Going Commando Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 And no, Klay was not close to Draymond in win shares either. http://bkref.com/tiny/cP21f Klay also made All NBA 3rd Team and the AS game and Draymond didn't. I think it's clear Klay was the second star for that team and that it's a major stretch to argue that he's the role player and not Draymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Since when do all star votes matter again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Thompson wasn't voted into the game by fans, he was selected as a reserve by the coaches. He was a legit All Star. I'm finding it interesting that you think Klay is a role player. He's a star and meets the standard of obviousness that was proposed by Mr Sinister. Wall and Davis are absolutely stars and not role players too, I'm only letting that slide because neither have been on good teams before. Thompson is overruled though. If you would like to appeal this outcome, you need to petition the highest judge in the land and get Skip Bayless to give you a ruling on whether or not Klay is a role player or star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'd say Klay is 2A and Draymond is 2B. Which means.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Wait, you get to pick the year of the player, not just the overall strength of the player? Â Ok, I'll take Wilt in 1961. Â The team only won 49 games, but he went for 50 points and 25 rebs. Â Thompson wasn't voted into the game by fans, he was selected as a reserve by the coaches. He was a legit All Star.I'm finding it interesting that you think Klay is a role player. He's a star and meets the standard of obviousness that was proposed by Mr Sinister. Wall and Davis are absolutely stars and not role players too, I'm only letting that slide because neither have been on good teams before. Thompson is overruled though. If you would like to appeal this outcome, you need to petition the highest judge in the land and get Skip Bayless to give you a ruling on whether or not Klay is a role player or star. Â Â I never said Klay was a role player. Â You said that Draymond is a role player. Â Both are stars, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 You ignore me and I'll ignore you. Â Comparing Bird with Kevin Love is as ignorant as saying the 2008 Magic were the greatest team ever assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 PG - Rod Strickland SG - Oskar Schmidt SF - LBJ PF - German Hops C - Sabonis Gimme 25 year old Agent Zero off the bench when I need to go small and shake **** up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Clever. I should have made a rule that ABA and international seasons don't count. Too hard to figure out how production in those leagues translates to the NBA. Bobby Jones goes from being a world beater in the ABA to a sixth man and a role player in the NBA. Clearly there was a difference in the level of competition just before the merger. But even if you ignore international seasons, Sabonis works based off his NBA seasons. The point of this was to examine who the best role players in NBA history were. Glue guys who you need for championships. Every self respecting NBA fan knows about the greats and can build a great All Time team from the top 15 or so players. But it takes some thought and appreciation for the difficulty of team building if you limit yourself to having to settle for role players in most of your rotation spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) Clever. I should have made a rule that ABA and international seasons don't count. Too hard to figure out how production in those leagues translates to the NBA. Bobby Jones goes from being a world beater in the ABA to a sixth man and a role player in the NBA. Clearly there was a difference in the level of competition just before the merger. But even if you ignore international seasons, Sabonis works based off his NBA seasons.The point of this was to examine who the best role players in NBA history were. Glue guys who you need for championships. Every self respecting NBA fan knows about the greats and can build a great All Time team from the top 15 or so players. But it takes some thought and appreciation for the difficulty of team building if you limit yourself to having to settle for role players in most of your rotation spots.Don't get bogged down on the rules you didn't make. Just appreciate how mega-sweet my team is. You'd love to watch this crew mix it up against damn near anybody.Hell, I'd give my pinky toe just to watch these guys practice one time. Edited July 21, 2016 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Recency bias in this thread for sure. Lebron is probably the most athletic nba player ive ever seen (he can do nearly everything as well as anyone else in the league), and similarly to mj, I don't think he has an equal in the nba. But we can start the lebron > mj talk when he gets a comparable amount of rings. Being super talented doesn't mean a lot when the guy you are comparing him with ALWAYS got it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I never said Klay was a role player either but he would be s role player on my team and was the 3rd best player on the Warriors the past 2 seasons. However, if you wish to continue this David Stern/Chris Paul trade/fear induced/takeover nix, i will think of a new 2 guard. Good day cheaters! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 This is a legit question. Also, there was no greater winner than Jordan. He might not have the same skill set as someone who is as freakishly athletic as Lebron, but that dude could will his team to win no matter the circumstances. If there's a game that is a must win and I could choose anybody to lead that team, it's Jordan, hands down. That's no slight to anybody else because let's face it, we're talking about the best of the best here. Jordan > Lebron Bill Russell won 11 titlesHe a greater winner. With modern rules that allow zone defense and doubles, I think it would be easier to make life difficult for bigs than it would be to do anything about a 250 pound Lebron marauding around the court with MJ as his preferred option. This isn't to say that a standard role player front court would be able to come close to stopping Wilt and Russell, but you could harass them and force them to pass it more more easily than you could do the same to Lebron and MJ..I disagreeThe rules today favor a dominant big who can pass out of a double and is athletic. Russell and Wilt would have been great in this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Bill Russell won 11 titles He a greater winner.   You missed the Bill Russell discussion. Get out of here with that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Horry won 7, and I believe was 7-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The rules today favor a dominant big who can pass out of a double and is athletic. Russell and Wilt would have been great in this era. Â It is hard to agree with this based on the results actually on the court. Â Who is the athletic big man that can pass that is dominating? Â Clearly, being a good shooter is a number on feature of any successful big man in the league today. Â (Realistically, somebody like Durant likely would have been a C in the era that Wilt and Russell played.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 You only get your players during their best actual seasons rather than being forced to speculate on what they could become. So if you pick KAT, you get KAT the rookie. If you pick other guys, you get them in their prime. With those other four around him, I stand by my pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Comparing Bird with Kevin Love is as ignorant as saying the 2008 Magic were the greatest team ever assembled. 2010 Magic #DreamTeam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 2010 Magic #DreamTeam This! They should have been 75-7 if not for shady officiating. Should have gone undefeated in the playoffs also but Stern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 But we can start the lebron > mj talk when he gets a comparable amount of rings. This invariably the problem we run into when anyone dare say that someone did something better than Jordan. People process it as "omg so ur saying he's better than jordan?!?!? omgomg 6 rings" Which is why I detest when his name is ever brought up in here. But it is inevitable. Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Hopefully it's hitting home for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Horry won 7, and I believe was 7-0.  Exactly. Let's also add in Sam Jones (10 rings) and John Havlicek (8 rings) to the discussion of GOAT since obviously greatness is based on rings. Oh, and how could I forget the great SATCH SANDERS and his 8 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Horry won 7, and I believe was 7-0. I thought about picking him. It was down to him, Dale Ellis, and Bruce Bowen for my SF spot. I went with Ellis because I thought he was a little better. Better shooter and I didn't have any shooters. But in retrospect, I probably should have gone with Horry because I needed someone who can get PF minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 This invariably the problem we run into when anyone dare say that someone did something better than Jordan. People process it as "omg so ur saying he's better than jordan?!?!? omgomg 6 rings" Which is why I detest when his name is ever brought up in here. But it is inevitable. Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Nobody is saying that Lebron is better than Jordan Hopefully it's hitting home for everyone. Â I'm saying Lebron is better than Jordan. Â Â Â ...just sayin' Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) I'm saying Lebron is better than Jordan. ...just sayin' Heretic! Edited July 21, 2016 by Mr. Sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) I'm expanding the game and revising the rules to fix exploits and make it more difficult and realistic. The Ultimate Arm Chair GM All-Time Team Summer ****post Game. Section I: Roster Construction 1.1 - Arm Chair GMs must build an 8 man rotation to consist of one franchise player plus one second star plus six role players. 1.2 - ABA and International stats/awards/honors/achievements don't count. Only the players NBA accomplishments may be considered. Section II: Qualifications for selecting players For the Franchise Player: 2.1 - If you pick Jordan or Kareem, your team shall be considered lame. For the Second Star: 2.2 - Must not have won MVP. 2.3 - Must not be on the 50 greatest list. For the Role Players: 2.4 - Must have been drafted before 2014. 2.5 - Must be considered by a general standard of obviousness to have been an actual role player and not a star 2.5.1 - Further defining that standard: can not have made the HoF for their NBA playing career 2.5.2 - Must not have been selected to more than two All NBA teams (excluding All Defense and Rookie teams) or two All Star Teams 2.5.3 - Must not have been one of the two stars on a 50+ win team with a two star construction 2.5.4 - Must not have been one of the three stars on a 50+ win team with a three star construction 2.5.4.1 - If they were, then you have to successfully make the case that the team was actually either a one star or two star team (depending on whether they were the second or third best player). 2.5.5 - Win Shares may be a satisfactory standard for arguing that a player was/wasn't one of the stars of a good team, UNLESS the player passes the standard of obviousness as a role player described in 2.4. 2.5.6 - Must not have ever finished top 5 in MVP voting. Section III: Procedures to Settle Disputes 3.1 - All disputes on player classification status may be put to a thread referendum, to which the Honorable SteveMcQueen1 Esq. may defer if a majority is established. 3.2 - However, if an unruly populist wave tries to shoehorn lunacy like Klay Thompson being defined as a role player through the referendum, Chief Justice SteveMcQueen1 shall be obliged to overrule the results. 3.3 - To appeal a ruling from the circuit court, one must petition the highest court in the land for a take on the player's status: tweet your question to Skip Bayless or Stephen A. Smith. Edited July 21, 2016 by stevemcqueen1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) I will say that he is better. Edited July 21, 2016 by Kosher Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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