THE COMMANDERS SHOULD COPY THE EAGLES CAP PHILOSOPHY

[CPA_MM]

The Commanders Should Copy the Eagles in Cap Strategy

 

The Eagle cap strategy is the following: If the quarterback can take the team to the Super Bowl, modify existing player contracts with void years and backloading to create extra cap space. Use this cap space to acquire more high-priced player contracts using void years to lower cap charges. The dead cap problem can be delayed six seasons or more- worry about it later.

 

Over the last three years, the Eagle dead cap write-off was almost 3-times higher than the Commanders - $186M to $69M.

 

The Eagles are pulling out all salary cap gimmicks (void years) to gain a competitive advantage over the competition. Compare the Eagle's opening cap to the Commanders in early September. (Data from OverTheCap contract files)

 

• The Eagles have eleven players with contracts = > paying their players on average $10M of more per year. (APY)—the Commander's five.

 

• The Eagles had $5M of cap space with contracts worth $277M (APY). The Commanders had $2M of cap space with contracts worth $218M (APY).

 

• The Eagle cap charge on contracts that cost $59M (APY) more than the Commanders is $26M less.

 

• The highest 15 paid Eagles players - 13 had contracts with void years. The amount of cap assigned to void years was $327M. Of the 15 highest-paid Commander players, only four had contracts with void years amounting to $21M.

 

• The cap charge on the top 15 Eagle contracts was 53% of the contract value, and the Commanders 87% of the contract value.  

 

• The Eagle quarterback (Hurts) has a contract worth $43.2M and a cap charge of $6.1M. The Commander quarterback (Brissett, replaced by Howell) has a contract worth $8M with a cap charge of $8.5M- $2.4M higher than Hurts.

 

• Eagle AJ Brown- APY contract $20.8M- cap charge $8.3M. Commander Logan Thomas contract APY $6.6M, cap charge $8.7M. And on and on and on.

 

• The Eagles have signed all 15 of their highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap charge of 40% more. The Commanders have signed ten of their 15 highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap increase of 60%.

 

The use of void years on Eagle contracts is one major reason they’re successful.

 

Six or more seasons from now, the Eagles may have a salary cap problem, but until then, they can chase the Super Bowl. If you are okay with artificially manipulated contracts to gain a competitive advantage over other clubs, then the current system is the system for you.

COMMANDERS V EAGLES.pdf

[Tarpon75]

Seems like they( Eagles) are getting away with circumventing the current system. Mara and NFL heavily sanctioned and penalised Washington for less egregious violations around 10 years ago. Supposedly Washington circumvented the cap during a two year period when there was no salary cap.Maybe I'm looking at it totally the wrong way and Philly has figured out a correct strategy. However, you have to have an owner who is willing to spend the money to make that work.Not sure if Harris is going to be willing or is in a position to do that.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Tarpon75

[Fan since a Fetus]

Thanks for the thoughtful thread. I’m a basic **** when it comes to numbers. So, I’ll follow this thread and try to learn. 

 

 Is this similar to what Washington did for a long time? Overpaying high priced free agents and working the contracts so the hit came in later years? Obviously our selection of players wasn’t as good as the current crop of Eagles. We just didn’t have the experienced professionals in charge of making the player acquisitions. 

 

Also, this is a question for everyone in general……Didn’t Lurie also take part in going after us and the Cowboys? It was just to a slightly lesser extent than Mara. Maybe food for thought when we bash Mara constantly. Maybe we should be throwing shade at Lurie as well. 

[CPA_MM]

The Eagles are not circumventing the current system. The current system charges the cap based on the contract. So the Eagles last year signed a player to a one year- $14M fully guaranteed contract. Only $4M hit the cap because of void years on the contract. End void years having cap assigned would be a start.

 

[DiscoBob]

2 hours ago, Tarpon75 said:

Seems like they( Eagles) are getting away with circumventing the current system. Mara and NFL heavily sanctioned and penalised Washington for less egregious violations around 10 years ago. Supposedly Washington circumvented the cap during a two year period when there was no salary cap.Maybe I'm looking at it totally the wrong way and Philly has figured out a correct strategy. However, you have to have an owner who is willing to spend the money to make that work.Not sure if Harris is going to be willing or is in a position to do that.

 

I won't pretend to be a cap expert, but there is a significant difference between what we did to "earn*" that cap penalty vs what the Eagles are doing now.

 

The current eagles strategy is well within the rules, and used by multiple teams.  It wouldn't put us at risk of penalties...

 

 

 

* Through BS collusion

Edited November 11, 2023 by DiscoBob

[NoVaSkins21]

Let's get a GM like the Eagles first and then we'll talk cap philosophy

[Tarpon75]

17 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

 

I won't pretend to be a cap expert, but there is a significant difference between what we did to "earn*" that cap penalty vs what the Eagles are doing now.

 

The current eagles strategy is well within the rules, and used by multiple teams.  It wouldn't put us at risk of penalties...

 

 

 

* Through BS collusion

And I am positively not a cap expert either, I guess if it is that common of practice it must be within the cap framework provided by the NFL. I guess it still bugs me that the Redskins were penalised so harshly  when there was no cap in place. They were penalised for violations of the "spirit of the cap "

[Est.1974]

We use voidable years as well.

[Commander PK]

34 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

 

 

 

The current eagles strategy is well within the rules, and used by multiple teams.  It wouldn't put us at risk of penalties...

 

* Through BS collusion

This is still a sore subject with me when it gets brought up.  I still want to know how you can have violated a “salary cap” when there is NO “salary cap”. The whole thing still defies common sense.

 

One of the biggest off the field screw jobs in NFL history

[DiscoBob]

7 minutes ago, Commander PK said:

This is still a sore subject with me when it gets brought up.  I still want to know how you can have violated a “salary cap” when there is NO “salary cap”. The whole thing still defies common sense.

 

One of the biggest off the field screw jobs in NFL history

 

 

The fact that these penalties were effectively horse trades between the league and the players union to get a cap increase the next year is infuriating.

 

We were screwed by both the league and the PA (who, on principle, should have been on our side).

 

All that said, the voidable years technique discussed here really has nothing to do with our having been screwed in that situation.

[skinsfan66]

4 hours ago, CPA_MM said:

The Commanders Should Copy the Eagles in Cap Strategy

 

The Eagle cap strategy is the following: If the quarterback can take the team to the Super Bowl, modify existing player contracts with void years and backloading to create extra cap space. Use this cap space to acquire more high-priced player contracts using void years to lower cap charges. The dead cap problem can be delayed six seasons or more- worry about it later.

 

Over the last three years, the Eagle dead cap write-off was almost 3-times higher than the Commanders - $186M to $69M.

 

The Eagles are pulling out all salary cap gimmicks (void years) to gain a competitive advantage over the competition. Compare the Eagle's opening cap to the Commanders in early September. (Data from OverTheCap contract files)

 

• The Eagles have eleven players with contracts = > paying their players on average $10M of more per year. (APY)—the Commander's five.

 

• The Eagles had $5M of cap space with contracts worth $277M (APY). The Commanders had $2M of cap space with contracts worth $218M (APY).

 

• The Eagle cap charge on contracts that cost $59M (APY) more than the Commanders is $26M less.

 

• The highest 15 paid Eagles players - 13 had contracts with void years. The amount of cap assigned to void years was $327M. Of the 15 highest-paid Commander players, only four had contracts with void years amounting to $21M.

 

• The cap charge on the top 15 Eagle contracts was 53% of the contract value, and the Commanders 87% of the contract value.  

 

• The Eagle quarterback (Hurts) has a contract worth $43.2M and a cap charge of $6.1M. The Commander quarterback (Brissett, replaced by Howell) has a contract worth $8M with a cap charge of $8.5M- $2.4M higher than Hurts.

 

• Eagle AJ Brown- APY contract $20.8M- cap charge $8.3M. Commander Logan Thomas contract APY $6.6M, cap charge $8.7M. And on and on and on.

 

• The Eagles have signed all 15 of their highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap charge of 40% more. The Commanders have signed ten of their 15 highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap increase of 60%.

 

The use of void years on Eagle contracts is one major reason they’re successful.

 

Six or more seasons from now, the Eagles may have a salary cap problem, but until then, they can chase the Super Bowl. If you are okay with artificially manipulated contracts to gain a competitive advantage over other clubs, then the current system is the system for you.

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Send in your resume to the new front office?  Eagles also seem to run the comp pick thing to the max to get extra picks. If the eagles have a top comp pick in the works they are not going to sign a big free agent to lose it, I bet they are a top team at receiving picks along with the Ravens, 49ers..... This year is the perfect year to sign need free agents if they are there. While not giving up any big comp picks. You may lose say Brissett's 5/6 rd.? or you collect it with no signing.  And we have the cap to sign a few good players now. Those 2 trades were just what needed to be done.  Adding picks this year instead of next with the cap savings. This offseason has everything you would want to upgrade your team no excuses.  

[Jumbo]

@CPA_MM

 

Please read rule 16 (and all our rules as you agreed to do when registering your acct.) and edit your thread title to eliminate the "all caps."  Thanks. 

[woodpecker]

In other words, we need a GM instead of letting the coach who “watched the film“ on wentz make the moves.

[SpacePenguin]

I THINK THAT THE COMMANDERS SHOULD COPY THE MAJORITY OF THE LEAGUE AND HIRE A GM THAT HANDLES THE CAP AND DECIDES WHO THE HEAD COACH IS AND THAT HEAD COACH SHOULD HIRE COORDINATORS WHO HIRE POSITION COACHES..

 

 

beep boop

Edited November 12, 2023 by SpacePenguin

[RandyHolt]

Welcome to ES,  Eugene!

[kingdaddy]

15 hours ago, CPA_MM said:

The Commanders Should Copy the Eagles in Cap Strategy

 

The Eagle cap strategy is the following: If the quarterback can take the team to the Super Bowl, modify existing player contracts with void years and backloading to create extra cap space. Use this cap space to acquire more high-priced player contracts using void years to lower cap charges. The dead cap problem can be delayed six seasons or more- worry about it later.

 

Over the last three years, the Eagle dead cap write-off was almost 3-times higher than the Commanders - $186M to $69M.

 

The Eagles are pulling out all salary cap gimmicks (void years) to gain a competitive advantage over the competition. Compare the Eagle's opening cap to the Commanders in early September. (Data from OverTheCap contract files)

 

• The Eagles have eleven players with contracts = > paying their players on average $10M of more per year. (APY)—the Commander's five.

 

• The Eagles had $5M of cap space with contracts worth $277M (APY). The Commanders had $2M of cap space with contracts worth $218M (APY).

 

• The Eagle cap charge on contracts that cost $59M (APY) more than the Commanders is $26M less.

 

• The highest 15 paid Eagles players - 13 had contracts with void years. The amount of cap assigned to void years was $327M. Of the 15 highest-paid Commander players, only four had contracts with void years amounting to $21M.

 

• The cap charge on the top 15 Eagle contracts was 53% of the contract value, and the Commanders 87% of the contract value.  

 

• The Eagle quarterback (Hurts) has a contract worth $43.2M and a cap charge of $6.1M. The Commander quarterback (Brissett, replaced by Howell) has a contract worth $8M with a cap charge of $8.5M- $2.4M higher than Hurts.

 

• Eagle AJ Brown- APY contract $20.8M- cap charge $8.3M. Commander Logan Thomas contract APY $6.6M, cap charge $8.7M. And on and on and on.

 

• The Eagles have signed all 15 of their highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap charge of 40% more. The Commanders have signed ten of their 15 highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap increase of 60%.

 

The use of void years on Eagle contracts is one major reason they’re successful.

 

Six or more seasons from now, the Eagles may have a salary cap problem, but until then, they can chase the Super Bowl. If you are okay with artificially manipulated contracts to gain a competitive advantage over other clubs, then the current system is the system for you.

COMMANDERS V EAGLES.pdf 34.96 kB · 4 downloads

Holy ****....you're hired. Don't be a stranger, we have a great need for your expertise.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

11 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

We use voidable years as well.

Very rarely.  
 

But the reason the Eagles basically have $400m of dead cap already on the books in 2029 (that’s an exaggeration) is they are chasing SBs now.  They have a good, young QB and their window is now.  
 

They know they have 2-3 more years then they’re going to have to pay the piper.  

 

But it’s worth it if they can get a ring.  

[Est.1974]

4 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Very rarely.  
 

But the reason the Eagles basically have $400m of dead cap already on the books in 2029 (that’s an exaggeration) is they are chasing SBs now.  They have a good, young QB and their window is now.  
 

They know they have 2-3 more years then they’re going to have to pay the piper.  

 

But it’s worth it if they can get a ring.  

Its ’very rarely’ for us based on circumstances, not a lack of willingness to adopt that approach. We added voidable years most recently to Leno’s contract as a means to open up a small margin of cap space now. 
 

If we start to engage is more sizeable contracts, spend more, and actually become competitive I’m sure we’ll see more of this tactical approach in salary cap management.

[philibusters]

We use void years.   In terms of should we be as aggressive as the Eagles in using void years, I don't think we should right now because our team is not in a position to really contend for a Super Bowl.  But lets say we finish this year and go 9-8, then go 11-6 the next year and Howell is really coming on.  They we may want to be more aggressive to really open a four or five year window of having some great teams.

[shakinaiken]

Eh, just wait for another uncapped season, and dump all of the unsuccessful contracts then.

 

Definitely worked last time 

[Rufus T Firefly]

The Eagles are spending to win now because they are Super Bowl contenders. Do you really need it explained to you why Washington isn't in the same situation as they are?

 

Borrowing from future years  to prop up a mediocre team in the present, in essence mortgaging the future to try to win games while not a contender is exactly the strategy this franchise has employed for the past quarter century. 

 

Basically you are saying "Sure Dan Snyder is gone, but can we please not abandon his brilliant organizational philosophy?"

2 hours ago, shakinaiken said:

Eh, just wait for another uncapped season, and dump all of the unsuccessful contracts then.

 

Definitely worked last time 

Would have, if that is what we had actually done. 

[Veretax]

On 11/11/2023 at 6:49 AM, CPA_MM said:

The Commanders Should Copy the Eagles in Cap Strategy

 

The Eagle cap strategy is the following: If the quarterback can take the team to the Super Bowl, modify existing player contracts with void years and backloading to create extra cap space. Use this cap space to acquire more high-priced player contracts using void years to lower cap charges. The dead cap problem can be delayed six seasons or more- worry about it later.

 

Over the last three years, the Eagle dead cap write-off was almost 3-times higher than the Commanders - $186M to $69M.

 

The Eagles are pulling out all salary cap gimmicks (void years) to gain a competitive advantage over the competition. Compare the Eagle's opening cap to the Commanders in early September. (Data from OverTheCap contract files)

 

• The Eagles have eleven players with contracts = > paying their players on average $10M of more per year. (APY)—the Commander's five.

 

• The Eagles had $5M of cap space with contracts worth $277M (APY). The Commanders had $2M of cap space with contracts worth $218M (APY).

 

• The Eagle cap charge on contracts that cost $59M (APY) more than the Commanders is $26M less.

 

• The highest 15 paid Eagles players - 13 had contracts with void years. The amount of cap assigned to void years was $327M. Of the 15 highest-paid Commander players, only four had contracts with void years amounting to $21M.

 

• The cap charge on the top 15 Eagle contracts was 53% of the contract value, and the Commanders 87% of the contract value.  

 

• The Eagle quarterback (Hurts) has a contract worth $43.2M and a cap charge of $6.1M. The Commander quarterback (Brissett, replaced by Howell) has a contract worth $8M with a cap charge of $8.5M- $2.4M higher than Hurts.

 

• Eagle AJ Brown- APY contract $20.8M- cap charge $8.3M. Commander Logan Thomas contract APY $6.6M, cap charge $8.7M. And on and on and on.

 

• The Eagles have signed all 15 of their highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap charge of 40% more. The Commanders have signed ten of their 15 highest-paid players to 2024 with a cap increase of 60%.

 

The use of void years on Eagle contracts is one major reason they’re successful.

 

Six or more seasons from now, the Eagles may have a salary cap problem, but until then, they can chase the Super Bowl. If you are okay with artificially manipulated contracts to gain a competitive advantage over other clubs, then the current system is the system for you.

COMMANDERS V EAGLES.pdf 34.96 kB · 5 downloads

isn't this exactly how Vinney Cerrato used to do it?  just without the 'voided years?'

[Warhead36]

Drop lol

 

I effing hate our wrs

Burning a TO when the clock is stopped LMAO these coached man