MEANDWARF Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 No, simply, No!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 IMO, it would be MUCH better to have a $4 million FS and a $3 million RT than a $9 million FS alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U C S D SkinsFan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 We have two young and talented guys in Phillip Thomas and Biccari Rambo. I don't understand why no one is patient enough to allow talent to develop on this defensive secondary. Â What have you seen from 6th round pick Rambo to give you any confidence he'll get better. Â All I've seen is really poor tackling and not the best coverage. Â As far as Thomas, who knows...he's missing his rookie year with a serious foot injury. Â Who knows how long it'll take to recover and when he'll be 100%. Â We can't rely on either of these guys for a few years AT LEAST, if ever. Â We are going to need a safety ASAP! Â I hope Byrd doesn't get traded and hits the FA market next year, he's the perfect ball hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think we should keep our ears perked to gauge how other teams are responding to the asking price. Somebody could throw a second or third round pick in for him if they have an extra pick in those rounds, but if that doesn't happen the Bills are suddenly on their backs. It would be a mistake to get involved in the first wave of offers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Can we throw in Haz as well? No can do. Apparently Hazlett has been spending the bye week in Dallas offering advice to both teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 No team will offer more than a 4th rounder for him. Last year of his deal, injured and being paid a lot for this season. The main hiccup will be how much the Bills are willing to cover on his remaining salary this year. This week's earlier deals of Levi Brown and Monroe were able to be made because those teams (Cards and Jags) agreed to take-on significant money to make the deal.  So, if the Bills are willing to cover most of his contract and take a 5th or 6th rounder in the process, the Skins should jump all over it. It would be a rental, but also an opportunity to see what he has to offer. Who knows, maybe this is a guy that had targeted for free agency this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Trade Fred Davis. Tell Byrd we expect him to take a 'prove it' 1 year contract then we'll do right by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Trade Fred Davis. Tell Byrd we expect him to take a 'prove it' 1 year contract then we'll do right by him. See, I'd do Fred and Brian. Probably only way we'd be able to get under cap. Byrd is making near 9 mil whereas Fred's only at 2.5 and Brian is at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Laughable to trade Orakpo for Byrd. You guys are willing to trade a home grown product and a proven productive player in Orakpo for a player we know nothing about, aside from some of his on field accomplishments. This will not happen.  I understand we have extreme talent issues on the back end, but trading Orakpo is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuposse87 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 We have two young and talented guys in Phillip Thomas and Biccari Rambo. I don't understand why no one is patient enough to allow talent to develop on this defensive secondary.  one guy is hurt and the other guys flat out sucks. Can they get better? maybe. There is no reason to be optimistic with regards to any of their futures though. Especially Rambo. Dude is hot garbage so far. If you can get something better for reasonable value you go for it. Problem is that trades for Byrd are pipe dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If this is true I would hope Bruce Allen is doing his due diligence. I have no reason to believe he's not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Trading Rak for Byrd is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaLazarou Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Freddy D for Kiko Alonso. Only in Madden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Trading Rak for Byrd is crazy.Why? Brian Orakpo is a 27 year old two time pro bowler that needs a new contract. Jarius Byrd is a 26 year old 2 time pro bowler 2 time all pro that needs a new contract. Byrd has plantar fasciitis which is a pain to be rid of and Rak has torn his pectoral muscle twice in two seasons and missed 14 games last season. What's the crazy part? I think it all comes down to how much Orakpo is asking for. If its reasonable then I can see keeping him, but if he's asking for elite defensive player money.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 He's a free agent at the end of the season. Why not keep our picks and simply sign him in the off season? We need to spend our drafts on offensive tackles and a replacement for Orakpo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Here we go again. Â Another 'thing' to fix the defense huh? Â Â Distraction from the real problem. Â Find someone who has a full understanding of how to scheme vs obvious passing situations. Â Find someone who isn't simply hoping for sacks and turnovers. Â Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'd trade Orakpo for him in a heartbeat. Probably would be win-win for both teams. Â Agreed. I'd trade a little bit of extra DL pressure for some legit coverage. Â Save the picks. We're going to need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 As I understand it he has plantar fasciitis injuries on both feet. You don't see that everyday. Someone needs to introduce him to custom orthotics and advise that he stop buying discount cleats. The good news is that treatment and rest typically clear that injury up completely. Stress on rest, there is no way around simply waiting for it to heal. If they fix this footwear issue and he learns to stretch properly it should be recurring. This could be a situation where the skins consider trading Orakpo if they don't think resigning him will be something they want to pay. Both guys are going to need a new contract and the skins might have a greater need in the secondary right now with Rob Jackson coming back. I'm not an Orakpo hater but getting a probowl defensive back is big time value. Espn says he's 26. Your right he is 26 - I had read he was 28 somewhere but that was incorrect. That does make him more attractive - it would depend though on the trade price and the contract he wants long term. I think he will be too expensive to be realistic on both counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Like I said, we need to do due diligence. I've seen him in action, and he's a VERY, VERY good football player. He'd be perfect for our scheme and the things we want to do. But, he's not worth handicapping an opportunity to upgrade other important positions on the roster. Â Bruce Allen should feel it out. Â And I wouldn't necessarily put Orakpo on the table... (The Bills likely wouldn't want him anyways with Manny Lawson, Jerry Hughes and Mario Williams as their OLBs. Williams is costing them a TON of money.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Your right he is 26 - I had read he was 28 somewhere but that was incorrect. That does make him more attractive - it would depend though on the trade price and the contract he wants long term. I think he will be too expensive to be realistic on both counts.  I would think you'd offer him an incentive based deal. Prove your health and worth this year, and we;ll take care of you.  The potential stumbling block for me is the asking price. I really wouldn't want to go higher than a 5th. He's worth a LOT higher fully fit. But the ball should be in the buying teams court given his health and it being a known fact that the Bills are not going to extend him and are looking to ship him before he walks for free.  If we're interested, we need to play hard ball.  Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 He hasn't played yet.  He's got a foot injury.  And he wants a big contract.  I'm not sure that it's worth the headache.  And the roster spot for this year.  He's better than anyone in the secondary on our team last year, this year, and next year... I raise the board's offering of a 4th rounder... to a 3rd rounder with a two-year extension on his contract. We NEED him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConcordNCSkinsFan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 So how do ths Skins fit Byrd and his 6M contract for this year under the cap? Give me a break. Propose some realistic ways for this Defense to get better instead of this Fantasy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Byrd is a stud, but been injured this season. Honestly, Id rather wait until the offseason when he a FA. He has no value right now and the Bills know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Kane Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Bryd may help, but our opponents are running wide open all over the field. The team needs to make tackles, while playing more man coverages. Adding him wouldnt change much around here because the scheme doesn't seem to fit the personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The Bill fans at work are telling me that the Bills are talking to the Redskins about trading for Pat White. Would you trade him straight up for a Pro Bowl Safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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