Next Day Thread: Ho Ho Hoooooooooaaahhhh no! They Almost Beat the Jets

[Hazel-Ra]

3 hours ago, MartinC said:

I certainly hope so. Make this dirty feeling I have (being happy that that the comeback effort failed) worth it for the long game.

Edited December 25, 2023 by Hazel-Ra
“ Feels like a complete tear down and rebuild.”

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, Redd said:

Beginning of the season I really thought this was a first round exit playoff team .😅

I thought the defense would be bare minimum good. 
 

If you told me it would be this bad, there’s no way I would have believed you. 

[Hazel-Ra]

1 hour ago, Redd said:

Beginning of the season I really thought this was a first round exit playoff team .😅

This is a masterclass in gallows humour right here. I salute you.

[Voice_of_Reason]

58 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Well the Patriots look like they are going to beat the Broncos. The #3 overall is very much in play.

Nit sure what all transpired but I just saw the last second FG and the failed last play.  
 

But the Pats won.  
 

So yeah.  That’s helpful.  

49 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Williams/Maye/Daniels/MH jr. We’re guaranteed one of them.

If we don’t screw it up and beat Dallas.  
 

Also, one of the 2 best LTs is also available.  
 

Though unless they decide to go the Brissett + rebuild the entire roster route, I can’t imagine they don’t go QB with the top pick.  

[Warhead36]

I dont think were capable of beating anyone right now. We got lit up by Trevor freaking Simien. The Dolphins backups scored on us. Cowboys backups will beat our behinds.

[mac8887]

5 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Nit sure what all transpired but I just saw the last second FG and the failed last play.  
 

But the Pats won.  
 

So yeah.  That’s helpful.  

If we don’t screw it up and beat Dallas.  
 

Also, one of the 2 best LTs is also available.  
 

Though unless they decide to go the Brissett + rebuild the entire roster route, I can’t imagine they don’t go QB with the top pick.  

That's why I would really like to see brisett play these last 2 games, just to see if that is a viable option. It would be nice to get our lt or wr1 with the 1st rounder then maybe grab penix, nix, or McCarthy to sit and learn for a year or 2. If we could get one in the second there wouldn't be as much pressure to start right away. I don't know though, with the pats winning, we might have a chance at staying pat for williams maye or daniels. The other thing is even if brisset continues to play lights out, I doubt that would be enough to warrant keeping eb around. So many tough decisions for the next fo

[Voice_of_Reason]

5 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

That's why I would really like to see brisett play these last 2 games, just to see if that is a viable option. It would be nice to get our lt or wr1 with the 1st rounder then maybe grab penix, nix, or McCarthy to sit and learn for a year or 2. If we could get one in the second there wouldn't be as much pressure to start right away. I don't know though, with the pats winning, we might have a chance at staying pat for williams maye or daniels. The other thing is even if brisset continues to play lights out, I doubt that would be enough to warrant keeping eb around. So many tough decisions for the next fo

Brissett is not the long term answer.  
 

If we’re picking in the top 3 it’s got to be a QB. 
 

They have to fix the OL.  But it’s rare you pick that high, if you have the shot you take it if you like the player. 

7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I dont think were capable of beating anyone right now. We got lit up by Trevor freaking Simien. The Dolphins backups scored on us. Cowboys backups will beat our behinds.

I hope to God you’re right.  
 

If actually fire Ron right now to make damn sure we don’t play anybody capable of winning from here on out.  
 

And I’d find a reason to IR Allen, Payne, McLaurin, Rodriguez and Robinson.  
 

I’d play Fromm and give him the opportunity. 
 

Ensure there is no possible way you screw this up. 

[88Comrade2000]

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

We’re an expansion team next year

Yeah baby.  Get rid of everyone.

 

Yeah, it will be a rough couple of years but build the team right and we can have a decade of winning before the next rebuild.

[justice98]

I think next year's QBs should be the draft pick, Brissett as the backup and Howell can be the 3rd QB.  But if they somehow miss out on the top 3 guys, I dont know what they do.  They could be left with Howell again if Brissett walks and there's no draft pick starter type.

 

As for the game, yet another example of how EB has failed Howell by not leaning on the running game earlier.  He only goes to it in crisis when they get behind.  

 

We were only able to get back in the game because A) Semien is terrible, and B ) the Jets had way too many penalties.  14 for 150 is obscene.  

 

I'm gonna cut the defense a little slack (just a little) because the Jets were getting possession deep on our side of the field.  But they couldnt get any pressure on Semien.  They are desperate for an edge rusher.  

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Watching the highlights of Flacco today, and you can see the veteran confidence that is only earned via live reps in real games.  The question isn’t can these cagey vets win you games, it’s how long does it last.  If Jacoby starts these next two and is competitive, and worse - wins a game - I’ll be furious.   I suspect that won’t be an issue though.

[88Comrade2000]

Trade Allen. You should get a 2nd rounder at least.  Trade Terry. He’s a good #2 receiver. Let him go somewhere to experience winning.

[markmills67]

Merry Christmas to you all from overseas in Bolton,  England. 

 

By the way Harris 

 

Tell Ron to sit our best players for the last 2 games.

 

 

[DWinzit]

8 hours ago, KDawg said:

I’d argue we know what we have.

 

OL: only one worth salvaging is Cosmi. Stromberg gets a pass. Daniels is red shirted. 

 

Tight End: Nothing for the long term.

 

RB: BRob and Rodriguez.

 

WR: McLaurin & Dotson

 

QB: Howell potentially as depth

 

DL: Henry, Jones

 

LB: Jamin. Hudson as depth.

 

S: Forrest, Quan

 

CB: Uh.

 

Everyone else is a FA… essentially. Or they aren’t worth keeping long term. 

I'd put Payne on the list too.

Hudson is a FA.

But everyone needs to remember we have TE Armani Rogers is back. Once he went down our 2023 season was lost 

[KDawg]

Ya, I mean, if we’re top 3 it almost has to be QB. And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t even particularly love the top 3 in the class. 
 

The only other option is a trade back. There is an outside shot that it’s Marvin Harrison, Jr. Otherwise, the large percentages say that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are going to be Commanders. 
 

The more interesting development is how the rest of the draft is then handled. If we can get Beebe, Fuaga and Powers Johnson… that is a successful draft. I somehow doubt it… but that would be ridiculous for the offense. 

1 minute ago, DWinzit said:

I'd put Payne on the list too.

Hudson is a FA.

But everyone needs to remember we have TE Armani Rogers is back. Once he went down our 2023 season was lost 

I actually did the list of the full team under contract next year in one of these threads last night. 
 

We wouldn’t be very good

[DWinzit]

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

The more interesting development is how the rest of the draft is then handled. If we can get Beebe, Fuaga and Powers Johnson… that is a successful draft. I somehow doubt it… but that would be ridiculous for the offense. 

Now that being pulled off would be amazing. It would probably take some trading down but yes! 

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I actually did the list of the full team under contract next year in one of these threads last night. 
 

We wouldn’t be very good

Yup I just found it before you responded and Yes, we would suck 

[justice98]

7 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I dont think were capable of beating anyone right now. We got lit up by Trevor freaking Simien. The Dolphins backups scored on us. Cowboys backups will beat our behinds.

 

I would exactly call that getting lit up.  Semien was terrible.  

[El Mexican]

8 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Brissett is not the long term answer.  
 

If we’re picking in the top 3 it’s got to be a QB. 
 

They have to fix the OL.  But it’s rare you pick that high, if you have the shot you take it if you like the player. 

I hope to God you’re right.  
 

If actually fire Ron right now to make damn sure we don’t play anybody capable of winning from here on out.  
 

And I’d find a reason to IR Allen, Payne, McLaurin, Rodriguez and Robinson.  
 

I’d play Fromm and give him the opportunity. 
 

Ensure there is no possible way you screw this up. 

 

You're right VoR, much to my chagrin.

 

The last two games have made it easy for the new regime to select a QB. That O-line won't fix itself, though.

 

I'm sensing they ship Howell and keep Brisset after drafting a new stud QB. Brisset starts the first 8 games and then lends the O to the new kid.

[method man]

17 minutes ago, El Mexican said:

 

You're right VoR, much to my chagrin.

 

The last two games have made it easy for the new regime to select a QB. That O-line won't fix itself, though.

 

I'm sensing they ship Howell and keep Brisset after drafting a new stud QB. Brisset starts the first 8 games and then lends the O to the new kid.

Couple things:

 

1) Depends on who the QB pick is. If it is Drake, you keep Sam. They are close friends and Sam, being the pro he is, will likely go out of his way to help Drake adapt to the NFL. Different college OC but Sam can help Drake figure out the things to focus on with the UNC to pros leap (ex footwork)

 

2) I am not really interested in having someone start a few games before the rookie takes over. I want the rookie getting nearly all first team reps in the offseason 

2 hours ago, DWinzit said:

I'd put Payne on the list too.

Hudson is a FA.

But everyone needs to remember we have TE Armani Rogers is back. Once he went down our 2023 season was lost 

You joke but Armani has a very good shot at being the move TE next year. He was doing stuff in 2022 that TEs usually don’t do like run reverses

[method man]

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Ya, I mean, if we’re top 3 it almost has to be QB. And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t even particularly love the top 3 in the class. 
 

The only other option is a trade back. There is an outside shot that it’s Marvin Harrison, Jr. Otherwise, the large percentages say that Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels are going to be Commanders. 
 

The more interesting development is how the rest of the draft is then handled. If we can get Beebe, Fuaga and Powers Johnson… that is a successful draft. I somehow doubt it… but that would be ridiculous for the offense. 

I actually did the list of the full team under contract next year in one of these threads last night. 
 

We wouldn’t be very good

I would be happier with one penciled in rookie starter and a couple quality FAs as plugged in starters at C and LG. Unless it is coming in FA, I would be disappointed if one of the second round picks was not used on a big X receiver, especially in a class this deep

[The Hangman- C_Hanburger]

9 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Brissett is not the long term answer.  
 

If we’re picking in the top 3 it’s got to be a QB. 
 

They have to fix the OL.  But it’s rare you pick that high, if you have the shot you take it if you like the player. 

I hope to God you’re right.  
 

If actually fire Ron right now to make damn sure we don’t play anybody capable of winning from here on out.  
 

And I’d find a reason to IR Allen, Payne, McLaurin, Rodriguez and Robinson.  
 

I’d play Fromm and give him the opportunity. 
 

Ensure there is no possible way you screw this up. 

Like the Eagles did with Hurt against us...but Noooooo...we can't be that smart

[veteranskinsfan]

I read an article this week that some of the divas on the Eagles are not getting along with each other.  Hope the Giants win tonight.  Of course always enjoy seeing Dallas lose too.

Maybe for these last games we should call our team the Dreadedskins?

[Voice_of_Reason]

21 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said:

Like the Eagles did with Hurt against us...but Noooooo...we can't be that smart

Exactly.  They did what they needed to in order to secure the best situation for them long term. 

[method man]

42 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

I read an article this week that some of the divas on the Eagles are not getting along with each other.  Hope the Giants win tonight.  Of course always enjoy seeing Dallas lose too.

Maybe for these last games we should call our team the Dreadedskins?

This is the downside to having someone like a Diggs or AJ Brown in your locker room when things aren’t going well. They used most of their extra draft capital up. I expect their D will be better next season with Patricia or someone else as DC but not sure how easy it will be for them to shore up their back 7. I also expect some of their older veterans such as Kelce, Graham and Cox to start retiring in the next season or two

[El Mexican]

13 hours ago, method man said:

Couple things:

 

1) Depends on who the QB pick is. If it is Drake, you keep Sam. They are close friends and Sam, being the pro he is, will likely go out of his way to help Drake adapt to the NFL. Different college OC but Sam can help Drake figure out the things to focus on with the UNC to pros leap (ex footwork)

 

2) I am not really interested in having someone start a few games before the rookie takes over. I want the rookie getting nearly all first team reps in the offseason 

 

That would be awesome indeed. Selecting a top-caliber QB that starts right away.

 

If Drake lands here then let the best man win. Everything points to a rebuilding season anyway.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Top 3 picks do not compete with another guy on a rookie deal.