NavyDave Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 If this was happening in West Va, it wouldn't be viewed as a crisis but a road kill harvest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Funny how when you use google you can discover that there have been instances of mass fish and bird deaths for decades.http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20110107/US.SCI.Dead.Wildlife.Fact.Check/ FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Fri Jan 7, 2:02 AM EST news-general-20110107-US.SCI.Dead.Wildlife.Fact.Check QUOTE] I dont see where the historical ones that slipped under the radar died of blunt force trauma en massse though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Haven't read the linked articles, but were the previous mass deaths recorded in dozens, hundreds or thousands? I mean I can understand a few dozen birds flying into a hail storm and a flock getting decimated. Same thing with a few hundred... five thousand in one shot? That's a heck of an accurate fireworks barrage or an insanely large migratory flock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus71 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Just like how humans die in masses everyday so does other species! Mother nature is a funny thing, she ll decde when she has had enough and get fever... It has happened before, it wil happen again. Ecosystem failure is the number one reason for such events and to act as if it's a mystery is stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 The blackbirds come in large freaky swarms at times,kinda resemble the Hitch**** movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Just like how humans die in masses everyday so does other species! Mother nature is a funny thing, she ll decde when she has had enough and get fever... It has happened before, it wil happen again. Ecosystem failure is the number one reason for such events and to act as if it's a mystery is stupid! On the other hand, determining why an ecosystem is failing is a pretty important things and not just for our fine feathered friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Come on guys.Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I dont see where the historical ones that slipped under the radar died of blunt force trauma en massse though.I'm not sure anyone bothered to do extensive tests on all the earlier cases.And the blunt force explanation doesn't really seem to say much anyways. Whatever may have caused them to fall out of the sky, every single one of them is going to experience a blunt force when they hit the ground. "The birds obviously hit something very hard and had hemorrhages," said Rowe."Initial examinations of a few of the dead birds showed trauma. Whether or not this trauma was from the force of hitting the ground when they fell or from something that contacted them in the air, we don't know," she said. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/arkansas.falling.birds/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus71 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 On the other hand, determining why an ecosystem is failing is a pretty important things and not just for our fine feathered friends. The problem is we have screwed with the ecosystem souch that is almost impossible to pin point which one of our disasters are causing it, I would say all of them :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 And the blunt force explanation doesn't really seem to say much anyways. Whatever may have caused them to fall out of the sky, every single one of them is going to experience a blunt force when they hit the ground. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/arkansas.falling.birds/ That was from a few days ago, this is yesterday Apparently they ran into "houses" and "cars" http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/113018024.html Madison lab solves mystery of Arkansas bird die-offBlunt-force trauma from flying into homes, cars cited as cause The mystery of the deaths of thousands of blackbirds in Arkansas this month has been solved. They died of blunt-force trauma, according to the National Wildlife Health Center in Madison. Samples of the blackbirds - and other blackbirds from a separate mass die-off about the same time in Louisiana - were brought to the little-known laboratory on Madison's west side for necropsies. "They died of impact force to their bodies," said Scott Wright, chief of disease investigations at the center. He said the birds clearly showed signs of bruises. The Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said tests for evidence of pesticide poisoning were negative. At least 3,000 red-winged blackbirds died on New Year's Eve near Beebe, Ark. Fireworks probably sent them flying from their roost sites. The Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said the agency began receiving reports of blackbirds falling from the sky about 11:30 p.m. Dec. 31 in a 1-square-mile area of Beebe. Didn't realize we lived in the world of the Jetsons already ---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 11:04 AM ---------- 2DALYEY-Cow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Seen any bumblebees lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 A seal has been broken. :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideshow24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Seen any bumblebees lately? In January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 In January? In 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 The fact that this happens often and doesn't get reported only slightly relieves me more. Still, I am still worried. 40,000 crabs don't just die unless their ecosystem is greatly affected. And clearly man has something to do with it. It is no secret that humanity has screwed animals. It has reached a point where this stuff happens, and there is no excuse. It is hard to clean up the ocean....unless there is some method I am unaware of. As far as animals on the ground, we need to preserve as many national parks as possible and relocate the ones that are endangered to these spots. Like in the case of the polar bear, they can't survice in northern Canada anymore because the ice is melting. So put 500 of em in SIberia. I dunno...I'm not a scientist. I like animals a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I dont see where the historical ones that slipped under the radar died of blunt force trauma en massse though. Historical Blunt force trauma Reenactment PC Version ---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 12:03 PM ---------- I am still worried. 40,000 crabs don't just die unless their ecosystem is greatly affected. And clearly man has something to do with it.Why does it have to be Man? God was upset with Eve about the apple but was po'ed when she bathed in a nearby stream, because the Fish haven't gotten the smell off of them since. It is no secret that humanity has screwed animals. What does sexing up animals have to do with Birds flying into windows? It is hard to clean up the ocean....unless there is some method I am unaware of. The high content of salt does alot the natural oil leaks from the sea floor for example. As far as animals on the ground, we need to preserve as many national parks as possible and relocate the ones that are endangered to these spots. Like in the case of the polar bear, they can't survice in northern Canada anymore because the ice is melting. So put 500 of em in SIberia. I dunno...I'm not a scientist. That is a waste of resources if its their time to go let them go and the best way to save a species is to turn them into a farm or USA commodity item, because then we would mass produce the heck out of them. Why all of this sniveling about polar bears? Where is the love for Black Bears besides the ones that bounce off trampolines? I like animals a lot. Me too especially when you add Yoshida Sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm a huge environmentalist, I think we are screwing up the ecosystem in all sorts of ways... yet I find myself agreeing with NavyDave. :scared: We should investigate these things, but there is no reason to assume that this is anything out of the ordinary. Localized bird and fish dieoffs have happened throughout history. Coincidences do happen sometimes. The internet is allowing (forcing?) us to draw correlations that may or may not actually be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwyl Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 yet I find myself agreeing with NavyDave. This disturbance in the force just killed off a flock of pigeons in rural Tennessee. Thanks predicto :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Still, I am still worried. 40,000 crabs don't just die unless their ecosystem is greatly affected. And clearly man has something to do with it. The dead crabs is actually the easiest to explain.... With that, it really was the cold weather (coldest December in over 100 years for England) as they were all hypothermic. And for them that does happen regularly (though I'm not sure about in such huge numbers.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Does anybody really believe that fish deaths in the Cheseapeke are related to bird deaths in Arkansas and Kentucky (or wherever else it was), fish deaths in Vietnam, and crab deaths in England? It is certainly possible that some set of this things have been caused by man (e.g. pollution or pesticides), but there is almost no way they are connected w/o there being more widespread damage, which means that local phenomenea are most likely to be the explanation, and local natural phenomenea have extreme events too. (And to the person that asked about bees in 2010, yes, I saw some of them this summer. I don't use any pesticides on my grass so get lot's of dandelions, and the bees were present this summer. I've started being careful of them while mowing the grass.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I had a theory it might have been somethign to do with the Gulf oil spill, since in North America, the locations of mass deaths seem to radiate outwards from the Gulf, but as soon as the reports from Europe & Asia came in I guess I can throw that theory out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 The fish kills don't surprise me at all. They happen all the time, all over the place. On any random summer day on the Chessie, red tide might kill a few thousand fish. In winter they die from cold water temps if they can't find sanctuary. Millions of speckled trout and red drum died in the lower Chesapeake just last winter. There were dead fish practically carpeting the bottom in some areas. And that wasn't nearly as bad as the catastrophic fish kills in Florida during the same time. I don't know how common the bird thing is, but I think it was just convenient to try to link these bird deaths to another animal die-off that happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 That was from a few days ago, this is yesterdayApparently they ran into "houses" and "cars" http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/113018024.html Didn't realize we lived in the world of the Jetsons already ---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 11:04 AM ---------- 2DALYEY-Cow LOL, so suddenly and inexplicably, thousands of birds ran into a house or car en masse? Color me skeptical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (And to the person that asked about bees in 2010, yes, I saw some of them this summer. I don't use any pesticides on my grass so get lot's of dandelions, and the bees were present this summer. I've started being careful of them while mowing the grass.) Same here...we had plenty of bees and wasps this spring and summer. Is there more to that question...a part 2 maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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