The Evil Genius Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So is the answer then that this is an acceptable outcome that comes with the freedom to own guns? And that nothing can be done to prevent future mass shootings? Pardon me if I don't find that acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County1883 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 This comment is so non-sequitur to his point about American culture and society that it would be laughable if it weren't so sad. @Fanboy91 - His comment about "its in our veins" is laughable mate. You want to be ashamed of these laws not "proud" that you can have a gun. Whoopy doo! It seems like the PRO gun brigade are the same fanatics who get scared by FOX news regards the "socialist" medicine that is called the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Well, this is true but let us know when one of these mass killings ends prematurely because of this imaginary hero. They won't and that was kind of the whole point since guns are *already banned in school zones*; the crazies obviously don't care about such bans and laws, it only means that there is zero chance at all for a lawful person to save lives with a legally carried and judiciously employed firearm in such a situation. It won't happen because we keep hamstringing the lawful in response to the lawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Why would me seeing a gun or holding one, change my mind. LOLIt is my countries thoughtfulness to realise that having guns available for use does not work in a modern civilized society. I don't feel like i am missing out mate, don't worry about that! Well of course. You've never held one or shot one, why the **** else would anyone have a use for it? After all, you're the one that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 A few decades ago very few bridges had those special cages installed. A few idiots started throwing heavy things off bridges, and all that changed. It really sucks how even one-in-a-million psychopaths can screw things up for everybody, but they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 They won't and that was kind of the whole point since guns are *already banned in school zones*; the crazies obviously don't care about such bans and laws, it only means that there is zero chance at all for a lawful person to save lives with a legally carried and judiciously employed firearm in such a situation. It won't happen because we keep hamstringing the lawful in response to the lawless. Because mass shootings only happens in school and not say Malls or the Movie theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 No it wasnt!The American continent was founded by the ancestors of native Americans during the Ice Age.... Your comment would be laughable if it wasn't so sad Don't tell that to Christopher Columbus and his jolly band of rapists and murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armstrong001 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 So, if 8,500 people were murdered in the US last year and everyone concedes that SOME of those happened with legally obtained guns, do we all agree that restricting or banning legally obtained guns would make our country safer?Is there a way to quantify how many homes were protected by a gun owner vs. how many lives were taken by a legally obtained gun? No I do not agree. Define "safer". Might less people be murdered with firearms? Perhaps. Might more people be assaulted, sexually assaulted, burglarized, robbed, or just killed with other weapons? According to this site , there are between 800,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year. I will agree to not even bother to look at the high end of that scale, and accept the lowest number, 800,000. That means that 94 times as many defensive uses occur each year vs. homicides. There was one significantly lower result in a study from 1993, which stated there were 108,000 defensive gun uses annually. That still means it is 13 times more likely that a person will defend themselves with a gun than murder someone. The FBI report for 2011 shows 201 firearms related justifiable homicides by non-police, and 390 justifiable homicides by police. Their statistics don't go into legally obtained vs. illegally obtained guns. However, this table shows that 1,816 murders were comitted while in the act of another felony, and a further 673 were due to gang killings. I would tend to believe that the majority of these killings were committed with illegally obtained firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Fanboy91His comment about "its in our veins" is laughable mate. You want to be ashamed of these laws not "proud" that you can have a gun. Whoopy doo! Not ashamed of the right to keep and bear arms, it did good work during the Revolutionary War. It still does good work in the lives of ordinary Americans to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armstrong001 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I know this. And this adds to the ridiculousness of the argument that someone with a legally purchased gun could've realistically, prematurely ended these tragedies. The argument is that "gun free zones" don't stop people like this scum from doing what he did today. The only people who are dissuaded from bringing a gun to school grounds are those who can be most trusted, those who follow the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County1883 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Not ashamed of the right to keep and bear arms, it did good work during the Revolutionary War. I give in. You win. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Because mass shootings only happens in school and not say Malls or the Movie theater. Of course they happen in malls and movies theaters. And in each instance a responsible, legally carrying gun owner could have saved lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County1883 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Don't tell that to Christopher Columbus and his jolly band of rapists and murderers. LOL. I did say the CONTINENT of America and NOT the United States as a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Nobody is ever shot in places where guns are banned? Wow. You know what I mean, smart guy. Name another developed nation that had the frequency of mass murders, gun related that we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Walton Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I don't think bans work but we can certainly make it much more difficult to obtain. Sick people are seeing this as 'the way' to go. I don't know how this gets stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @Fanboy91 - His comment about "its in our veins" is laughable mate. You want to be ashamed of these laws not "proud" that you can have a gun. Whoopy doo!It seems like the PRO gun brigade are the same fanatics who get scared by FOX news regards the "socialist" medicine that is called the NHS. Did I say I was proud of it? As I've said, I don't own a gun and I never plan on owning one. I hate the fact that our society is so gun crazy, but that's just what it is. It's part of our DNA as Americans, whether we want to admit it or not. I'm not advocating gun ownership (though I see its merits), I'm simply stating that we are a people that own and cherish firearms. Do I like it? Absolutely not, but that's reality and we can't just turn a blind eye to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 There are bazillions of guns in America and they are not going anywhere. The cat is out of the bag. What's plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Of course they happen in malls and movies theaters. And in each instance a responsible, legally carrying gun owner could have saved lives. Yet it never happened, so obvious waiting on the Punisher to save day isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twofoot Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Of course they happen in malls and movies theaters. And in each instance a responsible, legally carrying gun owner could have saved lives. Said gun owner could have also misfired and killed an innocent bystander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Should we ban guns. No. Stricter laws, yes. There is no need to ban guns in the country. I'm a liberal myself, but we need to enforce some stricter rules in this country, because what we have now is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 There are bazillion of guns in America and they are not going anywhere. The cat is out of the bag. What's plan B? Better mental health screening and treatment, giving the FBI the resources to update the NICS database used in background checks (I've heard it has a multiyear backlog). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Said gun owner could have also misfired and killed an innocent bystander. Closest we seen is when the police try to chase down someone in NYC and manage to shoot 8 bystanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County1883 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Did I say I was proud of it? As I've said, I don't own a gun and I never plan on owning one. I hate the fact that our society is so gun crazy, but that's just what it is. It's part of our DNA as Americans, whether we want to admit it or not. I'm not advocating gun ownership (though I see its merits), I'm simply stating that we are a people that own and cherish firearms. Do I like it? Absolutely not, but that's reality and we can't just turn a blind eye to reality. Ok, i take that back apologies. I misconstrued your comment as if you were proud of the fact. (forum debates are black and white and sometimes misunderstood) Apologies again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 You know what I mean, smart guy. Name another developed nation that had the frequency of mass murders, gun related that we do? Mass murders specifically, I don't know, but FWIW here's the top 20 in general firearm deaths per 100k: El Salvador 50.36 Jamaica 47.44 Honduras 46.70 Guatemala 38.52 Swaziland 37.16 Colombia 28.11 Brazil 19.01 Panama 12.92 Mexico 11.14 Philippines 9.46 South Africa 9.41 United States 9.00 Montenegro 8.55 Paraguay 7.35 Nicaragua 7.14 Switzerland 6.4 Argentina 5.65 Canada 4.78 Zimbabwe 4.75 Serbia 3.90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Said gun owner could have also misfired and killed an innocent bystander. Especially if their accuracy isn't tested once or twice every few months like it is for police officers, or if they aren't trained to handle situations like this. Only in Hollywood would everyone be saved and the shooter killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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