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seantaylor=god

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2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Last ditch effort to sell Laporta (who may be the only offensive guy I'd take at 47 that isn't a OL (basing on BPA, even)

 

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Now, some context.

 

The Iowa offense was the among the worst offenses in the 2022 collegiate season. They were 123rd of 131 in scoring. 

 

They completed roughly 15 passes per game for 13 games. They completed 192 passes.

 

LaPorta had 58 receptions.  That is 30.2% of the Iowa Hawkeyes total receptions. 

 

The Hawkeyes had 2,037 total passing yards in 2022. LaPorta had 32.2% of their total receiving yards. A THIRD of their ENTIRE passing offense went through him.

 

Imagine what this animal could do with players around him that are competent. 

 

He was productive in his young years and improved in nearly every category every season as well.

 

I rest my case.

 

 

Super productive? Yes.

 

What about athleticism? Yep.

 

Not a huge guy but not small at 6’3 245.

 

A lot to like there.

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sam-laporta/32004c41-5064-0235-3970-b5e5514839fc

 

 

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Skinsinparadise

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As for the TEs.  IMO

 

1. Mayer

2. Darnell Washington -- Laporta -- a tie for me

3.  Musgrave-Kraft -- a tie for me.

 

I doubt they do it because its not their top need.  But I'd love any of these 4 for different reasons.   Washington was higher for me in the past but don't like some of the rumbilings about him this week. 

 

Here are some of the TE stats for those interested.

 

 

 

 

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Devon Achane would be a blast.  He's the closest thing in this draft to Jahmyr Gibbs. 

 

He's the fastest RB in this class.  Explosive.  He's not just an outside zone RB but can run in between the tackles, too.  He has good hands -- can catch the ball.

 

He's a big play waiting to happen.  Not that it matters but if they took him he quickly be the best selling jersey on this team.

 

can return kicks

 

I am shocked but in a good way that he's on Keim's list.

 

He had the highest Wonderlic among the top RBs in this class.  

 

 

 

 

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Jimbo Fisher explains why Devon Achane's versatility will extend far beyond his speed in NFL

For coach Jimbo Fisher, who managed Achane for multiple seasons on offense, the decision to draft him high in the 2023 NFL Draft should be a no-brainer. He’s just too versatile to pass up on.

“Well he’s a matchup problem, just like we used him,” Fisher said. “We used him and you get him in punt return, kick return, put him in space on an underneath option route. But then he has the unique ability for a running back, most running backs, if you get into his world, are option (route-runners).

“But he has the ability to really catch the deep ball, not just because of his speed, but his athleticism and natural ball skills down the field. And then he’s going to be a running back. Devon’s going to be a three-down guy, and people don’t realize that.”

Fisher lavished praise on his former running back throughout his meeting with the media following the Pro Day.

He broke down the various ways that Achane will fit into the modern-day NFL.

“The way the NFL is now with the situations and the diversity, he’ll excel in that game up there,” Fisher said. “You could think, every year for us he caught 30-something passes every year he played. He was a 30-something catch guy with 1,000 yards every year. That’s a lot of touches, but you can create that with him where you get him touches where you don’t get him beat up inside.”

Devon Achane versatility on full display

Devon Achane’s versatility is apparent enough when you turn on the tape, but Fisher revealed a few things about him that you might have to do a true deep dive to find out otherwise.

“I’m going to tell you you go back and watch, he’s a good pass-blocker,” Fisher said. “He is a tough, he’s physical, he understands how to do that. And the thing about Devon why he’ll be able to do that, the most undertalked about thing about him, he’s highly intelligent. He’s a very easy guy to coach and picks things up very easily. Football makes sense and he’s a very smart guy.”

Fisher thinks he’ll be used in a multitude of ways and he’s likely to be successful in most. The Texas A&M coach said he’s already comparable to several NFL backs.

“He’s right there with all of them,” Fisher said. “He’s a three-down, he can block, he can run between the tackles. That’s the underestimated thing about him, you don’t realize how strong he is and natural balance and body control. Everybody sees him as a track guy, but if you ever watch him, he runs with great patience. A lot of track guys sometimes always want to show their speed. Devon doesn’t show it till he has to.

“He has great natural patience to do it, he catches the ball out of the backfield, he learns very well and he’s also a tremendous kick returner. He can be a dynamic kick returner on kickoffs and things and take them back. He can do everything that the modern day game does, and I think he’ll be a great pro, I really do.”

 

https://www.on3.com/college/texas-am-aggies/news/jimbo-fisher-raves-about-devon-achane-versatility-at-texas-am-pro-day/

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31 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I watched a lot of Musgrave this week.   He has a great catch radius and seperates well.  But he's not a physical player at all.  One of the worst YAC numbers in this group.  When he has the ball he's so easy to bring down.

 

 

After our chicken legs CB in the 1st, this is absolutely who we draft at TE. This team just does things no other team does!

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2 minutes ago, UK Skins said:

 

After our chicken legs CB in the 1st, this is absolutely who we draft at TE. This team just does things no other team does!

Tonight will be very interesting, I think they will reach for an OL. I hope they prove me wrong.

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Corners who don’t take the ball away are worthless in todays NFL. A bit of hyperbole, but not too far off, IMHO. If your corner doesn’t take the all away he’s a JAG. 
 

Ron was looking for a TO specialist not just CB. Much like the NBA having a great 3 and D player is a game changer. Sure, having a wing defender who defends at a high level is good, but if he can knock down the 3 ball he become invaluable. 

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23 minutes ago, UK Skins said:

 

After our chicken legs CB in the 1st, this is absolutely who we draft at TE. This team just does things no other team does!

 

Yeah while I like Musgrave.  I don't get why above Mayer, Washington, Laporta?  with Washington there might be other reasons off the field so I'll take him out of this.  

 

Mayer is a much more physical player, better red zone player, better hands, better blocker -- he's not killer as a YAC guy but still a better YAC guy than Musgrave. 

 

LaPorta is a break tackle fiend with the ball in his hands, YAC.  He's IMO a better seperator on the first level.  Musgrave is the better seperator on the 2nd level.  Both so so blockers.  

 

Musgrave and Kuntz and Shoonmaker are similar players.  Tall-lanky, good catch radius, good speed for their size and seperate well especially on the 2nd level.  But they aren't physical players -- not as blockers, not with the ball in their hands and not as to contested catches.  Good hands -- not great hands.  Shoonmaker IMO is the better blocker and better hands of the three but isn't as explosive as the other 2. 

 

The thing that hits me about Musgrave where i can see the fit is he sort of looks like Kelce when he gets open on tjhe 2nd level -- mostly in between the numbers -- sort of that typical hole that opens when you play cover two.  

 

11 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Trying to get a trade done. Either with them or ahead of them so a QB goes and their guy has a better chance of being there is my guess.

 

I hope Harris polls the fans before every pick and just runs with it.  :ols:

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IMO Musgrave is far better at getting separation than any other TE on the board. He is a seam destroyer. And a serious threat from just outside the red zone. The injury history is a concern obviously. And is the reason he is still on the board. Mayer is going to end up a possession receiver in the NFL. He will not be a deep threat at the next level. And that is fine if thats what you want your passing game to look like. We will be passing down the field under Bieniemy. We need a Kelce type TE for his offense. Musgrave is probably the closest thing to that in this draft. A late round honorable mention would be Wyle IMO.

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2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

 

 

Ah, the 2nd round. This is our bread and butter baby!! Check out this list of every 2nd round pick in the Snyder era. I love watching the masters at work!

 

2022: Phidarian Mathis

2021: Sam Cosmi

2020: -

2019: -

2018: Derrius Guice

2017: Ryan Anderson

2016: Su’a Cravens

2015: Preston Smith

2014: Trent Murphy

2013: David Amerson

2012: -

2011: Jarvis Jenkins

2010: -

2009: -

2008: Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly

2007: -

2006: Rocky McIntosh

2005: -

2004: -

2003: Taylor Jacobs

2002: Ladell Betts

2001: Fred Smoot

2000: -

 

 

Jesus H. Christ

 

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2 minutes ago, Conn said:


So compared to the village idiot what’s that, like the county idiot, or barony idiot? 

 

I'm partial to county :)

 

I think it would have been a value pick and I do like Howell a lot and Jacoby. I guess I'm going against the grain yet again with the Pros. Levis is not another Drew Lock, who also fell to the 2nd IIRC. Levis is way more talented and I would have pulled the trigger.

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13 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

IMO Musgrave is far better at getting separation than any other TE on the board. He is a seam destroyer. And a serious threat from just outside the red zone. The injury history is a concern obviously. And is the reason he is still on the board. Mayer is going to end up a possession receiver in the NFL. He will not be a deep threat at the next level. And that is fine if thats what you want your passing game to look like. We will be passing down the field under Bieniemy. We need a Kelce type TE for his offense. Musgrave is probably the closest thing to that in this draft. A late round honorable mention would be Wyle IMO.

Mayer pulls double-duty by also being a top-end blocker at TE rather than being a glorified Wide Receiver.

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