Multiple Sources: Multiple shot including Congress Woman

[JimboDaMan]

Ex-girlfriend: Loughner 'not mentally ill' http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=7895767

She also talked about his political views. I keep hearing conservatives say he was a Democrat, but from he way she described him Loughner would have been more at home at a Tea Party rally. Lot of stuff about the government using underhanded methods to control us.

[twa]

I did not see threats to scede under Bush

Or law suits against the Feds

There have been threats to do so as long as I can remember

Sue the Feds for what?...Hell Texas sued the feds when W was president (and won I might add)

[thebluefood]

Rep. Giffords is making 50 Cent look like Hello Kitty.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Rep. Giffords is making 50 Cent look like Hello Kitty.

Life is trip. A few centimeters to the left or right, and a life can be saved or ended. Sean Taylor (RIP) is shot in the leg/groin and passes. 50 Cent is shot in the face and Rep Giffords is shot in the head and both survive.

[NavyDave]

She also talked about his political views. I keep hearing conservatives say he was a Democrat, but from he way she described him Loughner would have been more at home at a Tea Party rally. Lot of stuff about the government using underhanded methods to control us.

Hmm they dated during high school when she was 15 that would mean during the Dubba Ya administration, right?

Should NORML be also blamed? He is a pothead, and that gateway drug helped move him on to Salvia via a bong.

[Burgold]

Hmm they dated during high school when she was 15 that would mean during the Dubba Ya administration, right?

Jeez, why do you Conservatives always have to find a way to twist things until you can say it's Bush's fault. Not everything is about Bush, ND.

[thebluefood]

Life is trip. A few centimeters to the left or right, and a life can be saved or ended. Sean Taylor (RIP) is shot in the leg/groin and passes. 50 Cent is shot in the face and Rep Giffords is shot in the head and both survive.

It's pretty crazy. I thought for sure Sean was going to survive. I also didn't know what the femoral artery was at the time.

Damn it.

[DRSmith]

There have been threats to do so as long as I can remember

Sue the Feds for what?...Hell Texas sued the feds when W was president (and won I might add)

Got a link to the case?

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Hmm they dated during high school when she was 15 that would mean during the Dubba Ya administration, right?

Should NORML be also blamed? He is a pothead, and that gateway drug helped move him on to Salvia via a bong.

Is the real victims of the Tuscon shooting where those on thr right

I remember a time when the right cried about the victim mentality now it seems to be a way of life.

[twa]

Got a link to the case?

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/06-984

Suing the federal government has always been practiced

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history of secessionist movement...been going on since we joined the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Secession_Movement#Modern_movement

[aREDSKIN]

Shooters you tube video. Whack job.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-shooting-20110115,0,6932026.story?page=1

[Mickalino]

Whack job.

are ya sure about that ?

[Madison Redskin]

I remember a time when the right cried about the victim mentality now it seems to be a way of life.

Well, with Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the White House, that dang-goneit affirmative action, and all these illegal immigrants asking us to speak Mexican, we are under attack. They took our country.

[NavyDave]

Got a link to the case?

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 12:48 PM ----------

Is the real victims of the Tuscon shooting where those on thr right

I remember a time when the right cried about the victim mentality now it seems to be a way of life.

Nope not a victim and will not be the Goat for left wingers so desperate to gain a political advantage thru true victims either.

Try again

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 03:03 PM ----------

Jeez, why do you Conservatives always have to find a way to twist things until you can say it's Bush's fault. Not everything is about Bush, ND.

Well I thought it was time to give those "saintly" Liberals a break. After the two year marathon of playing the monopoly game with our kid's future income progressives need time to soak in how skillful they were in maxing out, over extending the People's credit Card.

---------- Post added January-15th-2011 at 03:09 PM ----------

Well, with Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the White House, that dang-goneit affirmative action, and all these illegal immigrants asking us to speak Mexican, we are under attack. They took our country.

I never needed affirmative action to achieve and succeed and to me its an insult to say I would need it. Yeah asking people to present a driver's license, ID after a traffic infraction is really racist. We should stick with catch and release when it comes to illegal aliens, sort of like a bassmasters for criminals.

Shame I can't have white guilt like the spineless apparent do (honestly not its not a shame ).

[aREDSKIN]

are ya sure about that ?

Well, I'm going to be nice here. I'm no expert but...........

[DRSmith]

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/06-984

Suing the federal government has always been practiced

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history of secessionist movement...been going on since we joined the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Secession_Movement#Modern_movement

Well the court case cited was bad as I would use such a case if I had an American citizen convicted of a local crime as was about to execute them and the US government asked me not too.

I did not see people talking about the need to cede where Bush was elected within months of Obama getting elected I started to see it alot

Of course the problem with the states rights folks is they fail to realize no one state made the US what it is then it was the feds that have done to most to make America the power house it is.

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Nope not a victim and will not be the Goat for left wingers so desperate to gain a political advantage thru true victims either.

Yes the right plays the victim card all the time now

They always now have others to blame for their short comings and it is sickening so much for the people who talked about personal resposiblity.

See I use to identify with the right but the more I got into it the more I realized I did not.

See at the day of the day I really do not see the difference between either side I just get more irritated with the right at times because they invoke God the most.

Listening to the right now is like listen to the greatest hits of Chris Rock, NWA and Public Enemy

[ACW]

Westboro Baptist Church wants to rally at the little girls funeral. I feel so bad for her family.

Are you ****ing KIDDING ME?

[DRSmith]

This is sad I hope they help this guy heal one victim of the shooting was just arrested for making death threats

[]A victim in the mass shooting north of Tucson attending a special town hall today was arrested after his outburst at another man who spoke in support of gun ownership.

The Pima County Sheriff's Department said it arrested Eric Fuller, 63, who was wounded in the knee a week ago in the shooting rampage that killed six and wounded 13. He was being held Saturday for alleged threats of intimidation and disorderly conduct and will undergo a mental-health evaluation.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/15/20110115gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-forum.html#ixzz1B9LvqBQP[/color]

[twa]

This is sad I hope they help this guy heal one victim of the shooting was just arrested for making death threats

That was rather bizarre ...maybe pain meds?

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after reading a little background on him his outburst is not surprising....I hope he gets the help he needs.

[aREDSKIN]

That was rather bizarre ...maybe pain meds?

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after reading a little background on him his outburst is not surprising....I hope he gets the help he needs.

Here is his website. He was involuntarily committed.

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profile/JamesEricFuller

[ACW]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0114/How-Tucson-kept-Westboro-Baptist-Church-protests-out-of-town

Instead, the Topeka, Kan., church will take to the airwaves. In exchange for canceling its planned pickets at the funerals of the six shooting victims, the church announced, it will get air time on two radio shows.

So be it.

[Burgold]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0114/How-Tucson-kept-Westboro-Baptist-Church-protests-out-of-townSo be it.

All sorts of production ambience fun could be had here. Imagine all the things you could lay under their voices during the interviews... omnious music, farts, shouts of LIAR, or EVIL CULTIST or even much more subliminal stuff... Heck, with the new FCC rules and the eight second delay you could have even more fun.

We apologize but everything this speaker said was obscene and only let them say "and.. the... a... an... he... or other pronouns.

Of course, they shouldn't do this, but the devil in me can't help wondering what could be done.

[HailGreen28]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0114/How-Tucson-kept-Westboro-Baptist-Church-protests-out-of-townSo be it.

Seems like a bad deal to me. Let them come on down and face an angry mob. There's free speech, and there's using inflammatory speech inciting a riot. Can't think of a better bunch of people to have a mob sicced on them.

[Baculus]

Outside of a few conservatives such as Joe Scarborough, the Right have rewoven the shooting and subsequent furor and debate into their own narrative. it has been a few days since I have last posted on this topic and the conservative response have grown even worse, with a defensive, self-serving reaction devoid of any meaningful insight or contemplation.

Look at Rush Limbaugh's reaction to this entire affair. The other day, Rep. Kirsten Killibrand said about Giffords that "[she] embodies everything that President Obama was trying to say that we have to be better than we are, that we all have to conduct ourselves better than we do." Limbaugh launched into a tirade, apoplectic at Killibrand's words, at the mere notion that we can "do better." Or, in his words:

"Why do we have to listen to these people tell us we’re not as good as we can be? What message are we supposed to hear here? What’s the message that we have to – we’re all ready for improvement? The GOP is supposed to capitulate? That’s how we get along with everybody?"

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/14/limbaugh-gillibrand/

That's one of the most hysterical things I have ever heard in reply to a rather benign statement from Killibrand. But I guess "we can do better" is too full of "teh s0cialismz!!!" to be appreciated.

Limbaugh's response, along with Sarah Palin's and Glenn Beck's responses, is a demonstration of the Right's strategy: To "swing" from the gut and to double-down on their P.O.V. Or, in Palin's words from another occasion (after a racist tirade from Dr. Laura): "Don't retreat -- reload." Any concession on anything, from the language that they've used to the tone of the political debate, is a sign of weakness or that their position may not be the 100% truth -- an impossibility in their eyes. They've woven the narrative, that the Obama administration is a dire domestic threat, and that it's conservatives who are truly under attack, and they can't deviate from it. Any such deviation would mean that they've been selling their followers a load of rubbish.

They are near virtual prisoners of own ideals, trapped by a maze of half-truths and hypocrisies.

This is why these conservative movement leaders, and as a result, some of their listeners or followers, refuse to believe that the last two-to-three years of right-wing rhetoric has any significant meaning whatsoever, and that's why the response has been faraway lacking meaningful contemplation from them.

I really can't say that they are incapable of contemplation, but I just don't know what would actually spur such a response from them.

[twa]

Should NORML be also blamed? He is a pothead, and that gateway drug helped move him on to Salvia via a bong.

Obviously it is the military's fault per Schumer

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138163-schumer-asks-president-to-close-loophole-where-loughner-could-have-been-reported

Loughner had tried to get into the Army, but was denied for "excessive" drug use.

That, Schumer said on NBC's "Meet the Press," should have prevented Loughner from legally buying the Glock pistol allegedly used in the shooting rampage.

But the Army was not required to notify the FBI of the "excessive drug use" rejection, which would have let law enforcement add his name to the database that would show up when checking a customer purchasing a gun.

"There are certain things that can be done that don't even require legislation," Schumer said, adding that he was "writing to the administration this morning" to get President Obama to close that gap between the armed forces and law enforcement.

Amazingly I agree we should use that information,but it needs to also extend to civilian medical professionals

a record of excessive drug use should be added to the database for gun purchases.

Ya can't control ya drug use you sure don't need to be buying a gun at least till you can provide a record of being clean.

[Baculus]

http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/jan/14/new-imam-named-lower-manhattan-islamic-center/

The plan for the Islamic cultural center would entail a 15- to 16-story building with two separate sections: one with a mosque, the other with a swimming pool, wellness center, culinary school, restaurant and a 500-seat auditorium. Park51 is hoping to raise $100 million for the project, which will occupy the old Burlington Coat Factory building several blocks from the World Trade Center.

There are reports that the new Ground Zero Mosque Imam Abdullah Adham is Linked to Unindicted Co-conspirator in '93 WTC bombing but its best to wait for confirmation on that instead of rushing to judgment.

A few points:

(1) Do you realize that the Park51 Islamic community center is being funded by one of the owners of Fox Corp.: Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal? Why aren't you calling for the boycott of Fox News?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008200055

(2) From the article you quoted, they mentioned that the "Islamic cultural center" has a"swimming pool, wellness center, culinary school, [and a] restaurant." Does that sound like some radical Al-Qaida mosque to you? You continue to use the term "Ground Zero Mosque," a nickname probably created Pam Geller or some other conservative agitator, but it's obvious that this is not simply a "mosque." And yet the Right continue to use that emotionally loaded term. Why is that? Why can't the right-wing debate this for what it is: A community center? Is there any level of rational debate possible on this issue, or does everything have to be at-full-volume controversy?

BTW, if the imam at the Islamic center has ties to terrorists, then Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, major owner of News Corp., has ties to terrorists, and that means Fox News has ties to terrorists. If that is true, then why do you watch terrorist connection news TV?

No wonder Fox hates the American president so much -- they are anti-American terrorists owned by a foreign corporation. Now it makes all the sense in the world . . .

(3) I pointed this out previously, but you refuse to bring it into the reality of your position: There is already a mosque in downtown Manhattan less than a mile from Ground Zero. Here is their website:

http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/

Their site says that "Masjid Manhattan, established in 1970, is a not-for-profit organization currently located in the heart of downtown Manhattan, near City Hall and the World Trade Center."

Where is the response about this mosque?

With all this in mind, it is obvious that the response to the Park51 community center is purely political in nature and a cynical exploitation of the 9-11 legacy. While conservatives accuse liberals of trying to exploit the Giffords' shooting for political reasons, conservatives have been doing this with 9-11 since the day of the attack, and the reaction to the Park51 center is a continuation of this. How do we know this? From the above pieces of information: that the center is partially funded by Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the no. 2 shareholder of News Corp., whuch owns and operates Fox News.; that the Islamic center is not considered to simply be a mosque, which is why it is called a "community center," open to both Muslim and non-Muslim alike; and that there is already a mosque in the area which has been there for decades.

None of the conservatives attacks against this center add up, which is why they don't have anything beyond "OMG they are building a victory mosque at Ground Zero!"

It is so interesting that liberals / progressives and some atheists seem be so rabid in their defense of Islam but silent or complicit when it comes to the bashing of Christianity

When Glenn Beck is bashing the social justice elements of Catholics or Unitarians, or when he is telling his audience to leave churches which believe in social justice, where are you or other conservatives in defending these Christians? A lot of progressives and liberals are Christians, but don't let that stop you from bashing them as well. I guess it is OK to drop all pretext of civility as long as it's someone whose political views that you oppose -- correct?

Finding reason to cast stones at progressives, liberals, Pres. Obama and Democrats (or which millions of them identify as being Christian) is surely not a sign of a good Christian brother or sister, if you ask me. So if you want Christianity to be defended, then what parts of Christianity do you want to defend? Because if Jesus Christ was supposed to represent love, I surely don't see it from the right-wing orthodoxy.