tshile Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 53 minutes ago, PCS said: I'm thinking for the debate moderators,it would have been a good idea to have them try to moderate a game day thread here for practice. Good experience for anything Trump's involved in. or any thread made within 36 hours of the game ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Specifically those dealing with Kirk or Joe Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just to remind myself of the good times, I went back and watched debates between Obama/McCain and Obama/Romney this morning. Good discussions, not full of BS. Tonight is the death of American political discourse and of facts in general. Newt Gingrich and truthiness won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, No Excuses said: Tonight is the death of American political discourse and of facts in general. Newt Gingrich and truthiness won. If the worst thing for our country (politically speaking) is for Trump to win, the second worse thing is for him to lose in any way other than a complete blowout. It'll just serve to encourage this type of bull**** in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, tshile said: If the worst thing for our country (politically speaking) is for Trump to win, the second worse thing is for him to lose in any way other than a complete blowout. It'll just serve to encourage this type of bull**** in the near future. I don't think it matters whether he wins or loses. Trumpism isn't going away. It's here to stay. This just came across on my twitter feed. Oh goody, there is literally a partisan divide on fact checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ* Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Been at the gym on the bike. This thing has a TV set to foxnews. 20 minutes of how Hillary is trying to rig the debate by pressuring the moderator and the press to fact check Donald's statements. Forget the moderator. When it comes to Trump and Hillary we need the debate in Running Man style... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aREDSKIN Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, Predicto said: This is NOT true. I have explained this 50 times on this board. It is utter nonsense. Of course you have and anything you claim is the absolute unvarnished truth. This type of political attack is a well know tactic. Often a campaign will use outside organizations, such as lobby groups, to launch attacks. These can be claimed to be coming from a neutral source and if the allegations turn out not to be true the attacking candidate will not be damaged if the links cannot be proven. Negative campaigning can be conducted by proxy. For instance, highly partisan ads were placed in the 2004 U.S. presidential election by allegedly independent bodies like MoveOn.org and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan T. Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Thanks for the Wiki lesson on negative campaigning, aRedskin. Donald Trump jumped feet first into the birther issue long after it was dead. So he is either an ignorant ****ing moron or a cynical, amoral opportunist. (I vote both.) Further, his statements during his whole birther escapade were demonstrably false. So he gave us an early indication of what a bald-faced liar he is to boot. So **** him, and **** anybody who would defend his despicable slandering of the President of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Dan T. said: Thanks for the Wiki lesson on negative campaigning, aRedskin. Donald Trump jumped feet first into the birther issue long after it was dead. So he is either an ignorant ****ing moron or a cynical amoral opportunist. Further, his statements during his whole birther issue were demonstrably false. So he gave us an early indication of what a liar he is to boot. So **** him, and **** anybody who would defend his despicable slandering of the President of the United States. aREDSKIN is projecting. He was one of the people pushing birtherism. A proud member of the basket of deplorables, maybe having second doubts about being a part of that group? Who knows. But it's clearly projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 @aREDSKIN of course negative campaiging exists. But that doesn't mean that negative campaigning is the explanation for every single thing that ever happens. The birther lie started on the far right FreeRepublic website. It spread to conservative blogs. Then a low level Hillary volunteer named Phil Berg started repeating it. He is a nutter who believes in every conspiracy theory, and he had just switched his allegiance from Ron Paul to Hillary. He filed a lawsuit and it took off from there. The Clinton campaign did not start it and they did not fan the flames. And after a while, birtherism died down - until Donald Trump jumped aboard with both feet and kept it alive for 5 more years. Trying to pin this one on Hillary is a ridiculous example of false equivalency. I have the facts, and you quite literally have no idea what you are talking about, but you just called me a liar. You are a microcosm of what the internet is doing to our culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 But I like blaming things on Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 So Steve King is racist. Not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Steve King is racist? Say it ain't so. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/steve-king-history-racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Been at the gym on the bike. This thing has a TV set to foxnews. 20 minutes of how Hillary is trying to rig the debate by pressuring the moderator and the press to fact check Donald's statements. But don't worry. The press hasn't been fact checking Trump, the whole campaign. It's really unlikely that they'll start, today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Oh yeah, forgot about that. Wasn't even that long ago. So he's both remarkably ignorant and racist. He is why an education in humanities is important. Smart and well educated people can be shockingly stupid about race too. But not usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 at the Huff Post..."Show Up & No Dick Jokes" On Morning Joe, someone said if Trump comes out with his fly zipped...SUCCESS! I think they've fact-checked, but nobody has cared. He's going to make it all great again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Busch1724 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 This whole fact checking thing from the other day is mind numbing. Obviously the Trump camp knows they have a credibility issue going into this campaign and have started this controversy leading into it. It's kind of like Phil Jackson going to the officials during a press conference, "Hey Michael isn't getting any fouls called on him. The defenders are basically molesting him." The next game, wow calls in their favor. So this whole thing makes me sick that it is so easy to rally the base behind something so silly, and yet they've (alt-right) fallen for the bait and made it an issue. Tonight is going to be a s$%t show from the start and be a sad commentary on our society as a whole. In fact this whole election process has been. The most sane person in the mix, Gary Johnson, has proven to be a bit of a whackadoodle the last couple weeks. Both have credibility issues, but the press never really actually fact checks him on the nightly news. I wonder if they're afraid of being painted even more liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 49 minutes ago, Dan T. said: Thanks for the Wiki lesson on negative campaigning, aRedskin. Donald Trump jumped feet first into the birther issue long after it was dead. So he is either an ignorant ****ing moron or a cynical, amoral opportunist. (I vote both.) Further, his statements during his whole birther escapade were demonstrably false. So he gave us an early indication of what a bald-faced liar he is to boot. So **** him, and **** anybody who would defend his despicable slandering of the President of the United States. But don't you understand? If the entire Republican Party spends four years running in circles, laughing maniacally, while clutching birtherism to their chests, they cannot be blamed for it, if they can find one Democrat, somewhere, who mentioned it once. It's a well known fact. Well, a conservative fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Busch1724 said: This whole fact checking thing from the other day is mind numbing. Obviously the Trump camp knows they have a credibility issue going into this campaign and have started this controversy leading into it. It's kind of like Phil Jackson going to the officials during a press conference, "Hey Michael isn't getting any fouls called on him. The defenders are basically molesting him." The next game, wow calls in their favor. So this whole thing makes me sick that it is so easy to rally the base behind something so silly, and yet they've (alt-right) fallen for the bait and made it an issue. Tonight is going to be a s$%t show from the start and be a sad commentary on our society as a whole. In fact this whole election process has been. The most sane person in the mix, Gary Johnson, has proven to be a bit of a whackadoodle the last couple weeks. Both have credibility issues, but the press never really actually fact checks him on the nightly news. I wonder if they're afraid of being painted even more liberal. I ain't worried. Hillary Clinton will fact-check the **** out of him real time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I admit, I'm looking forward to watching tonight. Still clutching to the hope that our political system isn't turning into a giant reality TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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