Going Commando Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Exactly. The Bulls foul basically on every possession. When they actually got called for it, in the 3rd quarter, you saw what happened: we ran them out of the gym. The Bulls are not a good team. The league just allows them to play overly physical because it's the only chance they have to win, and they want the team based out of Chicago to be competitive. It's not about Chicago. Other teams, like Memphis, play like this too. It's about the refs not really being able to officiate that style of play. They don't want to call fouls every possession so they don't and they set a baseline for the way they call Chicago that lets them get away with a ton of contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Oh I don't have any doubt that it's a very difficult job. But you can't miss most of the game and then come in here and say we're overreacting to crap officiating. You would have seen it too. We played with a tighter whistle than the Bulls and the Bulls foul constantly and dare the refs to call them. That's just what they do. Then on the other side is absurd inconsistency. All of our bigs got into foul trouble in the first quarter because we don't get to play at the same level. All I'm saying is, I saw the other three games, and I saw the same level of complaining in here during those three, including some particular venom directed towards Joey Crawford during game 2. Though I can sort of understand that, Crawford has a long history of being considered the NBA's puppet. How much you want to bet he's assigned to Game 5? Seems like everyone here wants the fouls to be called 2-1 in our favor, and maybe that would be a more accurate representation of what's going on, but it isn't going to happen. They've been called fairly even, numbers wise, and the Wizards are winning pretty handily. Let's hope they close it out in five and the Indy-Atlanta series goes a full seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 From a Pistons fan http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1290509&start=840 I think Monroe and Smith for Nene, Porter and Webster could be a great deal for both teams I'd be ALL over this. Only caveat would be that Smith would have to agree to never shoot from beyond 12 feet from the hoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub70s Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Found a nice breakdown of how Nene is handling Noah's defensive pressue....shoot over him. Edited April 28, 2014 by Dub70s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/04/28/michael-wilbons-columns-get-sadder-every-time-the-wizards-beat-the-bulls/ The evolution of Michael Wilbon columns over the last week: Unabashed arrogance: The Bulls couldn’t have gotten a better draw, even to the point of getting a Washington Wizards team that won the regular-season series 2-1. The Wizards want the Bulls in the playoffs, set their sights on them the last few weeks of the season as they moved from seventh to fifth. The Wizards aren’t shy about their feelings toward the Bulls, that they can’t score enough to get in a high-octane battle, that they can’t stay in front of Wall and Beal, that the Bulls physically just aren’t as good as the Wizards. And that’s just the kind of team the Bulls should eat for lunch in a seven-game playoff series, a team whose best two players haven’t navigated the intensity of the playoffs, a team that thinks offense is somehow going to rule the day in the postseason….Team defense — the Bulls rank No. 1 in that department among playoff teams in games against other playoff teams — ought to slow the Wizards enough for the Bulls to win in six games. Game 1 shock: It’s something of a stunner when the team that always demonstrates a sense of urgency looks emotionally empty in Game 1 of the playoffs. When the team that knows it has to rebound doesn’t. When the team that knows it has to move bodies and the ball to generate offense doesn’t. When the team that knows its calling card is defense doesn’t play much of it. It’s not often in the Tom Thibodeau era that the Bulls are a flat-out disappointment, but they were in their 102-93 Game 1 loss to the Wizards…. Game 2 depression: It’s the 12 minutes that ought to drive Bulls management to extreme action in an offseason coming sooner than any of them expected….Two straight games playing at home the Bulls couldn’t get a basket when they needed one, and now they’re halfway to summer. The Wizards knew in their hearts this would be the case when they hustled from seventh place to fifth in the final days of the season to chase a first-round matchup with the Bulls. They knew they could smother D.J. Augustin defensively with Trevor Ariza. They knew two of the most polished offensive players the Bulls have, Carlos Boozer and Mike Dunleavy, are usually affixed to the bench in the fourth quarter because of their defensive deficiencies. The Wizards knew the Bulls routinely go six minutes, eight minutes, 10 minutes without being able to score a basket…. [The Bulls] need points and they know by now they have no place to turn for enough of them. Worst of all for the Bulls, the Wizards know that, too. Game 3 optimism: There’s no telling what will happen from here, what with the availability of Nene in question after an early fourth-quarter confrontation that got him ejected….Who knows what’s possible now that the availability of Nene is uncertain? Reluctant resignation: There comes a point in most every playoff series when both teams know who’s better. Bulls-Wizards pretty much reached that point four minutes into Game 4, when Washington’s Trevor Ariza hit a 3-pointer to give the Wizards a two-touchdown lead at 14-0…. The Wizards have evolved to a point of athletic arrogance at which they know they’re better than the opponent, meaning there’s nothing the Bulls can do about certain physical realities…. The Wizards figured out between Games 3 and 4 that despite Friday night’s loss they are the physically superior team, that they can guard the Bulls but the Bulls cannot guard them, and that if they come out and seize the lead, there isn’t much the Bulls can do about it…. The Bulls need a Wizards meltdown or an afternoon of absentmindedness to win the next two games and force a Game 7. If the two sides play evenly, the Wizards will win. Edited April 28, 2014 by Popeman38 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Booker is not a good defender by and large. He's our weak link in the rotation most games. Gooden isn't great, but he played well today. His defense was fine. He made some critical defensive plays. Yeah I don't know what game you were watching. Gooden has been terrible the entire series. Aside from foul trouble, booker has been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/04/28/michael-wilbons-columns-get-sadder-every-time-the-wizards-beat-the-bulls/ The evolution of Michael Wilbon columns over the last week: Unabashed arrogance: Game 1 shock: Game 2 depression: Game 3 optimism: Reluctant resignation: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's not about Chicago. Other teams, like Memphis, play like this too. It's about the refs not really being able to officiate that style of play. They don't want to call fouls every possession so they don't and they set a baseline for the way they call Chicago that lets them get away with a ton of contact. Well said. It's done across the board in every sport. There are certain teams you just hate drawing because you know they are going to play right on the edge of legal/illegal and cross over that line more times then the officials will call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Well said. It's done across the board in every sport. There are certain teams you just hate drawing because you know they are going to play right on the edge of legal/illegal and cross over that line more times then the officials will call. Flyers, Bruins, Rangers, Bulls, Grizzlies, Spurs, Heat. In the NBA & NHL, these are the teams that are going to mug you and get away with far more than is called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yeah I don't know what game you were watching. Gooden has been terrible the entire series. Aside from foul trouble, booker has been great. Gooden played 10 minutes total in the first three games. What games have you been watching? He was fine yesterday. Booker is a weak defender that's getting beaten badly by Taj Gibson. Gibson is good. But Booker is a big part of why we're making Gibson look like a star. Booker was alright yesterday. I actually like him, and don't think he's nearly the detriment on offense a lot of people do. I appreciate that he doesn't crap his pants when he gets pressed into starting. But it wasn't like his defense was any better than Gooden's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Booker has been playing good defense, Gibson has been killing everyone on him. Gooden was terrible game 3 when Nene got kicked out. Booker is the only one that tries to match Noahs and Gibson instensity especially on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's not about Chicago. Other teams, like Memphis, play like this too. It's about the refs not really being able to officiate that style of play. They don't want to call fouls every possession so they don't and they set a baseline for the way they call Chicago that lets them get away with a ton of contact. I wouldn't compare them to Memphis because Memphis is actually legitimately good and talented. They're physical but I don't see them grabbing and shoving the way Chicago does. Why doesn't the league make sure NY Knicks, LA Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Philadelphia 76ers are competitive? Because those teams suck so much even if they played this style of ball they would still lose. The league lets the Bulls get away with it because it allows them to win and be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Flyers, Bruins, Rangers, Bulls, Grizzlies, Spurs, Heat. In the NBA & NHL, these are the teams that are going to mug you and get away with far more than is called. Well said. It's done across the board in every sport. There are certain teams you just hate drawing because you know they are going to play right on the edge of legal/illegal and cross over that line more times then the officials will call. Yep. Pretty much. I don't see what can be done about it either. The officials try and call a tight game in the first quarter to set the tone but it never sticks. You can't change basic human psychology in a fast moving job depending on judgement calls. Even still, the officials have blown some easy calls IMO. You should be expected to catch a really blatant basket interference or blatant face guarding or an obvious hip check on a screen. The officials should know a player's tendencies to make it easier. "Watch Noah, he's going to try and get away with hits on his screens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Booker has been playing good defense, Gibson has been killing everyone on him. Gooden was terrible game 3 when Nene got kicked out. Booker is the only one that tries to match Noahs and Gibson instensity especially on the boards. Booker's defense hasn't been good. His man has been beating him bad and the rim protection takes a dive when he's on the floor. He's OK against a guy posting up, but as a weakside helper he is really lacking. and he breaks up our rotations too much. Look at how much more space Gortat ends up having to cover when Booker is on the floor instead of Nene. I give credit to Booker for his intensity. He fights for position on the boards and isn't scared to wrestle with Chicago's guys even though he does have to play on a tighter whistle than them. I like him, he's tough. But he is very streaky and he takes a lot off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Check this out. It's kinda surprising.•Nene and Gortat are minus 9 over 68 minutes on the court together during the series against the Bulls and allow 110.8 points per 100 possessions (DefRtg) while scoring 102.2 points per 100 possessions (OffRtg)•Nene and Booker: 35 minutes together, plus 6 in plus/minus, 93.8 DefRtg of 93.8, 101.0 OffRtg.•Gortat and Booker: 56 minutes together, plus 14 in plus/minus, 99.3 DefRtg, 112.0 OffRtg.http://www.truthaboutit.net/2014/04/free-nene-suspension-game-4-wizards-bulls-2014-nba-playoffs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Check this out. It's kinda surprising. •Nene and Gortat are minus 9 over 68 minutes on the court together during the series against the Bulls and allow 110.8 points per 100 possessions (DefRtg) while scoring 102.2 points per 100 possessions (OffRtg) •Nene and Booker: 35 minutes together, plus 6 in plus/minus, 93.8 DefRtg of 93.8, 101.0 OffRtg. •Gortat and Booker: 56 minutes together, plus 14 in plus/minus, 99.3 DefRtg, 112.0 OffRtg. http://www.truthaboutit.net/2014/04/free-nene-suspension-game-4-wizards-bulls-2014-nba-playoffs.html Gortat Booker looked good yesterday. The problem is that Booker is unpredictable and he's as likely to be an absolute disaster as he is good. The average seems to be bad offense with active defense. Might need him if we have to deal with Millsap next round, neither Nene nor Gortat are quick enough to stay with him. The wizards must be fun to coach being as diverse as they are. They have shooters and two big interior scoring options. Great guard play. Very good perimeter defense. In this round they've proven capable of scoring in the half court against a damn good defense and they, of course, can get out and run. They even have stretch four options on the bench. You really don't have a lot if weaknesses to hide. The downside is that there isn't a real consistent great scoring threat, and that will probably be our downfall later. There is always a point a the postseason when things slow down and you need a clutch basket, the bulls can't do it but the next team up can be they the Pacers or Hawks. The heat have three guys waiting should we advance further. Edited April 28, 2014 by Destino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 The officials should know a player's tendencies to make it easier. "Watch Noah, he's going to try and get away with hits on his screens." KG sets an illegal screen almost every time. Irvin used to push off at the break almost every time. Wade acts like he is shot forward out of a cannon almost every time he goes up for a rebound with a person behind him. Countless guys in the NHL go down with any contact inside the blue line. Soccer? Don't get me started! Catchers in baseball have made careers by being able to frame a pitch. Umpires know they do it but still call it a strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gooden played 10 minutes total in the first three games. What games have you been watching? He was fine yesterday. Booker is a weak defender that's getting beaten badly by Taj Gibson. Gibson is good. But Booker is a big part of why we're making Gibson look like a star. Booker was alright yesterday. I actually like him, and don't think he's nearly the detriment on offense a lot of people do. I appreciate that he doesn't crap his pants when he gets pressed into starting. But it wasn't like his defense was any better than Gooden's. Apparently not the same game as you. Gooden: In 36 minutes, he has 2 pts, 3 rebounds, 1 stl and 1 blk, and 8 fouls. If that's good in your mind, I don't know what to tell you. There's a reason booker is starting. More offensive production, wayyyy more active on defense. Booker at least makes it tough for Gibson, gooden makes it easy for Gibson to score, and once gooden is on the floor, that's when you see all those offensive rebounds, and gooden being man handled. Just because you see gooden jump and swipe with his arm and get all AIR, doesn't mean he's doing good on defense haha. Gooden and booker played close to the same amount of time in game 4. Gooden shot 1-4, 2 rebounds, 1 ast, 1 blk, 5 fouls. Booker shot 4/10, 9 rebounds, 1 ast, 3 blks, 6 fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't think we have an answer for Taj Gibson. That guy's killing us. Booker, Gooden, Ariza, Nene. Gibson's beating them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't think we have an answer for Taj Gibson. That guy's killing us. Booker, Gooden, Ariza, Nene. Gibson's beating them all. Luckily, we don't need to have an answer for Gibson. He can't play 48 min, as he is good for only about 30 min/game before he either fouls out or his legs are gone because he is such a high energy player. He was about as efficient as a player can be in game 4. As was Dunleavy in game 3. And we still should have swept the Bulls (if Nene had kept his cool, we are chillin in the hot tubs today waitin on round 2). What we need to focus on is closing out in 5. Play game 5 like we are down 3-1. Then we can rest (Nene can get more rest) before taking on the eventual winner of (hopefully) 7 game series. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 3-1 up and it's no secret the Wizards are the better team, they look it every game. Wasn't expecting this half way through the season Atmosphere was great last night, hope some of it continues next season. Must be great for the players to play in front of a high energy crowd, certainly made it better to watch than a 'normal' home game. The Nene incident and suspension will give a good example for our team for years to come, and I'll add I think the team statement to win in such a scrappy physical game was a benefit too. All in all no harm no foul. Liking that I'm noticing the aggression SM was saying Beal had going to the basket, and defensively he's really impressing with his intensity too. Can cover a lot of ground quickly to get open for a shot or to cover a man and has a really good temperament to go with the skills. Really mature series so far 'playing hard and having fun' according to an interview. Hope that tomorrow we play them like we mean it and close it out with a statement passing game from Wall, high energy moving O and a smothering D. Take the series and rest up and watch some ball games while taking the opportunity to practise lots of FTs........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Can I throw this name out there.... DOC RIVERS. Just thinking out loud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 FWIW, Joey Crawford was horrible last night in the GS/LA game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 So anyone still bummed that we got the Bulls in the first round instead of Toronto? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Did Shelvin Mack really suck that bad when he was here because he looks pretty damn good for the Hawks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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