zoony Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 At first, I kind of laughed at the question. But dam- if you look at his career and stats, there's a damn good case. Sheesh, i dunno. His biggest problem is playing for the two biggest loser franchises of all time with the weakest fan bases, Rams and Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Villi Phanatic Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I actually mentioned him in a HOF thread here prior to this season as a guy who had a shot but was firmly on the outside looking in with not too much time left to improve his case. With that being said, he's surely do everything he can to do just that with how's performed to date this year. The one thing Warner has in his favor is the positional bias towards QBs, which would make it significantly easier for him to get in than a comparable player at another position like S or TE, for example. And if he indeed does win another MVP, his case becomes that much stronger as I think it would be rare if not non-existent that a 3+ time league MVP, let alone a 2 time MVP, didn't make the HOF. With that being said, I don't know if just having a great year this year (no matter how good it is) should be enough to get him in. He's played in an era where passing stats have become ridiculously inflated with defensive rules changes and whatnot so that has to be considered for him and every other QB in the past 10 years. But it'll certainly be an interesting case if he does indeed win the MVP and perhaps a playoff game(s) this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 No way. A few good years and some garbage yards does not make a HOFer. He would be the worst HOF QB in there... Plenty of QBs have a few stellar years and then become second-rate. How many of you would have wanted him as our starting QB during the offseason? Very few, I'm sure. He hasn't been relevant for a while now, and just because he's going well now doesn't mean he has been over the past 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 No way. A few good years and some garbage yards does not make a HOFer. He would be the worst HOF QB in there... Plenty of QBs have a few stellar years and then become second-rate. How many of you would have wanted him as our starting QB during the offseason? Very few, I'm sure. He hasn't been relevant for a while now, and just because he's going well now doesn't mean he has been over the past 5 years. jim kelly is a mediocre QB and he is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 He's a tricky one. For about 4 years, he was as good as anyone ever was. And this late career rejuvenation is pretty darn nifty. And he's better than Warren Moon in my view. I'm still not sure though. (I also don't care that much about HOF debates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Some interesting arguments on this at CHFF. More than one article over there like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Probably, but not a first ballot........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I would give him serious consideration. Before Manning/Brady took over the reins there was that stretch of 2-3 years he was the best QB in the league (outside of possibly Farve). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverydayFan80 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Kurt Warner has posted impressive numbers over his career, I believe he'll get in eventually not first ballot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Joe Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 He's a system QB. He plays well when he has two or more receivers that are potential HOF'ers and looks like garbage otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 He is the MVP of this nfl season so far.I think he is a HOF'er. Agreed. Model character guy as well. That's gotta count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I just don't think of Kurt Warner as one of the best QBs of all-time. When I think of Warner I think of a guy who had a few great years but not enough sustained greatness. He may win MVP for the year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scyber Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Right now? I'd say no. If he wins league MVP, wins a playoff game with the cardinals, and can pile on a few more statistics over the next few years, I'd say he is definitely worthy of consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 The stats they were throwing at me during MNF made me believe that he sure could be. You have to take that with a grain of salt, though, don't you? I mean, Tony Kornheiser is such a sycophant for whoever happens to be playing on any given Monday night that you have to discount at least some of that as spin, dont'cha think? (That was my really bad Kornheiser impression.) Wouldn't you agree, Jaws? Blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc...ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 He's a system QB. He plays well when he has two or more receivers that are potential HOF'ers and looks like garbage otherwise. I wouldn't go quite so far as garbage, but it does show when he has stellar receivers to throw to, something NYG has had a dearth of over the years. Then again, what QB does THAT not apply to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 He seems to be well liked by the media, which in recent years is the biggest part of getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operations Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yes, I think he's a hall-of-famer. He led one of the greatest offenses in modern times in St. Louis and is still playing great at almost 40 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 If Kurt Warner had similar passing numbers but had actually played more complete seasons I could easily see some of the people voting "no" changing their opinion. The man has wracked up 26,000 passing yards with only 94 starts, which extrapolates to about 285 ypg passing. That is just crazy. It amounts to approximately 4500 yards on average per season if he actually manages to start every game in a season with that average. Kurt's biggest knock is just that his career has been somewhat unconventional and his opportunities have been broken up by injuries and the emergence of two other good QBs (Marc Bulger and Eli Manning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 When I thought he was a washed up back up with the Giants and Cards I would have said no way. His time in St. Louis was too short (no matter how good he was) to even deserve a mention for the HOF. But if he can sustain his play for the next few years in Arizona and get them to be a solid playoff team, then I do think he deserves some consideration. But it's still not a slam dunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I started a thread like this in June with a poll. The tally was 85% said no he was not a HOF player. Have a look at some of the replies before the season started. http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=250002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasfan Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Right now, no, he's not a hall-of-famer. He was only a top QB for a three year stretch and was pretty bad outside of that. If he wins a Super Bowl or MVP it would help his case, and if he wins both I say yeah, but if he gets neither, I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think he's got a shot. Like the above poster said, they showed some good stuff during the MNF game.It's not his fault his career got off to a late start...I dont think it should be held against him. I agree with you here. I think once the Cards make the paloffs this year and if he starts more than 13 games and throws for more than 20+ TDs next year, he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Yes, he is a hall of famer.Did you see the stat they put up last night? 46% of his games are 300 yard performances. That's crazy. It's like 20% higher then Fouts that is in 2nd place. 2 time MVP, 1 Superbowl MVP, could get his 3rd this year. And perhaps one of the most underrated stats, he's going to give the Arizona Cardinals a division title. I mean come'on man. I agree. I think his story alone is HOF material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Warner is a great story and the fact that he's got these monster stats this year is pretty effing impressive. Even if he does have the best WR combo in the league. I wouldn't hesitate to put him in the HOF at this point. On a related note: You know, if the Redskins don't make it, I would love for the Cards to get to the SB. Even tho they have a bunch of douche players on defense, I still think it would be amazing for the league if one of these perennial losers would make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmeworry Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 It's hard to imagine a QB that was a second-stringer in what should have been his most productive years is a Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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