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SnyderShrugged

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Thats simply crazy. I want to brush these off as mere coincidence, but wow, there are a lot of coincidences lately.

The whole blunt force trauma diagnosis is where my mind starts to spin. WTF cuases that (and there is no way I am buying fireworks or poisons as an excuse, otherwise we would see millions of mass bird deaths around independance day, that excuse is bunk)

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Thats simply crazy. I want to brush these off as mere coincidence, but wow, there are a lot of coincidences lately.

The whole blunt force trauma diagnosis is where my mind starts to spin. WTF cuases that (and there is no way I am buying fireworks or poisons as an excuse, otherwise we would see millions of mass bird deaths around independance day, that excuse is bunk)

High altitude hail could certainly be the cause ,especially with those birds tight formations

my first thought was a hydrogen sulfide release(either from seismic or sour gas well drilling),but no signs that I've heard of.

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Burgold

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It is a very odd thing and most of me says that man must be involved whether through a new pesticide, a change in the air that we humans are big enough to filter out, but birds with their much faster metabolism can't or something that's seeping into the groundwater and thus all the waterbeds to get at the fish. Like I said earlier, the first explanations "fireworks caused 5,000 birds to drop dead all at once, in one spot..." just sounds ridiculous, and suspisciously like a coverup.

Question is, what are we doing or what have we done that is having this crazy impact?

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SnyderShrugged

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High altitude hail could certainly be the cause ,especially with those birds tight formations

my first thought was a hydrogen sulfide release(either from seismic or sour gas well drilling),but no signs that I've heard of.

Isnt there often High altitude hail? Why is it killing birds in mass quantities more now than in the past?

I still think all of this is strange overall.

---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 07:55 AM ----------

It is a very odd thing and most of me says that man must be involved whether through a new pesticide, a change in the air that we humans are big enough to filter out, but birds with their much faster metabolism can't or something that's seeping into the groundwater and thus all the waterbeds to get at the fish. Like I said earlier, the first explanations "fireworks caused 5,000 birds to drop dead all at once, in one spot..." just sounds ridiculous, and suspisciously like a coverup.

Question is, what are we doing or what have we done that is having this crazy impact?

Never fear, soon you will hear it's due to global warming.;)

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Burgold

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Never fear, soon you will hear it's due to global warming.;)

Well, if we want to go there, if these birds were passing through a region with a particularly nasty hole in the Ozone Layer at the time of a nasty solar flare erruption... that could explain why all the people looking at the birds were dressed in hazmat suits. After all, if they really thought they were killed by concussion would such protective finery be necessary when examining them?

Hmmmm?

:nerd:

The reason I'd lean against that is it's relatively localized level. However, I will say that I firmly believe man has it within himself to destroy. Whether we are talking about another creature, a localized environment, or the delicate balance needed to make life flourish. If man is great at anything it's being destructive.

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SnyderShrugged

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Well, if we want to go there, if these birds were passing through a region with a particularly nasty hole in the Ozone Layer at the time of a nasty solar flare erruption... that could explain why all the people looking at the birds were dressed in hazmat suits. After all, if they really thought they were killed by concussion would such protective finery be necessary when examining them?

Hmmmm?

:nerd:

The reason I'd lean against that is it's relatively localized level. However, I will say that I firmly believe man has it within himself to destroy. Whether we are talking about another creature, a localized environment, or the delicate balance needed to make life flourish. If man is great at anything it's being destructive.

Localized? Didnt you see the map posted earlier? Nothing localized about that!

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201817256339889828327.0004991bca25af104a22b&t=h&source=embed&ll=25.165173,22.5&spn=154.641673,319.21875&z=1

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Funny how when you use google you can discover that there have been instances of mass fish and bird deaths for decades.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20110107/US.SCI.Dead.Wildlife.Fact.Check/

FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP

Fri Jan 7, 2:02 AM EST

news-general-20110107-US.SCI.Dead.Wildlife.Fact.Check

WASHINGTON — First, the blackbirds fell out of the sky on New Year's Eve in Arkansas. In recent days, wildlife have mysteriously died in big numbers: 2 million fish in the Chesapeake Bay, 150 tons of red tilapia in Vietnam, 40,000 crabs in Britain and other places across the world. Blogs connected the deadly dots, joking about the "aflockalypse" while others saw real signs of something sinister, either biblical or environmental.

The reality, say biologists, is that these mass die-offs happen all the time and usually are unrelated.

Federal records show they happen on average every other day somewhere in North America. Usually, we don't notice them and don't try to link them to each other.

"They generally fly under the radar," said ornithologist John Wiens, chief scientist at the California research institution PRBO Conservation Science.

Since the 1970s, the U.S. Geological Survey's National Wildlife Health Center in Wisconsin has tracked mass deaths among birds, fish and other critters, said wildlife disease specialist LeAnn White. At times the sky and the streams just turn deadly. Sometimes it's disease, sometimes pollution. Other times it's just a mystery.

In the past eight months, the USGS has logged 95 mass wildlife die-offs in North America and that's probably a dramatic undercount, White said. The list includes 900 some turkey vultures that seemed to drown and starve in the Florida Keys, 4,300 ducks killed by parasites in Minnesota, 1,500 salamanders done in by a virus in Idaho, 2,000 bats that died of rabies in Texas, and the still mysterious death of 2,750 sea birds in California.

On average, 163 such events are reported to the federal government each year, according to USGS records. And there have been much larger die-offs than the 3,000 blackbirds in Arkansas. Twice in the summer of 1996, more than 100,000 ducks died of botulism in Canada.

"Depending on the species, these things don't even get reported," White said.

Weather — cold and wet weather like in Arkansas New Year's Eve when the birds fell out of the sky — is often associated with mass bird deaths, ornithologists say. Pollution, parasites and disease also cause mass deaths. Some are even blaming fireworks for the blackbird deaths.

So what's happening this time?

Blame technology, says famed Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson. With the Internet, cell phones and worldwide communications, people are noticing events, connecting the dots more.

"This instant and global communication, it's just a human instinct to read mystery and portents of dangers and wondrous things in events that are unusual," Wilson told The Associated Press on Thursday. "Not to worry, these are not portents that the world is about to come to an end."

Wilson and the others say instant communications — especially when people can whip out smart phones to take pictures of critter carcasses and then post them on the Internet — is giving a skewed view of what is happening in the environment.

The irony is that mass die-offs — usually of animals with large populations — are getting the attention while a larger but slower mass extinction of thousands of species because of human activity is ignored, Wilson said.

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AP Researcher Julie Reed Bell contributed to this report.

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ixcuincle

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Noted science expert Michio Kaku appeared on the radio today

- He basically said all this happened because one lead bird or one lead animal flew poorly , and every other bird followed (like lemmings)

- He said this happens every other year and the media doesn't cover it

- He said the media has blown this way out of proportion

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MattFancy

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Maybe the birds are trying out for Angry Birds?

But seriously, I have no idea what is causing this. I, like some others on here, don't buy the fireworks excuse. You don't hear about birds dying on the 4th of July? I don't buy the water is too cold for the fish either. Yes its cold here, but wasn't it just as cold last year and we didn't hear about massive amount of fish dying.

Then I think its strange that its not just happening in one area. Its happening across the US and in Brazil and also England. So something is definitely up.

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From that other forum

Originally Posted by Rizer View Post

This thing happens ALL the time but people just don't hear about it as much. Large amounts of birds/fish die all the time, but it's usually in spots away from people and then the bodies are scavenged right away.

There are thousands of explanations as to these deaths, many of which are given in the accompanying articles. I don't see what the big panic is here. Just think about this rationally for a moment, do some research and you will see it's really nothing out of the ordinary, and even if it were, that doesn't automatically point to these occurrences being 'bad' or a 'sign' of anything, it just equals a bunch of unexplained deaths of birds and fish which would then require further scientific investigation to determine a proper cause.

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Noted science expert Michio Kaku appeared on the radio today

- He basically said all this happened because one lead bird or one lead animal flew poorly , and every other bird followed (like lemmings)

- He said this happens every other year and the media doesn't cover it

- He said the media has blown this way out of proportion

Yeah, see, that's my biggest question. Is it happening more, or is it just being reported more?

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Skins24

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There was another thread on this...

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?342656-What-s-up-with-Arkansas-lately

News reports yesterday said the Arkansas birds died from blunt force trauma. It's obvious they all ran into a UFO.

Also....

Pcw2XFWBJ-o

Experts say don't worry. Which can only mean....it's time to worry!!

Edit: :ols: not surprising that's the highest rated comment. you humans are smarter than I thought

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