Leonard Washington Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Do you understand how inefficient solar pannels are today? What he is talking about is a quantum leap in efficiency, storage, and an entirely new energy infrastructure. Not everything you don't understand is BS. actually i was making fun of "you'll become a little power generator in your home..." as if the comment was refering to a person, not the home's energy source. hence the matrix comment... :doh: fyi...i spent a couple of summers as an undergrad living in a solar powered home in AZ that sold excess electricity to the power company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bunch of Bull****! Bush is an oilman- he will make sure oil runs everthing! All his addicted to oil is nothing but hype! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 they need to bring back the "luxary tax" on vehicles that don't achieve a certain level of fuel efficiency, like min. 20mpg. 20 years ago this tax added $500-1000 to the cost of new cars not meeting the standard. This money could be spent on research. This second "muscle car" era that we're in needs to come to an end. 300,400,500 hp engines in the middle of an energy crisis? :doh: This is where "energy policy" needs to head, but the oil man isn't going there. Reagan did but he wasn't in the Oil Buss. The rest is grandstanding about ongoing efforts in the private sector, as if to claim it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjcdaman Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Just more hot air from "President" Bush. I'm glad you gave it some thought. Just in case you didn't know, and only hear what you want to hear from the liberal news media.....John Kerry blew nothing but hot air during his whole campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 250 cars doesn't sound like a whole lot :laugh: I think it was 250,000 cars. I think Glad to hear about this whole energy thing, though its like 10 years too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I was trying to be a little bit tongue-and-cheek, and I think you're being a little bit harsh on the Japanese. First of all, good post. Second, you're probably right, I am a little bit harsh. But you know what? So are they. I lived over there for a long time, over 5 years. This is one instance where experiencing a different culture didn't so much open my mind towards a culture, but closed it. I remember very well Toshiba stealing sensitive US submarine technology and selling it to the Soviets. I remember how it was swept under the rug, and kept hush-hush. I had an immediate family member involved in the damage control on that incident. To this day I will not own a Toshiba product. And ask US companies like Honeywell and Motorola if they think I'm being too harsh on the Japanese when I say it will be amusing to watch them have to play on a level playing field for once, where they cannot get away with ripping off innovation and technology from other countries. From the looks of it, Sony isn't doing so well. They are getting thoroghly beat up by Samsung, Apple and Microsoft, to name a few. The U.S. auto industry is too far gone with bloated labor budgets to save, but my prediction is that the Japanese will quickly find themselves getting into trouble in many industries. The reason? They have to fight fair for a change. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 As long as gas remains cheap, we wont see any new energy breakthroughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Just more hot air from "President" Bush. Bunch of Bull****! Bush is an oilman- he will make sure oil runs everthing! All his addicted to oil is nothing but hype! Ignorance is bliss. I think you both would make a great couple. You sure would have a blissful relationship. First of all, good post. Second, you're probably right, I am a little bit harsh. But you know what? So are they. I lived over there for a long time, over 5 years. This is one instance where experiencing a different culture didn't so much open my mind towards a culture, but closed it. I remember very well Toshiba stealing sensitive US submarine technology and selling it to the Soviets. I remember how it was swept under the rug, and kept hush-hush. I had an immediate family member involved in the damage control on that incident. To this day I will not own a Toshiba product. And ask US companies like Honeywell and Motorola if they think I'm being too harsh on the Japanese when I say it will be amusing to watch them have to play on a level playing field for once, where they cannot get away with ripping off innovation and technology from other countries. From the looks of it, Sony isn't doing so well. They are getting thoroghly beat up by Samsung, Apple and Microsoft, to name a few. The U.S. auto industry is too far gone with bloated labor budgets to save, but my prediction is that the Japanese will quickly find themselves getting into trouble in many industries. The reason? They have to fight fair for a change. :2cents: Good Post. I have to agree with you; Japan is not at all what most people in this nation believe it to be. Going over there really opened my eyes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 :laugh: I'm plenty optimistic about technology. It's not like Japan isn't a great trading partner that will continue selling us cars (and making them in the United States). We'll all be driving hybrids soon enough; there's nothing wrong with the fact that most of them will be Japanese brands.The real U.S. engineering breakthrough of the day is IBM's fluid immersion research that will allow 30nm components using DUV technology: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/20/technology/20chip.html ...we might not own the alternative energy market, but everyone's still using Microsoft Windows and Intel processors... except for those using linux and AMD processors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. Some of you seem to actually think an Oil man would want alternative energy sources. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'm glad you gave it some thought. Just in case you didn't know, and only hear what you want to hear from the liberal news media.....John Kerry blew nothing but hot air during his whole campaign. Blowing hot air is the Democrats solution to the country’s oil addiction. Kerry is a practitioner of progress and it’s great to see that you are in tune with him. But still, Bush is full of crap here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Two things I think that would help drive the hybrid revolution would be a hybrid hemi and a hybrid Mercedes or BMW. Until it is cool and cheap to drive Hybrids the impact will be minimal at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. Some of you seem to actually think an Oil man would want alternative energy sources. :laugh: What's funny is your ignorance. Who do you think is best equipped to provide alternative energy? Who do you think is planning on generating and selling you hydrogen? :doh: Big Oil Doesn't Hate Hydrogen: http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05092705.htm Oil Company Investment in Fuel Cells & Hydrogen - a Review http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/FuelCellToday/IndustryInformation/IndustryInformationExternal/IndustryInformationDisplayArticle/0,1588,763,00.html Two of the bigger players... http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=hydrogen-en http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=4453&contentId=7004951 Pop Quiz. Which president has provided the most funding for alterative energy? http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/presidents_initiative.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Well... Not to play both sides. Alot of this efficiency stuff is real no-brainer stuff (adding a glazing wall and a tree to the south side of a building-- amazing how much money you'll save). Americans never really had to worry about before. I mean energy is so abundant why worry about resources? I was just impressed that George Bush even mentioned buildings. Green designs are given so little attention concurrently and are going to be so invaluable in the next three decades. Agreed. I was talking about the solar cells themselves though. Currently they just don't produce enough power per square foot and the good ones are very expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 actually i was making fun of "you'll become a little power generator in your home..." as if the comment was refering to a person, not the home's energy source. hence the matrix comment... :doh:fyi...i spent a couple of summers as an undergrad living in a solar powered home in AZ that sold excess electricity to the power company. Cool. Sorry I took it the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Two things I think that would help drive the hybrid revolution would be a hybrid hemi and a hybrid Mercedes or BMW. Until it is cool and cheap to drive Hybrids the impact will be minimal at best. Better yet... http://www.h2carco.com/home.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdowwe Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 However we come up with new sources of energy, Im just happy there is optimism of getting off foreign oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 What's funny is your ignorance. Who do you think is best equipped to provide alternative energy? Who do you think is planning on generating and selling you hydrogen? :doh: Big Oil Doesn't Hate Hydrogen: http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05092705.htm Oil Company Investment in Fuel Cells & Hydrogen - a Review http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/FuelCellToday/IndustryInformation/IndustryInformationExternal/IndustryInformationDisplayArticle/0,1588,763,00.html Two of the bigger players... http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=hydrogen-en http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=4453&contentId=7004951 Pop Quiz. Which president has provided the most funding for alterative energy? http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/presidents_initiative.html I can't believe you wasted all that time to link propaganda from the big oil companies, let alone the fact that you buy into it. Fool.com? Are you kidding? And no, I didn't bother to register. Oil companies want $$$ and they don't give a crap about the environment. What they do care about is PR and they seem to have at least impressed some people but some of us expect actual results, not a bunch of talk and throwing money at the problem. This is a token effort. :pooh: Let's try using some actual "sources" and see what we come up with: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57151-2004Oct23.html This article talks about how Bush would not support large increases in mileage in favor of small increases. http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-04/features/bush-vs-kerry-on-science/ This article talks about how hydrogen would not hit the streets for another 10 years if it is feasable at all, so when Bush says his goal is 6, he is blowing smoke. more :pooh: Then a raucous row arose over releasing the names of participants in a task force convened by Vice President Dick Cheney to develop a national energy policy. Environmental organizations contend the task force was a cozy cabal of energy-industry representatives meeting in violation of federal sunshine laws. Bush, secretly planning his energy policy with with big oil? Never happened, right? Here they are after the recent price gouging scam they successfully pulled off in the wake of Hurrican Katrina: Bush===> :chestram: <====CEO of Exxon. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 However we come up with new sources of energy, Im just happy there is optimism of getting off foreign oil I would be right there with you if I thought there was a shred of likelyhood for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drockvb Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 "On the verge of Big Breakthrough in energy"??????? The big breakthrough will be how to make all this affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I can't believe you wasted all that time to link propaganda from the big oil companies, let alone the fact that you buy into it. Fool.com? Are you kidding? And no, I didn't bother to register. Oil companies want $$$ and they don't give a crap about the environment. What they do care about is PR and they seem to have at least impressed some people but some of us expect actual results, not a bunch of talk and throwing money at the problem. This is a token effort. :pooh: Let's try using some actual "sources" and see what we come up with: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57151-2004Oct23.html This article talks about how Bush would not support large increases in mileage in favor of small increases. http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-04/features/bush-vs-kerry-on-science/ This article talks about how hydrogen would not hit the streets for another 10 years if it is feasable at all, so when Bush says his goal is 6, he is blowing smoke. more :pooh: Bush, secretly planning his energy policy with with big oil? Never happened, right? Here they are after the recent price gouging scam they successfully pulled off in the wake of Hurrican Katrina: Bush===> :chestram: <====CEO of Exxon. :helmet: I have personaly met experts in hydrogen research. Have you? I have personaly been inside a hydrogen research facility. Have you? You are the one posting propaganda. Not I. I have spent hundreds of hours researching the subject. I have hundreds of links on file, if you would like me to post them you can do the same. The hydrogen economy is coming. It's inevitable. According to the Clean Air Research Institute - University of Miami, Total conversion to a hydrogen economy will occur by the year 2074. This timeline assumes current awareness of the benefits of hydrogen as an energy carrier as well as a corresponding level of infrastructure and research development. The assumed rate of conversion can be accelerated by improved awareness, government support, and increased profitability for hydrogen based businesses. Energy theorist and systems analyst Cesare Marchetti observed in 1976 that the time it takes a major new technology to go from 1% to 99% was between 50 to 100 years, Marchetti theorized that "all this is linked to the learning process at the societal and individual level". According to Marchetti "the spreading of a new technology always follows the rule of penetrating first small favorable eco-niches, aquiring force and momentum for the next step." Hydrogen has already penetrated many small eco-niches... http://www.jadoopower.com/ http://www.nuvera.com/markets/industrial.php http://www.generalhydrogen.com/ And for the start of your education, you can go here... http://www.hydrogenus.com http://www.hydrogennow.org/ http://www.hydrogen.gov/ http://www.eere.energy.gov/RE/hydrogen.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Better yet... http://www.h2carco.com/home.html ...or available right now: http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C6560/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 ...or available right now:http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C6560/ Cool! :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I have personaly met experts in hydrogen research. Have you? I have personaly been inside a hydrogen research facility. Have you?.... Hydrogen has already penetrated many small eco-niches... http://www.jadoopower.com/ http://www.nuvera.com/markets/industrial.php http://www.generalhydrogen.com/ And for the start of your education, you can go here... http://www.hydrogenus.com http://www.hydrogennow.org/ http://www.hydrogen.gov/ http://www.eere.energy.gov/RE/hydrogen.html hmmm.... I'm gonna go ahead and make the call and say that Mad Mike won that debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LApunkrocker72 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Ignorance is bliss. I think you both would make a great couple. You sure would have a blissful relationship. Ha, ha. Real funny. When you say ignorance is bliss, you should look at yourself in the mirror. :doh: The L.A. punk group NOFX on Dubya: "Somewhere in Texas, there is a village without its idiot." I couldn't agree with that more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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