joeken24 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, FrFan said: The pickings is getting slim for Kirk. Cleveland: Joe Thomas later says in an interview that he doesn't see Kirk coming to Cleveland. Cleveland FO passed on a trade for him last year and has alluded to wanting to go young and not wanting to spend the money. Plus they're not a "winning" team. Jaguars: Just signed Blake to long term deal. Denver: Drafted a QB (Paxton Lynch) in the first round. He's been hurt and hasn't played much. The Broncos also lack cap space. Paxton didn't look bad against the Chiefs last year. The remaining teams is the Jets and maybe the Vikings. Both teams will need to decide if they can win with less than what Kirk is demanding. Bridgewater among others will demand less for comparable talent. Or maybe Kirk takes less. I believe teams will bring the price down by holding out since there is no longer a "sweepstakes" surrounding Kirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I think you're right. That Vikings situation will be one to watch, for sure. Two of those QBs will definitely be gone, and I'm really interested in seeing which team decides to take a chance on Bradford, given his injury history. Jets? Broncos? And then there's also Tyrod Taylor, who's not going to return to the Bills. A lot of dominoes could start falling, and adversely affect Cousins' options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKskins Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, skinzplay said: I think you're right. That Vikings situation will be one to watch, for sure. Two of those QBs will definitely be gone, and I'm really interested in seeing which team decides to take a chance on Bradford, given his injury history. Jets? Broncos? And then there's also Tyrod Taylor, who's not going to return to the Bills. A lot of dominoes could start falling, and adversely affect Cousins' options. So you're saying Kirk would benefit from locking his future up before the dominoes start falling.... Yet we're repeatedly being told that Kirk has absolutely no incentive whatsoever to agree to a tag and trade which is the only way he can access the market early. Hmmmm. So I wonder if some of those people who were saying that anyone believing a tag was on the table are idiots etc are beginning to re-think their position somewhat? It's still not likely, but the situation is really kicking Kirk in the nuts right now. He'd be an idiot if he wasn't considering working something before the situation twists further against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Oh I wasn't thinking about the tag. I was just wondering about how the Vikings QB situation (and how it unfolds) will affect Cousins' options for where he ends up. Maybe teams would be willing to take a shot with Bradford, Taylor, Bridgewater at much lower cost than signing Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKskins Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, skinzplay said: Oh I wasn't thinking about the tag. I was just wondering about how the Vikings QB situation (and how it unfolds) will affect Cousins' options for where he ends up. Maybe teams would be willing to take a shot with Bradford, Taylor, Bridgewater at much lower cost than signing Cousins. I know, but it's an interesting point to consider... Kirk was seen as the major stumbling block to the tag and trade, but there are scenarios that make it favourable to him, and one of those seems to be playing out at the moment. If I was Kirk I would definitely be considering whether that was the move to make or not. The dominoes are falling so early this season that it may be the only way he gets a deal he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, UKskins said: So I wonder if some of those people who were saying that anyone believing a tag was on the table are idiots etc are beginning to re-think their position somewhat? It's still not likely, but the situation is really kicking Kirk in the nuts right now. He'd be an idiot if he wasn't considering working something before the situation twists further against him. No, for all we know conversations could be taking place behind the scenes. Like McCartney to Elway, we’re coming - don’t pick up Bruce’s calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKskins Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: No, for all we know conversations could be taking place behind the scenes. Like McCartney to Elway, we’re coming - don’t pick up Bruce’s calls. Which would be tampering no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, skinzplay said: I think you're right. That Vikings situation will be one to watch, for sure. Two of those QBs will definitely be gone, and I'm really interested in seeing which team decides to take a chance on Bradford, given his injury history. Jets? Broncos? And then there's also Tyrod Taylor, who's not going to return to the Bills. A lot of dominoes could start falling, and adversely affect Cousins' options. I'm figuring that the Viking would try to keep two. Keenum and Bradford for one starter one backup Keenum and Bridgewater for if Keenum turns out to be a flash in the pan and they have to bench him Bridgewater and Bradford if they lose Keenum and want a competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 The Sloter kid is still on the Vikings roster, too. Maybe they think they can further develop him? Or maybe he'll be the primary backup to whoever they keep around as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 KIrk's slowly getting squeezed. It would be hilarious if his goal to get a contract signed that sets the standard for future QBs backfires. Suddenly, getting tagged by us may not be a bad idea for him, and come out when there are bigger vacancies at QB. When Cleveland doesn't want you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: No, for all we know conversations could be taking place behind the scenes. Like McCartney to Elway, we’re coming - don’t pick up Bruce’s calls. No doubt conversations will be going on. The QB market is shaking itself out already. As for McCartney, well he's in danger of leaving Kirk high and dry at this rate. The best thing he could do right now have a rethink on his hardline approach. 3 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: KIrk's slowly getting squeezed. It would be hilarious if his goal to get a contract signed that sets the standard for future QBs backfires. Suddenly, getting tagged by us may not be a bad idea for him, and come out when there are bigger vacancies at QB. When Cleveland doesn't want you..... Yep, he sure is getting squeezed. About time we had some more tangible news on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, UKskins said: Which would be tampering no? I’m sure it’s not legal. But I’m also sure it happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: Yep, he sure is getting squeezed. About time we had some more tangible news on this one. Agree. We may need to do it ourselves. Compile all the available names and vacancies, teams set to draft a QB early in round 1, the QBs coming out and can they start their rookie year.... run the probabilities and see where he ends up. Dare I think teams are slowly wising up and looking around the league, and seeing the viability of successfully using young QBs in the past ~10 years. But it seems like the Jets are all in for him, but Kirk does not seem like a NY type of guy to me. I would like to see Minny play hardball and only offer a reasonable contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I wouldn't rule out the Broncos. Lynch looks like a bust or at the very least, a big time project still. But their cap issues are...well, an issue. Kirk should focus on the Vikings. With him they're the favorites in the NFC next year along with the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: KIrk's slowly getting squeezed. It would be hilarious if his goal to get a contract signed that sets the standard for future QBs backfires. Suddenly, getting tagged by us may not be a bad idea for him, and come out when there are bigger vacancies at QB. When Cleveland doesn't want you..... Not gonna happen. Keep dreaming There's a team somewhere that will sign him. Now tyhe shrinker the market get, the more stupid we look. If Kirk fails to land a contract quickly (which I sincerly doubt), what will we looked like for having rushed a trade for someone while waiting was our best option? We won't look great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreZorn Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wildbunny said: Not gonna happen. Keep dreaming There's a team somewhere that will sign him. Now tyhe shrinker the market get, the more stupid we look. If Kirk fails to land a contract quickly (which I sincerly doubt), what will we looked like for having rushed a trade for someone while waiting was our best option? We won't look great... You can’t deny that the fact teams seem to be looking elsewhere is a bit of a validation that Kirk is what he is. A good QB 8-12 not worth the ridiculous number he and his agent were looking for. If he settles for a lower number, it validates nothing other than the fact we weren’t idiots to bend over backwards to meet his contract demands. I would’ve loved him back but not at a number that would compromise the rest of the team. And by all accounts, that’s what he wanted...at least from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wildbunny said: Not gonna happen. Keep dreaming There's a team somewhere that will sign him. Now tyhe shrinker the market get, the more stupid we look. If Kirk fails to land a contract quickly (which I sincerly doubt), what will we looked like for having rushed a trade for someone while waiting was our best option? We won't look great... Been seeing these ridiculous lists of options people are convinced teams will choose, leaving Kirk no place to sign, for a while now. But when we've reached the point where it's being suggested Denver is too happy with Paxton Lynch to go after Cousins, you know we're beyond the realm of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, HardcoreZorn said: You can’t deny that the fact teams seem to be looking elsewhere is a bit of a validation that Kirk is what he is. A good QB 8-12 not worth the ridiculous number he and his agent were looking for. If he settles for a lower number, it validates nothing other than the fact we weren’t idiots to bend over backwards to meet his contract demands. I would’ve loved him back but not at a number that would compromise the rest of the team. And by all accounts, that’s what he wanted...at least from us. See it as a half empty/ half full kind of situation if you like it most. But I'm not saying we were idiots for not meeting his demands last years. But that we'll be idiots for not playing the waiting game. You can have fun and check my posting history from last year, I camed up with the theory that 2017 was a bad year of us to negotiate and that 2018 was a better one, because of a better QB crop coming through the draft, and a bunch of other QB having to renegotiate that will help settle the market and gives us a better idea of what Kirk is really worth. I could have followed Bruce going with this kind of thinking and playing the waiting game. He would have looked smart. But the guy rushed ASAP to sign another QB, and trade the barn for him. While that same QB in the trading block would have helped him negotiating... That's why I believe we'll look like fools in the end (casual I believe...) 3 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said: Been seeing these ridiculous lists of options people are convinced teams will choose, leaving Kirk no place to sign, for a while now. But when we've reached the point where it's being suggested Denver is too happy with Paxton Lynch to go after Cousins, you know we're beyond the realm of reason. Yeah or that the Giants, Bills, Saints, or anybody else like the Dolphins will do something crazy to sign him... We're far from having seen the last episode of this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joeken24 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, skinzplay said: I think you're right. That Vikings situation will be one to watch, for sure. Two of those QBs will definitely be gone, and I'm really interested in seeing which team decides to take a chance on Bradford, given his injury history. Jets? Broncos? And then there's also Tyrod Taylor, who's not going to return to the Bills. A lot of dominoes could start falling, and adversely affect Cousins' options. Let us not mention AJ McCarron who is now a free agent a team could pick up for $19 millionish. That's probably the price for most of the listed QBs below. So here's the market: Brees (who will probably resign, but....) Cousins Bradford Keenum Tayor McCarron Bridgewater Possibly Foley QBs coming out in the draft There are not many teams in 2018 that absolutely need QBs. Out of the list above, only Brees is a tier one QB. The rest are tier two. Some may say Cousins is the best of the good. The problem is, you can get the other "goods" for a lot less. One other team out there is the Cardinals. They have a new head coach and no QB (Carson Palmer retired). But like Peterson of the Cardinals said about Kirk request for top dollar: “He can make every throw that you need a quarterback to make,” Peterson has played against Cousins three times and intercepted a pass in the Cardinals’ victory in 2016. Acquiring Cousins won’t be cheap. He’s expected to command a deal worth at least $25 million a year. “Yeah, that’s tough but we’ll see what happens,” Peterson said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: No doubt conversations will be going on. The QB market is shaking itself out already. As for McCartney, well he's in danger of leaving Kirk high and dry at this rate. The best thing he could do right now have a rethink on his hardline approach. Yep, he sure is getting squeezed. About time we had some more tangible news on this one. This scenario would be the ultimate win for Bruce. But, if Bruce decides to tag him, then he'll be putting the Redskins in jeopardy. As teams are getting other QBs signed, slowly but surely Cousins big payday dream is turning into a nightmare. If he gets tagged and no one opts for a trade for him, this team will be in Saturday Night Live skits. IMO the best thing is to not tag him; if he was so highly sought after, why didn't any team jump on him day 1 ? Because other teams can get a lot more help with the money; Kirk can't do it by himself as he's proven here, so its not in their best interest to blow up the bank for him. Let him sit, no tag, no nothing; him and his agent can play Monopoly all season for all I care. He's left a bitter taste in many Redskin fans' mouths, and I'd think Cousins would fire his agent if he doesn't get signed. Then maybe Cousins can go see a specialist to find a way to draw out all of the smoke his agent blew up his ass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, HardcoreZorn said: You can’t deny that the fact teams seem to be looking elsewhere is a bit of a validation that Kirk is what he is. A good QB 8-12 not worth the ridiculous number he and his agent were looking for. If he settles for a lower number, it validates nothing other than the fact we weren’t idiots to bend over backwards to meet his contract demands. I would’ve loved him back but not at a number that would compromise the rest of the team. And by all accounts, that’s what he wanted...at least from us. The only FACTS that we have are that there is still almost three weeks until FA starts. Teams are doing what they do every year at this time, positioning themselves to get what they can in FA and the draft. Some of the supposed key players for Cousins (all speculation by the media and fans,mind you) are preparing for a bidding war, and some know that they don't have the capital to participate. Some are making moves to prepare for a plan B, which is what all good organizations do, hence why the Redskins never did until it was too late. Another FACT is that there has never been a QB of KC's caliber, youth, and injury-free history allowed to hit FA in the league since FA started. Regardless of whether fans pretending to be a GM on message boards think he is worth a certain amount or not, the FACT is that he is the rarest of rare commodities in the NFL, and there are many teams that would love to have a shot. The smart teams just realize that they need to be ready if they don't get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 That Blake Bortles quote floating around being pointed towards Cousins is the rock bottom for the AntiKirk contingent. I’m sure Blake Bortles is counting his lucky stars that Jacksonville extended him. If they hadn’t he’d be making less money, competing at best for a starting spot elsewhere. The market was never worried about about Bortles setting it. The other thing I find funny in all this, is that if Kirk’s market really does end up around 25M, the Redskins actually look worse for making the move for Alex Smith. I’m not sure how it’s a win for Bruce or the fans if he ends up making less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said: That Blake Bortles quote floating around being pointed towards Cousins is the rock bottom for the AntiKirk contingent. I’m sure Blake Bortles is counting his lucky stars that Jacksonville extended him. If the hadn’t he’d be making less money, competing at best for a starting spot elsewhere. The market was never worried about about Bortles setting it. I was at the Anti-Kirk Contingent convention, It certainly was a quote voted as most likely to hurt his feelings. LiveLOOK: From the floor of the convention.... 4 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: That Blake Bortles quote floating around being pointed towards Cousins is the rock bottom for the AntiKirk contingent. I’m sure Blake Bortles is counting his lucky stars that Jacksonville extended him. If they hadn’t he’d be making less money, competing at best for a starting spot elsewhere. The market was never worried about about Bortles setting it. The other thing I find funny in all this, is that if Kirk’s market really does end up around 25M, the Redskins actually look worse for making the move for Alex Smith. I’m not sure how it’s a win for Bruce or the fans if he ends up making less money. I meant to hit send, hahhaa, there is no way out of this for Bruce to look good....time to bite it and move on....just don't even explain it, you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 2 hours ago, HardcoreZorn said: You can’t deny that the fact teams seem to be looking elsewhere is a bit of a validation that Kirk is what he is. A good QB 8-12 not worth the ridiculous number he and his agent were looking for. Should be interesting, Grant Paulsen who arguably knows Kirk more than any media member and has said he's spoken about him numerous times about the contract -- Grant is the dude who has said for months Kirk is willing to give a discount to a winning franchise but not to the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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