Moving Towards our Future Front Office and Coaching Hires. All the Way to the Water Boy - Adam Peters Hired as GM! The Mighty Quinn is HC Kliff Kingsbury as OC. Joe Whitt jr at DC.

[88Comrade2000]

The team becomes a consistent winner and having some stars and those sales will perk up.

 

If one is waiting for a rebrand before purchasing any merchandise; it will be a long wait and one that might not happen at all.   If this group decides to rebrand, it won’t happen until a new stadium is under construction. Since you will want to know whether we are Commanders or something else, when putting that into the stadium.

 

 

Since a stadium is likely 3 -4 years away before even construction starts.

[Skinsinparadise]

10 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I couldn’t care less about Ron or Thor.  
 

Ron’s gone.

 

Thor’s an idiot.

 

Any questions?

 

 

You of all people who on a dime years after Jay left would write an encyclopedia trashing Jay including some not that long ago -- would have issues with a little trashing of Ron less than 6 months after he's gone is very ironic. 

 

I know you care a lot about being able to trash Jay any time you can many years after he left, that's hard to miss, you still aren't over it.  Conversely, you don't care about trashing Ron.  That's cool.  But that's you.

 

If Jay said send me my SB ring when my roster wins a SB, and there was an article about how little of his roster was left -- less than 6 months later, you'd put up 15 posts on it let alone shrug and say who cares.   

 

Different strokes-different folks.  You got your targets.  Others have different targets. And its tough for me to think of many posters more passionate about trashing their targets than you.  That's the reason some of us can remember them related to you -- they are emotional and persistent posts.  That's cool.  But I gather the focus needs to be on your targets.  If they aren't on your list, leave them alone?😉

 

Edited May 7 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

Standig, hopefully Gribble stays, have heard for years he's really good at his job

 

 

[skinsfan66]

Last year's draft was a wakeup call for me and I bet a lot of fans.  We were going to go with the QB we drafted, no more castoffs from other teams. Then the season started and went downhill from there. Reality set in, halfway threw the season the players that were drafted and FA's were mistakes per what was needed, the coaches did not help things and the ship was sinking. By the time the season ended Ron needed to go down with his ship. 

[woodpecker]

11 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

The team becomes a consistent winner and having some stars and those sales will perk up.

 

If one is waiting for a rebrand before purchasing any merchandise; it will be a long wait and one that might not happen at all.   If this group decides to rebrand, it won’t happen until a new stadium is under construction. Since you will want to know whether we are Commanders or something else, when putting that into the stadium.

 

 

Since a stadium is likely 3 -4 years away before even construction starts.

If they wait that long, it will never happen at all. The longer they wait the harder it’s going to be. I agree with you though, it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen anytime soon and I don’t think it’s ever going to happen at this point. The new owners seem content to settle for the C word, and it’s a shame. Guess I’ll have to wear my Darryl green Redskins jersey forever, because the thought of sporting a Dan-ders jersey is repulsive to me. For those of you who want people to move on from the old name, then give us something we can live with or even be proud of. Anything but Snyder’s hand-picked 💩

[Skinsinparadise]

Listening to Logan Paulsen do a roster preview, great listen.

 

I don't always agree with Logan but he's a gem IMO.  I miss Cooley's takes on the team.  Cooley is more colorful and entertaining than Paulsen.   But Logan is really detailed and does his homework.

 

He's been somewhat all over the place on the past coaching regime but I get it they were his bosses at the time so you can't really level them.  He somewhat defended their off season work last year at the O line and TE and I didn't agree with him at the time or now about that.

 

But he also would take some shots.  Among others, he talked about this coaching staff being outcoached by some others and did so in real time back then, especially the Giants coaching staff and ironically also referenced them being outcoached by Quinn.  And talked back then about how dudes like Micah Parsons wouldn't likely be as good here because Quinn's creativity brings the best out of him -- and alluded to their being not much creativity with Washington's coaching staff.

 

In his last podcast, he slipped in that he expects major progress from some players and said the feeling from some players he knows is this wasn't a well coached team in the context of developing players.  So he thinks some players might evolve with the current coaching staff.

 

Actually in the player survey that was released, the roster at the time ranked Ron and the coaching staff as the 2nd worst in the league.

 

And lol, this isn't me taking shots to take shots at Ron.  Logan talked about this yesterday, maybe he should just forget about it and move on?   Is it completely irrelevant?  I think its plenty relevant for the same reason that Logan brought it up which is expect some serious player development this year.  Will see.

 

 

Edited May 7 by Skinsinparadise

[Xameil]

On 5/2/2024 at 11:17 PM, Koolblue13 said:

Wait until he starts dating a billionaire pop music star!

That would be better then one of our past players being persued by a porn star...

[Skinsinparadise]

20 minutes ago, woodpecker said:

If they wait that long, it will never happen at all. The longer they wait the harder it’s going to be. I agree with you though, it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen anytime soon and I don’t think it’s ever going to happen at this point. The new owners seem content to settle for the C word, and it’s a shame. Guess I’ll have to wear my Darryl green Redskins jersey forever, because the thought of sporting a Dan-ders jersey is repulsive to me. For those of you who want people to move on from the old name, then give us something we can live with or even be proud of. Anything but Snyder’s hand-picked 💩

 

Coming from someone who doesn't care about the name one way or another.  I still think it happens.

 

Keim who seems to have some inkling about what this ownership is thinking -- said before this off season he doesn't expect it to happen this off season but he seemed to suggest maybe afterwards.   Trying to recall what reporter said this but I think it was Keim who said more or less this ownership doesn't like to half-speed any task. 

 

If they do it they go full out.  Hence the comeback to the hit said by some that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.  From what I gathered they feel like they have enough balls in the air right now.  But I suspect they eventually will get to this too.

 

I do think though an underrated aspect of lack of merchandise sales is what jersey are people buying?  People rushing to get their Emmanuel Forbes and Ricky Stromberg after the draft?  Or Wylie after FA.

 

Bruce and Ron weren't just incompetent but also were very boring.    Nothing worse I think from a marketing standpoint to be both "meh" and boring.  I recall Odell Beckham saying after he left the Giants that he kept their brand-fans interested even when they were losing and there is value to that.  This team didn't have that Beckham during the losing.  

 

Daniels if he lights it up, I think might change this dynamic.  Will see.

 

 

Edited May 7 by Skinsinparadise

[CommanderInTheRye]

21 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Coming from someone who doesn't care about the name one way or another.  I still think it happens.

 

Keim who seems to have some inkling about what this ownership is thinking -- said before this off season he doesn't expect it to happen this off season but he seemed to suggest maybe afterwards.   Trying to recall what reporter said this but I think it was Keim who said more or less this ownership doesn't like to half-speed any task. 

 

If they do it they go full out.  Hence the comeback to the hit said by some that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.  From what I gathered they feel like they have enough balls in the air right now.  But I suspect they eventually will get to this too.

 

I do think though an underrated aspect of lack of merchandise sales is what jersey are people buying?  People rushing to get their Emmanuel Forbes and Ricky Stromberg after the draft?  Or Wylie after FA.

 

Bruce and Ron weren't just incompetent but also were very boring.    Nothing worse I think from a marketing standpoint to be both "meh" and boring.  I recall Odell Beckham saying after he left the Giants that he kept their brand-fans interested even when they were losing and there is value to that.  This team didn't have that Beckham during the losing.  

 

Daniels if he lights it up, I think might change this dynamic.  Will see.

 

 

 

 

I'm visualizing a dual same day announcement, as early as next off season--

 

Josh Harris pimp walks to the podium, wearing hi heeled gators, a sparkling pinkie diamond ring, blackout shades, and an Al Davis style custom fit leather jacket  and says, "I'm proud to announce that the RFK stadium sight, soon to be renamed "The Wolf's Den", will be the new home of the Washington Red Wolves!"

 

Edited May 7 by CommanderInTheRye

[redskinss]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Actually in the player survey that was released, the roster at the time ranked Ron and the coaching staff as the 2nd worst in the league.

That's funny when you think about it, how do you conduct this poll and get honest results without stepping on some toes.

 

It's like, we polled a hundred husband's and the results are in, Mary is the worst wife out of the 100.

Well Mary's husband is gonna have some explaining to do isn't he!

[woodpecker]

48 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Coming from someone who doesn't care about the name one way or another.  I still think it happens.

 

Keim who seems to have some inkling about what this ownership is thinking -- said before this off season he doesn't expect it to happen this off season but he seemed to suggest maybe afterwards.   Trying to recall what reporter said this but I think it was Keim who said more or less this ownership doesn't like to half-speed any task. 

 

If they do it they go full out.  Hence the comeback to the hit said by some that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.  From what I gathered they feel like they have enough balls in the air right now.  But I suspect they eventually will get to this too.

 

I do think though an underrated aspect of lack of merchandise sales is what jersey are people buying?  People rushing to get their Emmanuel Forbes and Ricky Stromberg after the draft?  Or Wylie after FA.

 

Bruce and Ron weren't just incompetent but also were very boring.    Nothing worse I think from a marketing standpoint to be both "meh" and boring.  I recall Odell Beckham saying after he left the Giants that he kept their brand-fans interested even when they were losing and there is value to that.  This team didn't have that Beckham during the losing.  

 

Daniels if he lights it up, I think might change this dynamic.  Will see.

 

 

Thanks man, I hope you’re right! Been quite some time since we’ve heard a peep out of Keim about it. Gonna be a lot of Daniels jerseys sold in the meantime, making things more complicated. Seems like this is something the marketing department could already be working on, as far as figuring out what name would be most popular with fans at this point. I wouldn’t take five minutes out of the owners’ busy schedule just to make a comment about it, so I’m guessing they are at best undecided about it. To me the more time that goes by the less likely they are to do it. Hope I’m wrong.

 

I think Terry is a worthy jersey purchase among current/recent players—great player and person. I thought about looking for one without the name, but decided I don’t want to spend a penny on merchandise until this is settled. Meaningless gesture I know but I’m voting with my wallet on this.

42 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

I'm visualizing a dual same day announcement, as early as next off season--

 

Josh Harris pimp walks to the podium, wearing hi heeled gators, a sparkling pinkie diamond ring, blackout shades, and an Al Davis style custom fit leather jacket  and says, "I'm proud to announce that the RFK stadium sight, soon to be renamed "The Wolf's Den", will be the new home of the Washington Red Wolves!"

 

Yes this would be great!!!

[MartinC]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

In his last podcast, he slipped in that he expects major progress from some players and said the feeling from some players he knows is this wasn't a well coached team in the context of developing players.  So he thinks some players might evolve with the current coaching staff.

 

It demonstrably wasn't a well coached team in any aspect. Player development, scheme, game planning in game play calling, in game use of personnel to create or avoid matchups, in game adjustments. Flat bad across the board. 

 

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Actually in the player survey that was released, the roster at the time ranked Ron and the coaching staff as the 2nd worst in the league.

 

 

 

 

I think thats generous. I cant think which coaching staff would have been worse - maybe Carolina. Maybe.

[Chump Bailey]

1 hour ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

"The Wolf's Den"

 

A little to close for comfort to the 'Wolf's Lair' and would never fly

[Spearfeather]

Rales said " We're going to do some testing ".

If that happens., there will be a change.

I think it's as simple as that. 

I don't think they'll wait five or six years to do it.

 

I imagine there will be some kind of ceremony for Darrel Green at one of the games, this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the " Gibbs uniforms " for that game. Crowd goes ape**** as the team runs out the tunnel. Rales and Harris look at each other and smile, both of them thinking " We need to incorporate this somehow ".

And the process begins.

 

 

[CommanderInTheRye]

11 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

A little to close for comfort to the 'Wolf's Lair' and would never fly

 

 

Hey, a man is still allowed to dream in this crazy mixed up world, aint he? 🤪

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, MartinC said:

 

It demonstrably wasn't a well coached team in any aspect. Player development, scheme, game planning in game play calling, in game use of personnel to create or avoid matchups, in game adjustments. Flat bad across the board. 

 

I think thats generous. I cant think which coaching staff would have been worse - maybe Carolina. Maybe.

 

Yeah hearing an actual employee of the team at the time, Logan Paulsen talk about how with this coaching staff Micah Parsons wouldn't be the Parsons we know.  Talking about how vanilla the schemes were compared to other teams.  Him flat out saying the Giants have better coaches and outwitted Washington coaches. 

 

And now the other day mentioned hearing how poorly some players felt this team was coached up and developed players.  That's some heavy duty stuff considering the source.  And Logan of course says it all nicely with no bitterness but he's thrown some daggers at his old employers.

 

As for how its related to now.  I'll stick with Paulsen who thinks very highly of Quinn as for his coaching style both in terms of creativity and building a culture -- that's quite the contrast if so to what we had.

 

Coaching alone should bring 2-3 more wins. 

Edited May 7 by Skinsinparadise

[CommanderInTheRye]

JP Finlay previews Friday's upcoming rookie mini-camp.

 

 

Gg

 

[Skinsinparadise]

On topic

 

 

[CommanderInTheRye]

24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

On topic

 

 

 

 

I think our overall game plan for year one of the Daniels era, is to focus on playing solid takeaway defense combined with a consistent running game on offense.

 

So that we won't be put in positions where we get behind quickly and are forced to rely on the passing game-- and our less than stellar o-line for protection.

 

They'll likely use Jayden's arm and running ability judiciously, so as to lessen the pressure on the young man, as he adjusts to the pro game.

 

Essentially, the exact opposite strategy of what our former dynamic duo, of Rivera and Bienemy, asked of Howell last season.

 

.

 

 

Edited May 7 by CommanderInTheRye

[Jumbo]

I've posted enough about my take on Ron the HC from day one and throughout his devolution, football wise, from poor to atrocious during his tenure.

 

But regarding the roster aspect specifically, I'm thinking of the (generalized) camps most regs here fell into on that matter as of his last year.

 

One, a medium sized group that includes me, thought less than half the roster were average or better NFL players, and that we had maybe three to five "upper tier" players total on both sides of the ball with arguably zero "elite" players. Payne, Terry, or Allen were close to elite, but not quite there.

 

Then there was a fairly sizeable group who thought the roster wasn't that bad though def needed serious improvement. 

 

And there were a few who thought the roster had enough talent on it that coaching changes and a new QB would do a lot and that the roster didn't need to actually be "blown up."

 

I think the moves being made echo that "group one" position. The roster was that bad, coaching aside.

 

No doubt competent coaching will help a few become worth keeping, but it needed to be blown up.

 

Love that they aggressively did just that, starting in free agency, and we will see a fair number of even more signings before they're done.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

I thought the roster was so so with some promising prospects heading into 2022 and was thinking Ron would take it up a notch in 2023.  But I thought his last off season was a disaster. Other teams got better, this team was sliding in contrast.  I predicted 8-9.  But lol it was a lot worse than that. 

 

No doubt this current FO and coaching staff thought this was a bad roster and blew it up. 

 

It's going to be basically a brand new team in 2024.

 

When we got Doug Williams, super nice guy, of all people mocking Ron's "culture change" we know that not everyone in that building thought highly of the job that Ron did.

Edited May 7 by Skinsinparadise

[wit33]

Just now, Jumbo said:

I've posted enough about my take on Ron the HC from day one and throughout his devolution, football wise, from poor to atrocious during his tenure.

 

But regarding the roster aspect specifically, I'm thinking of the (generalized) camps most regs here fell into on that matter as of his last year.

 

One, a medium sized group that includes me, thought less than half the roster were average or better NFL players, and that we had maybe three to five "upper tier" players total on both sides of the ball with arguably zero "elite" players. Payne, Terry, or Allen were close to elite, but not quite there.

 

Then there was a fairly sizeable group who thought the roster wasn't that bad though def needed serious improvement. 

 

And there were a few who thought the roster had enough talent on it that coaching changes and a new QB would do a lot and that the roster didn't need to actually be "blown up."

 

I think the moves being made echo that "group one" position. The roster was that bad, coaching aside.

 

No doubt competent coaching will help a few become worth keeping, but it needed to be blown up.

 

Love that they aggressively did just that, starting in free agency, and we will see a fair number of even more signings before they're done.

 

 

 

I was all in on the defense coming into last year; it's unreal how that unit performed. The regression to being among the league's worst is wild. Completely wrong on my part.

 

Group one definitely won out, no doubt. Most rosters turn over a great deal depending on the year and the team's situation, but it's still quite telling that Washington is among the league leaders in roster turnover at this point in the offseason.
 

It's quite telling that most of the standout players were from the regime before Ron took over. I expect new names to emerge as cornerstone players for Washington as soon as next year. While all the roster turnover is interesting, it's crucial to identify not only great and elite players league-wide but also those within the team’s own ranks.

[88Comrade2000]

Ron built nothing.  The most strongest players on the roster were from before he got here. The remaining players on the roster from his era will have to prove it this year , assuming they get out of camp, in order to be part of Quinn's core for the future. If they don't, they won't be on the roster in 2025.

[FootballZombie]

6 hours ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

Josh Harris pimp walks to the podium

 

I for one will judge his lean. If your gonna pimp walk, you better PIMP walk.

 

I wanna see the entirety of his body weight being supported by a fancy cane that is slightly too small for his frame.

 

 

Then you gotta have a random person just standing next to the podium for him to level w/ a backhand after the conclusion of his message just to show the world that he keeps his pimp hand strong.

 

Edited May 7 by FootballZombie

[Ghost of]

Instead of a ring they should send Ron an itemized bill.