TradeTheBeal! Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Remember Rip for Stackhouse? This would be that all over again only with the potential to be an even worse trade. And don't get me wrong, don't take this as me thinking you or anyone else who wants trade Bradley is stupid. We all have our difference of opinions on this and you're all pretty smart dudes. I just see this as history repeating itself. I wouldn't trade Oubre, Porter or Beal and Wall is untouchable. They're the foundation for this roster. All we need is an good big man and we'll be on our way. One could also say that signing the oft-injured Beal to a max contract would be history repeating itself. Remember Gilbert Arenas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I like Beal - he seems like he has some Kobe in him, in a good way. Beal's got that dog in him. He's not very animated or physically expressive though so you have watch him close to see it. Wall does too but with John you can't miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 Remember Rip for Stackhouse? This would be that all over again only with the potential to be an even worse trade. And don't get me wrong, don't take this as me thinking you or anyone else who wants trade Bradley is stupid. We all have our difference of opinions on this and you're all pretty smart dudes. I just see this as history repeating itself. I wouldn't trade Oubre, Porter or Beal and Wall is untouchable. They're the foundation for this roster. All we need is an good big man and we'll be on our way. It's not so much that I want to trade Bradley. I'm just not sure I want to give him a 5 year deal for a 120m+. Especially for a guy who says he'll be more than likely be on a minutes restriction for the rest of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 One could also say that signing the oft-injured Beal to a max contract would be history repeating itself. Remember Gilbert Arenas? Major, major difference. Gilbert was coming off of one of the worst knee injuries I've ever seen. That deal was beyond stupid and everyone called it at the time. He was a shell of his former self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Sorry but I'm not seeing the Rip-Beal comparison at all. Other than being SG's with smooth J's, what's the career similarities? And who's the Stackhouse to Beal's Rip? Trading Rip in and of itself wasn't a mistake. Trading him for Stackhouse (seriously **** MJ: then, now, forever) was a mistake. Rip was never some top 10 franchise-type player. Really think you're simplifying all of it way too much. Edited January 23, 2016 by BornaSkinsFan83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Major, major difference. Gilbert was coming off of one of the worst knee injuries I've ever seen. That deal was beyond stupid and everyone called it at the time. He was a shell of his former self. But the reasons for signing him remain the same...some variation of "we can't afford not to". Which is wrong. We could've afforded not to then and we can afford not to now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Otto's game actually reminds me of Rip Hamilton. But he's bigger and more physical and has the potential to be a far better defender. I think Beal has the potential to be better than Rip, and Rip ended up being an outstanding player in Detroit, especially in his late 20's during those All Star seasons. I agree with Taylor's point. I'm not interested in watching Beal become an All Star for some other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 @JMichaelCSN - Alan Anderson's recovery takes sharp turn upwards https://t.co/hk9oZgGm1n#WizardsTalk @CSNWizards #NBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) But the reasons for signing him remain the same...some variation of "we can't afford not to". Which is wrong. We could've afforded not to then and we can afford not to now. This. The man has had four stress injuries in the same leg and we already have a franchise player to build around. I'm not against bringing him back, just don't agree with max to keep him from leaving. If we're paying Beal for what we believe we'll get out of him, then that deal better involve some incentives like based on games played (which we all know it won't). If he pulls a Jordan Reed 2015 type year on us, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. To me, It absolutely boils down to him being able to stay healthy. I'm really trying to stay optimistic here, but reality don't care about that. Edited January 24, 2016 by Renegade7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Otto's game actually reminds me of Rip Hamilton. But he's bigger and more physical and has the potential to be a far better defender.I think Beal has the potential to be better than Rip, and Rip ended up being an outstanding player in Detroit, especially in his late 20's during those All Star seasons.I agree with Taylor's point. I'm not interested in watching Beal become an All Star for some other team.Beal plays more like Rip, in my opinion. They both generate consistent offense catching the ball on the run around screens. Rip even had a persistently low PER despite apparently playing well. Neither of them was as effective relying on their first step from a standstill or trying to dribble too much. Being Rip with a better three makes for a great scorer. The major difference is that Beal is stronger through contact, but shorter.Otto looks more like Rip, that lean long frame, but his game is different. He's better cutting towards the basket off script, with no play being run for him. He just has good instincts for getting open. He's more of a classic off ball player in my opinion, and that will show strongly when his three point shot develops. Beal and Rip were harder to shut down, even when teams knew what they were doing. I don't think Otto would thrive if the offense ran through him and opponents knew it. He hasn't shown that kind of ability. Beal has proven he's hard to stop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Boogie Cousins is Godzilla. We should really try and trade for him...or rather should have tried. http://deadspin.com/demarcus-cousins-cooked-and-ate-the-pacers-last-night-1754813200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Would you rather: Fire Randy and hire David Blatt? or Trade Beal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 That a trick question? Definitely the first. For me a tough "would you rather" is: Fire Ernie and hire Isiah Thomas or Trade Beal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 This. The man has had four stress injuries in the same leg and we already have a franchise player to build around. I'm not against bringing him back, just don't agree with max to keep him from leaving. If we're paying Beal for what we believe we'll get out of him, then that deal better involve some incentives like based on games played (which we all know it won't). If he pulls a Jordan Reed 2015 type year on us, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. To me, It absolutely boils down to him being able to stay healthy. I'm really trying to stay optimistic here, but reality don't care about that. This is exactly where i stand. The Beal to Reed comparison is a really good one. Its funny how much the Reed narrative changed. He is now a dominant top 3-5 TE in the league and we all want him locked up long term to big money. Beal even when he's been healthy hasn't been great CONSISTENTLY. A great game here and there sure, but he still has inconsistent handles, is turnover prone, and doesn't shoot particularly well from the FT line(for a supposed elite talent anyway). If the question is give Beal a max or let him go, with no in between, then I'm on the let him go bandwagon. BUT I do believe there is a middle ground we can reach. But he's gotta start playing at a high level with consistency as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Boogie Cousins is Godzilla. We should really try and trade for him...or rather should have tried. http://deadspin.com/demarcus-cousins-cooked-and-ate-the-pacers-last-night-1754813200 It's too late. Cousins has begun to enjoy sac town, rondo, and they are in the playoffs if the season were to end right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'd rather not get swept by the Celtics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Wittman really throwing out a starting lineup in which John Wall is the best 3pt shooter? Whatever coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 To be fair, we shot lights out last game and still lost. Randy going to try to win the game with rebounds and defense. The Wall/Beal/Porter/Nene/Gortat is still our top lineup. Outside of maybe the Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre/Gortat rotation that we have used sparingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 To be fair, we shot lights out last game and still lost. Randy going to try to win the game with rebounds and defense. The Wall/Beal/Porter/Nene/Gortat is still our top lineup. Outside of maybe the Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre/Gortat rotation that we have used sparingly. Randy is throwing **** against the wall at this point, hoping to get lucky. Nene is a ****, but he can still be effectice if used properly. Starting him at the 4 is not a correct way to use him And i'm tired of being a fan of a team that starts garrett temple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Beal got a boo-boo, so he's gone to the locker room to be consoled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Nene has been great all season regardless of where he has played. The issue is that he was injured for ages. Beal is like an injury magnet, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I swear, if Gortat doesnt get like the offense running through him in the first, he is completely useless the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Good to see Otto out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) J. Michael @JMichaelCSN 50s50 seconds ago Beal will NOT return #WizardsTalk @CSNWizards #NBA #WizCeltics Edited January 26, 2016 by STBonecrusher21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBash Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Wizards are like 0-3875 vs Boston and Toronto this year it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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