Popeman38 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 IMO, Joe Girardi is NOT a good fit for manager. I would much rather have Dave Martinez. And there is no ****ing way John Farrell can be allowed to run this team. Bryce will be gone if he is. The players wanted him gone in Boston. 1 hour ago, RichmondRedskin88 said: Watch us cheap out. They said division was not good enough. You need to back that up by showing you are serious about winning the WS. You don't have to hire a WS winning manager to make a good hire. Terry Francona had never won the WS before the Red Sox hired him. Joe Torre had never won a WS. Joe Maddon had never won a WS. They were good hires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't understand how you can pay players huge salaries but continue to lowball managers. If the Nats dont win the world series they know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, RichmondRedskin88 said: Watch us cheap out. They said division was not good enough. You need to back that up by showing you are serious about winning the WS. Well since the Lerners obviously don't believe in paying managers they better use that money on Harper. Offer him a massive extension with opt outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 They pay the players that's not the problem The problem is them not paying for proper leadership for said players. That's almost as important as the players themselves. Martinez is a "stat mind" who is seen in favor with the sabermetric geeks so there isn't as much uproar as there was when Dusty was hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, ixcuincle said: I don't understand how you can pay players huge salaries but continue to lowball managers. If the Nats dont win the world series they know why. Can you correlate world series winners with manager salaries to support your claim? Most managers are "cheap" until they win a WS. Joe Girardi signed a 2 year/$7.5M deal with Yankees when he was first named manager ($2.5M/year). After winning a WS he was re-signed to a 4 year/$16M deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Boggs speaking before he should? haven't seen any of the usual suspects on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Metalhead Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Federal Baseball mentioned Farrell was in town to interview today. So that's two interviews down. I'm not sure what to make of Boggs comment. Jumping on Martinez on day one makes me a little worried if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He probably read interview and thought it meant we already gave him the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Until Rosenthal or someone reliable reports it, it's nothing. 1 hour ago, Popeman38 said: Can you correlate world series winners with manager salaries to support your claim? Most managers are "cheap" until they win a WS. Joe Girardi signed a 2 year/$7.5M deal with Yankees when he was first named manager ($2.5M/year). After winning a WS he was re-signed to a 4 year/$16M deal. Don't make me do math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 A possible Martinez hire makes a lot of sense to me, seeing as we're a year away from a major player overhaul/youth movement. I get the vibe that he's a good fit for that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 hours ago, ixcuincle said: Don't make me do math. LOL, I don’t want you to do math. Managers don’t make more than $2-3M in a job until after they win multiple series in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Maybe Dave Martinez can be MLB's Steve Kerr and he comes in and just wins right away? We're due something lucky like that aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Warhead36 said: Maybe Dave Martinez can be MLB's Steve Kerr and he comes in and just wins right away? We're due something lucky like that aren't we? He’s been interviewing for manager jobs for years and kept getting passed over. We’ll see I guess but I’m not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 We need some guy who knows next-gen analytics. None of these old guys are willing to listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skinswillwin06 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 They aren't even going to call Joe. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, skinswillwin06 said: They aren't even going to call Joe. Wow. I think he's taking the year off. He just sounded like a guy who needed a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 the league has an unofficial "no new news" during the world series i'm cool with Martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ixcuincle Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 You want a championship you go after Joe. Period. There is no disputing this. Martinez isn't bad at all though. I am more than willing to see what he has to offer. Of course, this franchise has hired bench coaches and assistant coaches before with little success. The most successful was Matt Williams, who flamed out in the postseason and later failed miserably as he lost the clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 12 hours ago, ixcuincle said: You want a championship you go after Joe. Period. There is no disputing this. Martinez isn't bad at all though. I am more than willing to see what he has to offer. Of course, this franchise has hired bench coaches and assistant coaches before with little success. The most successful was Matt Williams, who flamed out in the postseason and later failed miserably as he lost the clubhouse. There is disputing this. Just because you win a WS in one city doesn’t make you the best candidate in another city. Girardi has a hard time with big personalities. He had issues in the locker room with the Yankees. The Nats have Bryce Harper and, I’m assuming, wish to re-sign him at some point. I don’t think Girardi is the best option to coexist with Harper. And yes, you need to consider that when hiring a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I am more than a little convinced Rizzo and Girardi butt heads. More than ever the Front Office and Manager need to be in lock-step with each other. GMs now are in the locker room more than ever. And a side note, I love when fans declare absolutes like "there's no disputing this!" Of course there is, because we have no idea what's really going on. Especially with the Nats. They do give the media ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Not sure how many rookie managers won the WS in their first stint. Is Martinez really going to be the factor that takes the Nationals over the top, especially when the most recent failure was not blamed on Dusty Baker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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