Oldfan Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I like the wide-nine concept. Essentially, the edge rushers take a wider split on passing downs and in a sprinter's stance. It makes the tackle's job a nightmare. Phillip Daniels, who never had the reputation of an edge rusher had four sacks in one game against the Cowboys in 2005. He explained that he was relieved of his run-first responsibilities and allowed to take a wider split. The negative is that it puts more pressure on a linebacker to stop the run in the wider gap. So, we would need the linebackers who could handle that. The advantage is that you can get pressure with what amounts to a three man rush. The third man would shove the center back into the pocket so that the QB is throwing from a phone booth even if the rush doesn't get to him. The edge rusher doesn't always aim at the QB, he aims at the ball, so he's involved in stopping the run game too, but in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I would have all CB's playing bump. And blitz 2 LB's every down. I would rather hit the QB every play than sit back in the stupid zone we like to play and let them pick us apart. I would also try and put Kerrigan @ DE on passing downs. Try and get him some 1-1. Have him at DE and Jackson as the OLB and send both from the same side. If the decide to double Kerrigan with LT and LG, Jackson should have 1-1 with the RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneva Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If I were the defensive coordinator, I'd manufacture my ass out the front door and drive as far away from Ashburn as I could get...and not because of Sandy.The cook sucks, the groceries are spoiled, and all the non-perishable food items in the cupboard are expired. No recipe can be made with the ingredients available. Seriously, they've tried everything. That's an indicator that it's personnel coupled with piss poor coaching and scheme. If you held a gun to my head and asked me to answer....I'd say pull the trigger I think you said it all. However, we need to blitz on all passing downs if we want to win this game. Carolina is loimited to what their QB can do. Stop Cam an you stop Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Plain and simple machine guns! Thats the only way I can see this defense having something called a nasty attitude. Besides last weeks dropsies, our offense now has that attitude it needed, that it can score or come back from any points behind, as they did against the Bengals. Now if our defense would quit making excuses about injuries and just grow a set, come out with confidence and lay a helmet to everyone who dares to carry that football or even gets in their way of getting to the QB. That is what this defense has to do, or they will be embarrassed the rest of this year as well as a few unemployed next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Pressure has been bad this year. However, Sunday was more about coverage than pressure. I'd like to have someone with access to the film put a stop watch on the majority of Ben's throws. He was getting rid of the ball extremely quickly. You're right. The steelers game plan was a quick passing game avoiding our front seven. WR screens to the outside with blocking, TEs faking like they were blocking then running out to the flat forcing Kerrigan to react a second too late (that was two touchdowns right there). Most of the big plays came on missed tackles, because for the most part, the steelers where just chipping away at us one play after another. Another thing I noticed was the constant look for getting London to cover a TE. They were targeting him. He was also missing tackles just like everybody else. Our gameplan was to keep them in front of us and for the most part we did that. But if we missed one tackle, that was an extra 15-20 yards for them. Dropped passes and missed tackles cost us this game. They never stopped our running game, our drives kept stalling from all the dropped passes. Steelers have a lot of talent to matchup with us with we play one-on-one defense. They have a very good QB, a beastly trio of WRs, and a very underrated TE. The fact they dominated us on time of possession but still didn't break 30 points makes more sense when you re-watch the game. As for creating more pressure, I've seen us send everybody a couple times post-Orakpo and still not get to the QB. The secondary isn't good enough to help with coverage sacks. I'm okay with staying home as long as we improve out tackling. DHall also showed his lack of speed dealing with Sanders and Brown, and its true he is having a terrible time covering people. I would rather us keep guys in front of us and tackle people then go back to leaving our inferior secondary out on islands again. It is what it is this season, imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Invent a magic potion to get Orakpo healthy and back on the field. Hail. That's the ticket. Until he's back, I know Kerrigan is out there by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think the premis is correct - The only way we can fixx this defense is to almost go all in on the pass rush and stop trying to cover problems in the secondary by extra bodies and add more to the strength (front 7) A guy like Big Ben it makes no difference because he will punish you either way - he has a decent release and the Steelers have made adjustments to compensate for their line issues earlier in the year . - But we were dropping 7 or 8 into coverage every single passing play . That is never going to work - we have a weak secondary and we give the opposining QBs about a month to plan their next vacation and what they are going to do on wednesday night and ponder about if they left the oven on before throwing - But comming to the Panthers they have a big armed strong running QB but the line has been an issue for some time so I would be as creative as possible in the stunting and pass rush as NLC has sugested . Get inventive with Kerrigan - maybe put some more 4 man fronts in with either Kerrigan or Jackson at end with Kerigan behind and overload one edge - or stunt him up the middle as we were begining to do with them at the back end of last season (Kerigan and Orakpo) - just something that is more creative . Also we could try simply simplifying things . If we pare down the defense on first and second downs - work on simple disciplined defense with all of the front 7 and secondary working as one . That should force more third and long situations and then the creativity comes as a deliberate change ... If we can cut down on the time the QBs have and force the occasional errant throw then the issues in the secondary will not go away but they will not be the glaring problem we have right now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Get in the Delorean and go back 2 years and prevent Shanny from moving to a 3-4... then, hold onto Carlos Rogers (get him glasses), hold onto LL. This team doesnt have the necessary personnel to run a defense. Let alone the 3-4. Its pretty obvious that the 3-4 needs specialized players who excel in their assignments and its obvious that there are not enough of these specialists in the league to run more than a few 3-4's that will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmuss1 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Create pressure by blitzing, and quit playing coverage. It ain't working! I'd rather see us be aggressive and get burned, then watch an offense methodically go down the field. At least with the blitz there is a chance you might get there, who cares if the offense burns you, quick scores will give our O time to catch up. Watching teams chew up 7 minute drives then score is worse than quick scores against an aggressive D. I truly don't believe in this philosophy, but at this point, why not??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paloffs Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I understand our defense has given up a lot of big plays this year. I understand that, as a result, they've given up a ridiculous amount of points, yards, and game clock. However, this isn't all on Haslett. Let's look at what he's been given this year: *The defense is plagued with injuries. Orakpo, Carriker, and Meriweather have left holes in our defense. Jackson has done an admirable job replacing Orakpo, but isn't near the pass rusher Orakpo is. Jenkins (seems to play tentatively because of his prior injury), Wilson (concussion), and Fletcher (dizziness) seemed to have lost a step from their injuries. That's SIX potential starters lost or affected by injuries. *Our offense puts our defense on the field quickly and often. That's a good and bad thing for our offense. We have a lot of 20+ yard plays. Occasionally, we get good field position because our defense causes turnovers. We've done a good job of securing the ball... well prior to the Giants game. However we're too unsuccessful on 3rd downs. We have one of the worst success rates in the league. That, combined with the special teams' aches, gives the other team good field position. *I don't feel as though Jackson's loss is as bad as Meriweather's, because I think Doughty fills in for Jackson a lot better than Williams does for Meriweather. So let's talk about some underachievers. -Williams has been horrible. Earlier in the year, he caused necessary penalties (hitting a defenseless player, late hits) at the worst of times - allowing drives to stay alive or to move the opposing team that much closer to the endzone. He's late on almost every play, which brings up him allowing receivers to run by him on a regular basis. Williams, in my opinion, is by far the worst player on defense. By far... -Riley is completely underwhelming. I thought this was his break out year. Last year, he tackled with authority. He would blow up running backs. This year, he's getting juked by a quarterback that runs slower than his nickname indicates. Where is he on tackles? Where is he on 3rd and short? Perry is nonexistent and I'm disappointed. -The line gets a pass because it's torn up. The CBs get a pass because of the lack of a pass rush and the over the top safety "help". I'm not happy with our defense... but I think a lot of it is out of Haslett's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I don't think we can. Our front 7 minus Orakpo is hopeless without blitzing. And our secondary is hopeless if we blitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4d_POWER Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Let RGIII play on D, he can blitz from the corner every down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
returnofthefunbunch Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's all about mixing things up. We need to try to confuse offenses. Big Ben knew what we were going to do before the play began. Eli and his receivers knew what we were going to do. When you have the personnel, you can get away with that. When you don't you need to out coach the other team. Haz is making big bucks. He IS NOT earning them. If he can't come up with some schemes to effectively use our personnel, then find someone who can. I would agree that Williams, Riley, Hall, and even Fletcher have disappointed. Look at the offensive side of the ball. All would agree that we don't have a great o-line, but the scheme helps to protect their inabilities. All would agree that Logan Paulson is not a pro-bowler, but he has been a beast the last two weeks. Let's mix it up coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I say we shake things up a bit. Keep our normal 3 linemen. Move Kerrigan to the end, fingers in the dirt, rushing every play but mixing up his sides to keep offense off. Mix that in with stunts on the line. Keep Riley and Fletcher in with a nickel corner. The nickel corner is Hall. Griffin on the outside with Wilson. Riley plays outside of Fletcher so he will most likely take an TEs that release. Fletcher in the middle for run support and taking RBs out of the flat. We have our best tackling corner playing inside for run support too and I think with the 4th down linemen we will continue to be stout against the run but will be able to get a lot more pressure in this look even utilizing Hall on some zone blitzes and sending Riley or Fletcher. Then I would keep the corners on the LOS and tell them to molest the WR every play until they get past 5 yards. Actually I am not sure how much that would shake things up or if it would work or not but I'd give it a shot. Coldn't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm going to say this again... I haven't said it in this thread but I've probably said it over 100 times on this forum: Without Orakpo, we have no rush. Kerrigan is a good football player. Very good, even. But Orakpo IS our best defensive player when it comes to generating pressure. He doesn't get a TON of sacks, but he pushes the pocket and forces teams to worry about him. All those times we say "HE WAS HELD!" and its not called? Guess what? the booth coaches from the opposing teams see that too and they get a little on the nervous side when it comes to his rush. Teams make SURE that Rak is blocked. Which allows a talented pass rusher, such as Kerrigan, an opportunity to get through. Now teams have two problems. We block Rak, we get Kerrigan. We block Kerrigan, we get Rak. That forces teams into mistakes or poor plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'd say that sans RGIII and Trent, our current talent level on offense is roughly the same as our talent level on defense. Here's the difference: Offense: Coached by a HOF offensive mind who built Super Bowl winning offenses with 2 different teams, and got a team quarterbacked by Jake Plummer to an AFC Title game, and a boy wonder who put together top 5 offenses in Houston at the age of 30ish and is now successfully melding the WCO and the Briles Air Raid. Defense: Coached by a guy who needed the Steelers defense to put together respectable defensive rankings. It's coaching people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkekoa Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I would play high risk football on defense but keep the safeties back. I would bring pressure from all areas and play tight man coverage (some zone occasionally to mix it up). We also have to have more stunts. All of this could lead to people being out of position but it could also lead to some offensive confusion. The biggest thing...we have to make tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Haz, did you start this thread looking for ideas I think it's worth it to blitz. The safeties are the issue, not the corners. I think the team would be in far worse shape without D-Hall and Wilson. If they aren't resigned the skins will be in trouble trying to find replacements especially with all the other holes. So, blitz early and often to get pressure on the QB and get him thinking about it the rest of the game. Seriously it can't be any worse. Put pressure on your players to make plays. I think with a better rush the corners and safeties won't get burned nearly as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm going to say this again... I haven't said it in this thread but I've probably said it over 100 times on this forum:Without Orakpo, we have no rush. Kerrigan is a good football player. Very good, even. But Orakpo IS our best defensive player when it comes to generating pressure. He doesn't get a TON of sacks, but he pushes the pocket and forces teams to worry about him. All those times we say "HE WAS HELD!" and its not called? Guess what? the booth coaches from the opposing teams see that too and they get a little on the nervous side when it comes to his rush. Teams make SURE that Rak is blocked. Which allows a talented pass rusher, such as Kerrigan, an opportunity to get through. Now teams have two problems. We block Rak, we get Kerrigan. We block Kerrigan, we get Rak. That forces teams into mistakes or poor plays. There you go with that whole "logic" thing again. Orakpo is clearly the most overrated overrated linebacker to ever be overrated by overrating overraters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 As we all watched last year, a safety blitz or corner blitz would fly in at the QB; the QB takes one step forward and the blitzer is out of the play. That used to burn my ass for so long, but now I just laugh, and cry. Its useless to blitz when you have your CBs playing 10 yds away from the LOS. The CBs are not aggressive, its almost a half-assed hand sticking out WHEN they play the line, which WRs simply swat away. If they're gonna play the line, then HIT the receivers, let em know you're gonna be there all day. A read-and-react secondary is almost like a prevent-defense, which seems to be the style being played lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If we blitz we give up huge plays. If we play coverage we get dinked and dunked which turn into huge plays (20+ yards). Especially against teams with either an average+ tight end and/or speedy WRs. Pick your poison. red or Blue pill? either way our talent stinks. Our team speed stinks. Especially in the secondary. There's no solution that doesnt expose this group for what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 The negative is that it puts more pressure on a linebacker to stop the run in the wider gap. So, we would need the linebackers who could handle that. I have a lot of faith in London and Riley, so going wide-nine might not be a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 When James Harrison goes down, the Steelers move Lawrence Timmons to OLB. Could Kerrigan play ILB? He's our only playmaker in the front 7 right now, but he's too easy to run away from or double team right now. And Fletcher is terrible at the moment. Aside from that, I got nothing. I'm more of a "you need good players to win" guy than a "we can scheme our way out of this" guy. ---------- Post added October-30th-2012 at 11:27 AM ---------- I have a lot of faith in London and Riley, so going wide-nine might not be a bad idea. Have you watched London this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempre_victrix Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 You're the D-Coordinator: How do we manufacture a pass rush? Sneak 13 guys onto the field from time to time. Other than that, I got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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