Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

[tshile]

44 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

And now that he knows it worked once, I have no doubt that between now and next year, he’s going to do his best to fire daily bazookas into the flimsy social fabric that holds this country together.

 

Thats all these “immigration raids” are

 

every time he does this his base gets the warm and fuzzies

 

his opponents get distracted and waste time, money, and political capital on it

 

but then nothing actually happens so there’s really no result to measure and hold him to

 

come election time his base will at least be able to say “hah he made life difficult for them” and be happy about it. 

 

 

Im expecting more of that sort of thing for the next year. 

[Bozo the kKklown]

1 hour ago, No Excuses said:

twa is kind of like the loony bin punching bag around here, but every now and then you get to see the really vile stuff people like him engage in, which has real world consequences and makes you utterly sad about the state of this country.

I don't know why people engage him. He is a radicalized old man whose sources of information is from extreme right-wing websites and blogs. He isn't that much different from VeryOldSchool (RIP) except that he uses emojis the wrong way. People like that need to be ostracized, shunned, and put to the side. Instead, people here engage them like their opinions are worth something and have equal footing. There are a few posters on here like that. I have no issues with having a conversation with people who do not have the same political view because you can tell they aren't radicalized nutters. But there are some posters on here that are radicalized and completely off the grid and their views are somehow deemed worthy of discussion, like @TWA. 

 

8 minutes ago, Busch1724 said:

Man Trump's tweets this morning are something else. All the sudden he's worried about a foul mouth? Also interesting to see his current spin on the comments from Sunday morning. 

He is the Joker. Sadly establishment Dems have no idea how to engage him. What we saw yesterday from those women is how you do it. We won't be seeing that again from anyone else.

[tshile]

1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

He is the Joker. Sadly establishment Dems have no idea how to engage him. What we saw yesterday from those women is how you do it. We won't be seeing that again from anyone else.

I don’t know

 

he seems to thrive when people respond to him (much like an internet troll)

 

im inclined to say it’s not the best way but I honestly don’t know anymore 

[Busch1724]

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

 

Granted from VOX, but linked sources in the following passage:

•  
• 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interviewthat “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

 

Not sure if it was posted around here or not before. Just something I saw this morning. 

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

3 minutes ago, tshile said:

I don’t know

 

he seems to thrive when people respond to him (much like an internet troll)

 

im inclined to say it’s not the best way but I honestly don’t know anymore 

He thrives when you are in the mud and people can't see who is who.

 

Its different when you can clearly articulate your message and be above it but still talk your isht as we saw yesterday.

 

Dems think you have to get in the mud and fight and have no message, so you get people who do nothing.

[Skin'emAlive]

15 hours ago, thegreaterbuzzette said:

I stand behind my opinion that no matter how bad of a choice Trump is (I didn't vote for him) that had HRC been elected there'd be just as much (be it different) anger and badness in the world. 

 

I see your opinion on this subject is moot then.

 

Hilary Clinton was not a great candidate, nor did she run a great campaign. However she was at the bare minimum, more than qualified. She lost the election due to a myriad of things, including gerrymandered districts, Russian troll farms, Russian voting booths, disappearing voter-rolls, vote suppression, and a media that was so focused on making money off the spectacle that was Donald Trump, that it spent 90% of the race doing nothing but ignoring policy and focusing on the next stupid thing he says or does while trying to give his word some sort of validity. They thought he had no chance to win, and so decided to profit off it all; completely ignoring the moves being made behind the curtain. There is no one person at fault here. There were alot of elements at play. But lets get back to this ridiculous comment.

 

You are telling me that with Clinton as president we would have:

 

1. nominated an AG that had sued the EPA 14 separate times to become the leading EPA chief

2. nominated a billionaire heiress who has spent much of her career siding with corporations over students, educators, and and student loan borrowers to the Secretary of Education

3. nominated a brain surgeon with no experience whatsoever in housing to the secretary of housing

4. bailed out of a nuclear deal with Iran that took decades to achieve.

5. lost billions within 2 years on tarriffs

6. invited neo-nazi facist groups into the whitehouse

7. created concentration camps at our borders

8. partnered with every dictator at the table

9. ignored and almost praised the torture and murder of an American citizen by a foreign regime

10. praised a dictatorship for killing its own people to have control.

11. had more than 20 different sexual assault and rape accusations thrown at her

12. made hundreds of millions by spending 50% of his time on his own golf courses

13. removed sanctions on Russia and North Korea

14. attempted to build a wall with russian steel along the border for a non-existent threat

15. single handedly destroyed the soy market

16. sided with foreign countries over our own FBI, CIA, and Allied Intelligence agencies.

17. Held secret meetings with foreign dictators without representation.

18. Pardoned convicted war criminals

19. Authorized illegal raids on immigrant families with intentions to throw them into concentration camps

20. Praised neo-nazi voilence against peaceful protestors

etc.

 

The fact that you could stand here and proudly state how you think that somehow the world would be just as bad with Hilary is incredulous.

[No Excuses]

27 minutes ago, tshile said:

Im expecting more of that sort of thing for the next year. 

 

I think the rhetoric and maybe even policies will intensify in their cruelty between now and Election Day. 

 

Trump’s biggest achievement is pulling the Overton window so far to the crazy extremes, that even sensible people are left arguing with each other (happens on this message board daily). 

 

The social stability of the country is being raced towards the edge of the cliff and the brakes failed a long time ago. Even if he loses in 2020, I sometimes wonder what state he will leave the country in. His 2020 campaign is going to push the ideological window of the right into a very dark place. 

[Skin'emAlive]

12 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

If proof of the pedophilia exists, why hasn't it come out yet?    

 

If you had the greatest leverage in the world over the most powerful man in the world, would you leak it or use that leverage to repeatedly get everything you want?

 

Such as:

1. Removing Sanctions on russian oligarchs

2. increasing the export of Russian made asbestos

3. increasing the production of russian controlled coal mines

4. destroying allied ties with an end goal of removing NATO

5. removing sanctions on Huawei

6. getting the west to ignore the genocide in West China

7. getting the west to ignore the soft takeover of a democratic country in Hong Kong

etc.

 

Did we somehow forget that the Steel Dosier was proven largely accurate to this point?

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

19 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

Hilary Clinton was not a great candidate, nor did she run a great campaign. However she was at the bare minimum, more than qualified. She lost the election due to a myriad of things, including gerrymandered districts, Russian troll farms, Russian voting booths, disappearing voter-rolls, vote suppression, and a media that was so focused on making money off the spectacle that was Donald Trump, that it spent 90% of the race doing nothing but ignoring policy and focusing on the next stupid thing he says or does while trying to give his word some sort of validity. They thought he had no chance to win, and so decided to profit off it all; completely ignoring the moves being made behind the curtain. There is no one person at fault here. There were alot of elements at play. But lets get back to this ridiculous comment.

It’s intellectual dishonesty.

[Skin'emAlive]

22 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 

Is there actually good proof out that this is true?  I thought all we knew so far was that Trump lied about knowing the dude.

 

 

(FTR Trump probably is, I just want to make sure I didn't miss something.)

 

Once upon a time having over 20 verified accusations, with witnesses that could corroborate the events of rape and sexual assault would be grounds for a prison sentence. Wait.. is that only if you are brown?

 

Maybe just take a look at the Epstein thread for the video testimonial of the 13 year old he raped, beat, and threatened. Or perhaps we should ignore the word of a girl who with $300 to her name decided to try and risk her life against one of the most powerful men in the world with multiple ties to the mob before being ultimately silenced. Maybe we should ignore the death threats against the 5 kids in NY. Or the rape of his ex wife. Maybe we should ignore the Trump Modeling Agency. No child molester would ever set up an underage modeling ring on a world wide scale. That would just be too obvious.

 

 

[tshile]

22 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

 

I think the rhetoric and maybe even policies will intensify in their cruelty between now and Election Day. 

 

 

On cue with the new asylum policy where you have to apply in the first country closest to you, and be denied, to apply here. 

 

(I actually like that policy and think it should work that way, but I don’t like the way they’re rolling it out and I can imagine why they’re doing it and I don’t like that either)

26 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

Hilary Clinton was not a great candidate, nor did she run a great campaign. However she was at the bare minimum, more than qualified. She lost the election due to a myriad of things, including gerrymandered districts, Russian troll farms, Russian voting booths, disappearing voter-rolls, vote suppression, and a media that was so focused on making money off the spectacle that was Donald Trump, that it spent 90% of the race doing nothing but ignoring policy and focusing on the next stupid thing he says or does while trying to give his word some sort of validity

 

Noting that as usual Clinton, her supporters, her campaign staff and the decisions made are no where on the list of faults in a post mortem done by any of the dem supporters.

 

usually this type of person is doomed to make the and mistakes. 

 

I dont know of it applies this time. Too early to tell. 

 

 

[twa]

About the responses I expected , carry on. 

[Hersh]

13 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

On cue with the new asylum policy where you have to apply in the first country closest to you, and be denied, to apply here. 

 

(I actually like that policy and think it should work that way, but I don’t like the way they’re rolling it out and I can imagine why they’re doing it and I don’t like that either)

 

Noting that as usual Clinton, her supporters, her campaign staff and the decisions made are no where on the list of faults in a post mortem done by any of the dem supporters.

 

usually this type of person is doomed to make the and mistakes. 

 

I dont know of it applies this time. Too early to tell. 

 

 

 

This is factually wrong. Most Dems blame campaign strategy 

[Skin'emAlive]

22 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

Noting that as usual Clinton, her supporters, her campaign staff and the decisions made are no where on the list of faults in a post mortem done by any of the dem supporters.

 

For the life of me I cant figure you out. At times you seem to be quite knowledgeable on any given subject. Then you sit and grab the most minuscule element of posts and decide to dig in while completely ignoring the post itself. Its almost as if you are posturing just to save face. You cant outright say you support trump. I am not sure which way you lean, but at the bare minimum you parade around here with suppressed exuberance at any failure of the democratic party, which is largely why we are where we are right now.

 

This isnt a sport, and every decision made from these people affect our lives now and decades from now. Why didnt you just point out something more substantial, like my opinion of removing the extremist propaganda organization, Fox News? That would have been easier.

[tshile]

28 minutes ago, Skin'emAlive said:

. I am not sure which way you lean,

Me either. I’m not trying to be cute. I like many of the dem nominees for their smarts and their desire to solve problems. I just don’t like their solutions

 

the gop is a disease in my eyes at the moment. 

[Riggo-toni]

30 minutes ago, twa said:

About the responses I expected , carry on. 

[TheGreatBuzz]

1 hour ago, Skin'emAlive said:

 

I see your opinion on this subject is moot then.

 

Hilary Clinton was not a great candidate, nor did she run a great campaign. However she was at the bare minimum, more than qualified. She lost the election due to a myriad of things, including gerrymandered districts, Russian troll farms, Russian voting booths, disappearing voter-rolls, vote suppression, and a media that was so focused on making money off the spectacle that was Donald Trump, that it spent 90% of the race doing nothing but ignoring policy and focusing on the next stupid thing he says or does while trying to give his word some sort of validity. They thought he had no chance to win, and so decided to profit off it all; completely ignoring the moves being made behind the curtain. There is no one person at fault here. There were alot of elements at play. But lets get back to this ridiculous comment.

 

 

 

She can explain her post but here is my thoughts.

 

There would be just as much anger, if not more, going around if Hillary had won.  I doesn't seem like you are disputing that part so let's move on to badness.  You listed a whole mess of things that Trump and the GOP have done.  I'm not disputing any of them.  And I think we both agree that they are all horrible.  But how do you measure "badness"?  And she did note that it would be a different kind of badness.  In a Hillary world, what would be going on?  NK would most likely be pushing everyones button more than they are now.  China seems like they haven't been nearly as much of a pain in the ass.  Same for Russia except they would have the person they don't want in the WH so they'd be angry.  Now we can point out the almost guaranteed corrupt **** that Trump is doing that keeps them happy.  But they have at least quieted down.  Now this is bad for it's own reasons.   But that is what she said.  Same level of issues, just different issues.

[thegreaterbuzzette]

1 hour ago, Skin'emAlive said:

 

I see your opinion on this subject is moot then.

 

Hilary Clinton was not a great candidate, nor did she run a great campaign. However she was at the bare minimum, more than qualified. She lost the election due to a myriad of things, including gerrymandered districts, Russian troll farms, Russian voting booths, disappearing voter-rolls, vote suppression, and a media that was so focused on making money off the spectacle that was Donald Trump, that it spent 90% of the race doing nothing but ignoring policy and focusing on the next stupid thing he says or does while trying to give his word some sort of validity. They thought he had no chance to win, and so decided to profit off it all; completely ignoring the moves being made behind the curtain. There is no one person at fault here. There were alot of elements at play. But lets get back to this ridiculous comment.

 

You are telling me that with Clinton as president we would have:

 

1. nominated an AG that had sued the EPA 14 separate times to become the leading EPA chief

2. nominated a billionaire heiress who has spent much of her career siding with corporations over students, educators, and and student loan borrowers to the Secretary of Education

3. nominated a brain surgeon with no experience whatsoever in housing to the secretary of housing

4. bailed out of a nuclear deal with Iran that took decades to achieve.

5. lost billions within 2 years on tarriffs

6. invited neo-nazi facist groups into the whitehouse

7. created concentration camps at our borders

8. partnered with every dictator at the table

9. ignored and almost praised the torture and murder of an American citizen by a foreign regime

10. praised a dictatorship for killing its own people to have control.

11. had more than 20 different sexual assault and rape accusations thrown at her

12. made hundreds of millions by spending 50% of his time on his own golf courses

13. removed sanctions on Russia and North Korea

14. attempted to build a wall with russian steel along the border for a non-existent threat

15. single handedly destroyed the soy market

16. sided with foreign countries over our own FBI, CIA, and Allied Intelligence agencies.

17. Held secret meetings with foreign dictators without representation.

18. Pardoned convicted war criminals

19. Authorized illegal raids on immigrant families with intentions to throw them into concentration camps

20. Praised neo-nazi voilence against peaceful protestors

etc.

 

The fact that you could stand here and proudly state how you think that somehow the world would be just as bad with Hilary is incredulous.

 

8 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 

She can explain her post but here is my thoughts.

 

There would be just as much anger, if not more, going around if Hillary had won.  I doesn't seem like you are disputing that part so let's move on to badness.  You listed a whole mess of things that Trump and the GOP have done.  I'm not disputing any of them.  And I think we both agree that they are all horrible.  But how do you measure "badness"?  And she did note that it would be a different kind of badness.  In a Hillary world, what would be going on?  NK would most likely be pushing everyones button more than they are now.  China seems like they haven't been nearly as much of a pain in the ass.  Same for Russia except they would have the person they don't want in the WH so they'd be angry.  Now we can point out the almost guaranteed corrupt **** that Trump is doing that keeps them happy.  But they have at least quieted down.  Now this is bad for it's own reasons.   But that is what she said.  Same level of issues, just different issues.

 

 

And that's why I married you. Not gonna lie...my 1st thought was "here we go, hes gonna try to man-splain". But you nailed it. That is exactly what I meant.

 

I hate trump. I want him gone. Everyday he is in power it worries me to the core. But I 100% believe (read : my opinion) that our country would be just as divided and international relations likely just as volatile under Hillary.

 

I think they were both epically bad candidates that were force fed to the American Voting public due to corruption in politics. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

The “Hillary was a historically bad candidate” rhetoric is a defense mechanism wherein the ego won’t let one accept that you spent 2 decades of your life getting your synapses scrambled by low-grade, bottom of the barrel right wing propaganda and paranoia.

 

But you’ve made it through and you’re here now...and that’s all that matters.  Good on ya!

[No Excuses]

23 minutes ago, thegreaterbuzzette said:

our country would be just as divided and international relations likely just as volatile under Hillary.

 

Divided yes, but the international relations part is pure nonsense. Hillary wasn't going to punt decades of our NATO alliance and our relationship with liberal democracies around the world in favor of cozying up to dictators. Almost the entire rationale behind Russia backing Trump was they expected (rightly) Trump to weaken America's position around the globe. And he has done exactly that.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

15 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

Divided yes, but the international relations part is pure nonsense.

This

[thegreaterbuzzette]

12 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

The “Hillary was a historically bad candidate” rhetoric is a defense mechanism wherein the ego won’t let one accept that you spent 2 decades of your life getting your synapses scrambled by low-grade, bottom of the barrel right wing propaganda and paranoia.

 

But you’ve made it through and you’re here now...and that’s all that matters.  Good on ya!

Was this aimed at me? I actually did tons of research on HRC starting back as 1st lady. If I raided my old school stash I could probably track down my research paper on "Why Hillary Clinton Should and Will Be Our 1st Female President". 

 

However, I do not agree with many of her State policies and action. I do believe she would of led us into US Military mass casualties (not necessarily war) but I do not support her Situation Room decisions. I also think almost every foreign power Trump is lovers with she would have extremely volatile relations with. Neither is better/worse.

 

I dont think anyone truly thought Trumps presidency would be THIS bad.....so who knows what Hillary's would have been.

In the end, doesnt matter - she lost.

 

10 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

Divided yes, but the international relations part is pure nonsense. Hillary wasn't going to punt decades of our NATO alliance and our relationship with liberal democracies around the world in favor of cozying up to dictators. Almost the entire rationale behind Russia backing Trump was they expected (rightly) for Trump to weaken America's position around the globe. And he has done exactly that.

Hence why I said NOT in the same way. N. Korea still testing missiles and not agreeing to compromise......and they are in love. What you think they would do if Hillary was running the show?

[No Excuses]

Also, probably the worst policy decision of the Trump admin, which has been to run massive deficits during a period of economic growth is by far the most destructive long-term thing this administration has done. The resulting chaos and bad consequences of this won't be apparent for quite some time, but this would have never happened in a Hillary presidency either.

[Skin'emAlive]

39 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

There would be just as much anger, if not more, going around if Hillary had won.  I doesn't seem like you are disputing that part so let's move on to badness.  You listed a whole mess of things that Trump and the GOP have done.  I'm not disputing any of them.  And I think we both agree that they are all horrible.  But how do you measure "badness"?  And she did note that it would be a different kind of badness.  In a Hillary world, what would be going on?  NK would most likely be pushing everyones button more than they are now.  China seems like they haven't been nearly as much of a pain in the ass.  Same for Russia except they would have the person they don't want in the WH so they'd be angry.  Now we can point out the almost guaranteed corrupt **** that Trump is doing that keeps them happy.  But they have at least quieted down.  Now this is bad for it's own reasons.   But that is what she said.  Same level of issues, just different issues.

 

 

1. I very much am disputing that part. That is a quantitative measurement based on a lack of perspective and a bit of cognitive dissonance. Badness isnt a measurement. But just as much anger is a relative measurement, and that is wrong for the endless list of reasons that I dont feel like regurgitating. If you cant see the cause and effect of the list of actions I created which are but a small fraction of what has really been going on and changed, then no one can help clear this up other than some honest self reflection.

 

2. NK will NEVER give up Nukes. Nor should they. It is the ultimate defense to a foreign power. You would have to be oblivious to believe they will give up this power and just as ill informed to believe giving them up is the right move. Where are South Africa, Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan now? You have a Nuke, you get a seat at the table. You dont? You bow before me. The sanctions were working. not only should they have been continued, they should be increased as North Korea CONTINUES to implement a hacking initiative to our utilities and businesses!

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/technology/north-korea-hackers-trump.html

 

Quote

 

SAN FRANCISCO

March 3, 2019

— North Korean hackers who have targeted American and European businesses for 18 months kept up their attacks last week even as President Trump was meeting with North Korea’s leader in Hanoi.

The attacks, which include efforts to hack into banks, utilities and oil and gas companies, began in 2017, according to researchers at the cybersecurity company McAfee, a time when tensions between North Korea and the United States were flaring. But even though both sides have toned down their fiery threats and begun nuclear disarmament talks, the attacks persist.

 

 

3.  China is currently committing mass ethnic genocide on a scale far larger than our border camps! They are making billions by putting Uyghur and Xinjiang Chinese in camps, and harvesting their organs while alive to sell on the black market.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/06/18/china-killing-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-tribunal-finds/#2de1328553d4

 

Quote

 

Central to the tribunal's findings were estimates of the actual number of transplants taking place—far higher than official statistics, implausibly short waiting times and first-hand testimony from former detainees. Some of the organ extractions were said to have been conducted on live victims who were killed during their procedures.

 

 

The final judgment confirmed an interim statement from late last year that "the tribunal’s members are certain—unanimously, and sure beyond a reasonable doubt—that in China forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience has been practiced for a substantial period of time involving a very substantial number of victims." Separate reports have suggested the market for such organs in China to be worth billions of dollars.

 

 

As if they were not done, they also tried to push State-Hacked Huawei telecom systems on the US market that have a direct back channel back to the CHinese Goverment.

 

Oh wait... also they attempted a Coup d'état of Hong Kong just a month ago...

 

4. They wouldnt do **** because we would still have a strong country, economy, allies, NATO, military, Nukes, leadership, etc..

 

Everything you just posted is beyond misinformed. Its feigning intelligence on the subject of world policy.

[Bozo the kKklown]

Unless you think HillDawg was going to create a humanitarian crisis at the border, back out of treaties and trade agreements, cavort with dictators, and piss of our allies then I don’t think it’s possible for her to do as badly and trump on foreign policy. Unless you want to be intellectually dishonest, which is your prerogative.

 

 

And I think she had terrible foreign policy ideas because I don’t support the concept of an American empire. But at least I know she wouldn’t go on twitter threatening to nuke North Korea.