Obamacare...(new title): GOP DEATH PLAN: Don-Ryan's Express

[bearrock]

So pass a law levying a one cent penalty for ignoring the individual mandate.  Problem solved.  If GOP or Trump blocks the attempt to pass such a law, then hammer them as unwilling to defend the preexisting condition coverage, which has a 75% approval rating.  It pretty much guarantees a landslide victory in 2020.

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2019 by visionary

[visionary]

 

[Elessar78]

GOP has a SCOTUS challenge to ACA lined up. Fed judge in Tx ruled it unconstitutional based on the fact that the individual mandate was deleted. So now the rest of ACA can’t stand without it. 

[visionary]

 

9 hours ago, Elessar78 said:

GOP has a SCOTUS challenge to ACA lined up. Fed judge in Tx ruled it unconstitutional based on the fact that the individual mandate was deleted. So now the rest of ACA can’t stand without it. 

If the Supreme Court rules against the ACA...does that mean any future health care plans by the Democrats are DOA until the court is changed (assuming they are even able to win the presidency and/or the Senate and hold the House)?

Edited March 26, 2019 by visionary

[PleaseBlitz]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/26/trump-administration-just-handed-democrats-their-best-issue/?utm_term=.23abed57bbaf

 

The Trump administration just handed Democrats their best 2020 issue

 

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When you’re the opposition party, much of what the administration does will make you angry, even horrified, but you often struggle to make the public share your outrage. Yet every once in a while, the administration will do something so obviously awful that you can only see it as a political gift.

 

That’s what the Trump administration just decided to do:

 

In a significant shift, the Justice Department now says that it backs a full invalidation of the Affordable Care Act, the signature Obama-era health law.

 

It presented its position in a legal filing Monday with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit in New Orleans, where an appeal is pending in a case challenging the measure’s constitutionality. A federal judge in Texas ruled in December that the law’s individual mandate “can no longer be sustained as an exercise of Congress’s tax power” and further found that the remaining portions of the law are void. He based his judgment on changes to the nation’s tax laws made by congressional Republicans in 2017. [...]

 

If the Justice Department’s position prevails, it would potentially eliminate health care for millions of people and cause disruption across the U.S. health-care system — from removing no-charge preventive services for older Americans on Medicare to voiding the expansion of Medicaid in most states. A court victory would fulfill Republican promises to undo a prized domestic accomplishment of the previous administration but leave no substitute in place.

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And what would that fallout be? Never in our history has the health-care system undergone an upheaval such as what the Trump administration and other Republicans are seeking. It would be an absolute catastrophe for tens of millions of Americans.

 

The expansion of Medicaid would be rolled back, snatching coverage away from millions of Americans. So would the subsidies that millions more receive to afford coverage. Protections for preexisting conditions? Gone. Insurers would once again be able to deny you coverage if you’ve ever been sick or had an accident. Young people allowed to stay on their parents’ plans until age 26? Not anymore. Women could once again be charged more for insurance than men. Yearly and lifetime caps on coverage would come back, as would the Medicare prescription drug “donut hole.” Rural hospitals would be starved of funding and would close.

 

That covers just a portion of what the ACA does. There are dozens of other provisions that in the years since the law was passed have profoundly altered the shape of the American health care system. To just chuck it out the window would be an instant cataclysm. As the ordinarily measured Nicholas Bagley puts it, “The notion that you could gut the entire ACA and not wreak havoc on the lives of millions of people is insane.”

 

Just a couple of important numbers: As a recent Urban Institute analysis concluded, eliminating the ACA would cause 19.9 million Americans to lose their health coverage. The Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that 52 million Americans, or more than a quarter of all non-elderly adults, have a preexisting condition that could shut them out of health coverage were the ACA not in place.

 

The rest of the article provides a theory on why Trump is doing this, which can be summarized as "he doesn't care about people and his advisors are all terrible people because non-terrible people won't work for Trump."

[NoCalMike]

Yeah if the GOP want to make Healthcare the front & center issue for 2020? The Democrats first & foremost should say.............Thanks!

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

But she'd vote for him again....right?

[Bonez3]

Getting rid of the individual mandate was taking out one of the legs of the ACA. The remaining major provisions being expanded Medicaid and pre-existing condition coverage.

 

The fact that this administration openly went after the pre-existing condition provision is unfathomable to me. But hell, go after the whole damn thing, why not.

[DCSaints_fan]

15 hours ago, Elessar78 said:

GOP has a SCOTUS challenge to ACA lined up. Fed judge in Tx ruled it unconstitutional based on the fact that the individual mandate was deleted. So now the rest of ACA can’t stand without it. 

 

But the SC already ruled it Constitutional back in 2012.

 

True, one justice has been flipped from (kind sorta) liberal to conservative (Kavanaugh for Kennedy), but I don't think Kavanaugh overturns it.  I could also see Gorsuch making an exception and siding with the liberal wing.   Both of them also happened to clerk for Kennedy. 

 

If they do overturn it, its a serious blow the respectability of the SC.  I"m not sure there's a single case of the SC blatantly reversing itself in the course of 7 years.

[Captain Wiggles]

Susan Collins plans to write a letter to Barr expressing her disappointment. That'll learn em. 😆

[Elessar78]

37 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

But the SC already ruled it Constitutional back in 2012.

 

True, one justice has been flipped from (kind sorta) liberal to conservative (Kavanaugh for Kennedy), but I don't think Kavanaugh overturns it.  I could also see Gorsuch making an exception and siding with the liberal wing.   Both of them also happened to clerk for Kennedy. 

 

If they do overturn it, its a serious blow the respectability of the SC.  I"m not sure there's a single case of the SC blatantly reversing itself in the course of 7 years.

So as I understand it Jistice Roberts said the individual mandate was a tax which allowed the govt to require it for everyone without employer coverage. I think Trump got rid of indiv mandate

[88Comrade2000]

White House Obamacare reversal made over Cabinet objections

 

>>The Trump administration’s surprising move to invalidate Obamacare on Monday came despite the opposition of two key cabinet secretaries: Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and Attorney General Bill Barr....<<<

 

Bill Barrr isn't long for AG. He did what he was required to do.

[twa]

10 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

But the SC already ruled it Constitutional back in 2012.

 

And if the basis they used for that ruling changed then it is instead a open question.

[No Excuses]

10 years after its passage, the Republicans still do not have a policy alternative to ACA despite championing it’s repeal. 

 

It took 10 years for the American voter base to punish them for this at the polls. 

 

I really wonder when the larger public will catch onto the GOP and “conservatives” absolute lack of policy ideas and desire to good for the country. Besides racism and tax cuts, they offer nothing on:

 

1. Health care

2. Infrastructute

3. Climate change

4. Housing affordability

5. College affordability and the student loan crisis 

 

You know real issues facing the nation rather than a dumb wall and tax cuts for corporations. 

[PleaseBlitz]

It is a policy alternative for your policy to be "**** those things, less taxes for the ultrawealthy."

[Larry]

22 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

10 years after its passage, the Republicans still do not have a policy alternative to ACA despite championing it’s repeal. 

 

Not quite true.  They did almost pass a proposal.  

 

I remember at least part of it was 

 

1)  Replace the existing law, which basically said "insurance companies must offer insurance to people with pre-existing conditions with the same price, and the same coverage, as people without them", with "Insurance companies must offer insurance to people with pre-existing conditions insurance, but they're allowed to charge them as much as they want, and/or just not cover whatever condition it is."  

 

2)  And loudly yell that "Our plan protects people with pre-existing conditions, just like the voters say they want."  

 

 

[TheDoyler23]

32 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

I really wonder when the larger public will catch onto the GOP and “conservatives” absolute lack of policy ideas and desire to good for the country. Besides racism and tax cuts, they offer nothing on:

 

1. Health care

2. Infrastructute

3. Climate change

4. Housing affordability

5. College affordability and the student loan crisis 

 

1. Don't get sick. If you do, go ahead and die quickly. 

2. We fly over those bridges on out tax-deductible jets. 

3. Hoax. China. 

4. Make more money, duh.

5. Learn to use a welding torch. But don't ask us to pay for your knee replacement later or unionize you socialist. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Larry]

Deleted.  OT.  

 

Edited March 27, 2019 by Larry

[88Comrade2000]

I guess I should go grave shopping. My health is such that I will soon require regular treatment, just to stay alive.

 

If I stop posting, then you know I am just one of Trump's death statistics.

 

I think Trump and the gop, won't survive people literally dying because they lost their healthcare. The party of healthcare indeed.

[NoCalMike]

This would be a wonderful time for Trump to flip the script on *everyone* and approach the health care issue the way he campaigned on it. 

[LadySkinsFan]

[HOF44]

The should call it Wealthcare. GOP protecting your Billions in 2020.  

[Cooked Crack]

 

[visionary]