new-ish ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I believe where the government acts, it should be a utilitarian force seeking to bring about the greatest good for the greatest numbers. I believe this recognizing I and my family benefit more than most and would not be as well off in a government run exclusively to my ideal. Yet still I hold that view and would even if my doing so impacted my daily life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Springfield said: College has a wonderful way of making a person very skillful at one thing... and that's it. The hyper-specialization of education is something that seems to be a new-ish ideal. I wash JUST reading a book that was discussing that very thing. Hyper-specialization is awesome as long as the industry stays active, and as long as there is a union to support the workers. The moment either of those falters then the specialist is left dangling in the wind. I have a friend that owns several chiropractic offices with a number of chiropractors working under him. He's himself is a chiropractor, and he tells me all the time that the schools are doing a great job producing practicioners, but NONE of them know how to run their business. As such they are all stuck working for someone else when they could most likely do much better independently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 12 hours ago, 10 said: ... and no veteran/anyone should ever be homeless. as an aside most homeless-ness is due to some degree of mental illness, not poverty. Whether it's why they end up homeless or why they remain homeless—mental illness is a major culprit. Anyway, it would go beyond housing solutions, there needs to be a strong mental health component as well. Which should be a major part of universal healthcare coverage. 1 hour ago, HOF44 said: Get outta here with that BS!! Next you'll be floating that round earth crappola!!! Don't you mean Copernica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: I wash JUST reading a book that was discussing that very thing. Hyper-specialization is awesome as long as the industry stays active, and as long as there is a union to support the workers. The moment either of those falters then the specialist is left dangling in the wind. I have a friend that owns several chiropractic offices with a number of chiropractors working under him. He's himself is a chiropractor, and he tells me all the time that the schools are doing a great job producing practicioners, but NONE of them know how to run their business. As such they are all stuck working for someone else when they could most likely do much better independently. That makes a lot of sense to me. Of course there are business majors, they can run those student's chiropractic practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 33 minutes ago, Springfield said: That makes a lot of sense to me. Of course there are business majors, they can run those student's chiropractic practices. Univ. of Kentucky is not requiring business classes for ALL majors. Which is a huge relief since my daughter will most likely be attending there. I never thought about it much before but no matter what field a student takes they need to understand how to turn that speciality/skill into money otherwise they'll always be reliant upon someone who does. And I'm certain that employing buisness majors is a good thing, but without a solid understanding of their own business then the owners are risking their business entirely on the backs of the managers. Personel is ALWAYS important, yes, but the owner needs to understand their business too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 I was happy to learn that Fairfax county schools now require a basic accounting class to graduate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Springfield said: College has a wonderful way of making a person very skillful at one thing... and that's it. The hyper-specialization of education is something that seems to be a new-ish ideal. isn't the complaint about college usually that it does the complete opposite? show me the specific job you get from your sociology or comparative religions class...? (but i sure as hell appreciate people working for me that are capable of that critical thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Springfield said: College has a wonderful way of making a person very skillful at one thing... and that's it. The hyper-specialization of education is something that seems to be a new-ish ideal. Perhaps. College also, for many years, broadened people's horizons. Expose them to new ideas and different ways of thinking. A recent study says that only about 25% of grads work in a field related to their major. So I don't even think your assertion is right—if they were only good at one thing then they couldn't be employed in anything else. It's probably an uppity belief, but a college degree as having only a utilitarian purpose (getting someone a job) is a relatively new mindset. People not too long ago went to college to become learned. Nowadays, you have lots of graduates who have a piece of paper that says they are smarter but hardly. 1 hour ago, Springfield said: That makes a lot of sense to me. Of course there are business majors, they can run those student's chiropractic practices. They could but how many ways can you package and resell snake oil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Arent we all working to provide a better future for our children? Nope. I don't have kids and hopefully never will. I work to provide a better future for myself. 2 hours ago, Springfield said: of course then there are those of us who don't want to procreate. They don't count. ? You ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Sorry Buzz... ...not sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 "from all who can produce unto me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 People in their native state are selfish, stupid, isolated, and aggressive. Government is the product of social organization and is necessary to create and enforce taboos and compel productive cooperation for very complex societies, and thus provide us with security and economic opportunity. As our society becomes increasingly complex, our government must become increasingly complex. Put in strongest terms, for complex modern societies, government is the only way to fight on a systemic level the rampant harmful exploitation that is the product of the greed and aggression that is in our nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 my strongest political conviction is probably that the government has a role in making sure things work in a fair manner (though I often disagree with the left about what 'fair' means) and protecting us (from ourselves, and foreign issues) while not intruding into our private/personal affairs. as I get older and my personal/private life becomes more and more boring it becomes more and more tempting to be willing to give from column b if it means supporting more in column a, so i have to be more aware of that when trying to find the balance. tied to that, but worth mentioning on its own to me, is that i don't think government should be in the business of pushing certain morals on everyone else regardless of the root of those morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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