The Evil Genius Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Again. Trump thinks that health care costs (or should cost) somewhere between $12-15 a month. Is he confusing health insurance with life insurance? Or is he that out of touch with costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 5:40 PM, visionary said: Nothing like representative government. **** these ****ing ****s. ~Bang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: Again. Trump thinks that health care costs (or should cost) somewhere between $12-15 a month. Is he confusing health insurance with life insurance? Or is he that out of touch with costs? Trump believes it's 12$ a year! 3 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Sure. It's a good thing that only Democrats dumb statements get taken out of context. I can't really find where this is out of context. Republican senators have even said as much. Who knows what they are voting for next week? The House Bill? Repeal only? The first Senate iteration? Is the Cruz amendment in it? https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003840/republicans-confused-health-care-vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 All of it doomed, especially if the three women Senators hold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Larry said: If you just keep repeating that sound bite enough times, maybe people will forget that it doesn't remotely resemble what you're trying to claim it means. 8 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Sure. It's a good thing that only Democrats dumb statements get taken out of context. If you pretend people say things they didn't say long enough, maybe people won't notice that you're relying entirely on making untrue claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 59 minutes ago, Larry said: If you pretend people say things they didn't say long enough, maybe people won't notice that you're relying entirely on making untrue claims. Truer words have never been written on ES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) Edited July 22, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Republican sabotage of the ACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 They're not gonna get me. I'm fightin' this **** tooth & nail. I'm just not gonna be an ignoramus about it. I don't have to be. MY SIDE WON THE FIRST TIME. We just have to absolutely hold ground. The ACA is LAW, people. It can't be debated and tossed aside. Stand your ground. We have RIGHTS now that we've never had before. (Oh, and get all your **** handled before the next lunatic takes office...just sayin'...) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/obamacare-is-only-exploding-in-red-states "Not counting North Carolina, only 2.1 million people in Democratic states live in counties without competition. Put another way, if someone lives in a state with a Democratic governor other than North Carolina, they have a 1.8% probability of only having a single insurer in their exchange. If they live in a state with a Republican governor, there is a 20.7% probability of the same." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 5 hours ago, PeterMP said: http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/obamacare-is-only-exploding-in-red-states "Not counting North Carolina, only 2.1 million people in Democratic states live in counties without competition. Put another way, if someone lives in a state with a Democratic governor other than North Carolina, they have a 1.8% probability of only having a single insurer in their exchange. If they live in a state with a Republican governor, there is a 20.7% probability of the same." Let it fail... By poisoning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 11 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: Republican sabotage of the ACA. They've been sabotaging it from the beginning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Let it fail... By poisoning it. What made the ACA succeed in some states? Hint: it’s not politics http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/affordable-care-act-succeed/ Health Insurance Markets Are Local Insurer competition varied widely within states, with the most dramatic differences between urban and rural areas. The more populated regions tended to have more insurance competition and better-priced plans than rural areas. Fewer people live in rural areas, which means there are fewer hospitals, doctors and other health professionals. As a result, insurance companies that do business in those regions have less power to negotiate prices with local providers, who are more likely to be the only game in town. “Insurance companies don’t make money [in many rural areas] because they can’t cut a deal with the providers that will be attractive to the customers,” Rivlin said. “And there just aren’t very many customers, so it’s not obvious what to do about that.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 They think that the ACA and Obamacare are two different things. The Republican marketing strategy was successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGoodBits Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, twa said: What made the ACA succeed in some states? Hint: it’s not politics http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/affordable-care-act-succeed/ Health Insurance Markets Are Local Insurer competition varied widely within states, with the most dramatic differences between urban and rural areas. The more populated regions tended to have more insurance competition and better-priced plans than rural areas. Fewer people live in rural areas, which means there are fewer hospitals, doctors and other health professionals. As a result, insurance companies that do business in those regions have less power to negotiate prices with local providers, who are more likely to be the only game in town. “Insurance companies don’t make money [in many rural areas] because they can’t cut a deal with the providers that will be attractive to the customers,” Rivlin said. “And there just aren’t very many customers, so it’s not obvious what to do about that.” Sounds like good reasons to expand Medicare in those states. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, twa said: What made the ACA succeed in some states? Hint: it’s not politics http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/affordable-care-act-succeed/ Health Insurance Markets Are Local Insurer competition varied widely within states, with the most dramatic differences between urban and rural areas. The more populated regions tended to have more insurance competition and better-priced plans than rural areas. Fewer people live in rural areas, which means there are fewer hospitals, doctors and other health professionals. As a result, insurance companies that do business in those regions have less power to negotiate prices with local providers, who are more likely to be the only game in town. “Insurance companies don’t make money [in many rural areas] because they can’t cut a deal with the providers that will be attractive to the customers,” Rivlin said. “And there just aren’t very many customers, so it’s not obvious what to do about that.” News flash:. Health Care is more expensive and more limited in rural areas. This is clearly Obama's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 53 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Sounds like good reasons to expand Medicare in those states. more a matter of population density and existing medicaid providers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 6 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Sounds like good reasons to expand Medicare in those states. 5 hours ago, twa said: more a matter of population density and existing medicaid providers Lat me see if I can more clearly state @skinsfan_1215 's argument. (Or what I think it is.) Contemplate the health care situation in BFE. One of those places with only one (or no) insurers. Limited providers, limited insureers, low population. (In short, contemplate one of the places where critics of Obamacare are trying to claim that Obamacare sucks, because it failed to fix a problem which Obamacare did not cause, and which the critics have absolutely no proposal how to fix, themselves, either.) I guarantee you that every provider in BFE takes Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare and Medicaid probably account for more than half of those provider's business. (And, if you make Medicare and Medicaid available to all, then they will account for more like 90% of the provider's business.) So please, people attacking Obamacare. Feel free to keep trying to pretend that your problem with Obamacare is that it fails to fix a problem which is actually caused by the market, Because what you're doing is pointing out a problem for which there is exactly one solution. And it's a solution which the Dems are perfectly cool with, and which you folks will not permit if your mother's lives depended on it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Edited July 24, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mooka Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Fatty face up there is looking a little suspect on a duel. My money's on one of the women. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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