JSSkinz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, PlayAction said: Peters was clear that he was setting expectations This may be the year to remove bad debt from the balance sheet. Wylie, Gates, and Thomas account for $15M in dead cap, I dont see us cutting Leno because that's another $8.3M in dead money but it's doable without deferring. We can absorb all of Ron's bad contracts and have a ton of available cap for next year. I do think the FO can be swayed by the right player and we have the means to absorb the bad debt and make a move or two. If we somehow come across a 25-27 yr old free agent who just hit his peak or is playing at a high level and has upside I could see them opening up the checkbook because it fits with the plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I am good with not blowing it all this off season start building and iif it looks good, go more aggressive next off season That’s a bit misleading isn’t it. We don’t have 90mil to spend, rather 90mil in 2024 cap space. In cash terms we are about to blow a damn sight more that’s 90mil in my option. Quinn is fired up. Jonnu Smith is very intriguing for TE. He’s been on my radar in previous free agency periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: That’s a bit misleading isn’t it. We don’t have 90mil to spend, rather 90mil in 2024 cap space. In cash terms we are about to blow a damn sight more that’s 90mil in my option. Quinn is fired up. Jonnu Smith is very intriguing for TE. He’s been on my radar in previous free agency periods. I listend to the segment with Peters. What Peters said and Grant's reaction were two entirely different things as to my interpretation. Peters basically said they can't spend all of that (implying rookie salary) and won't. And he didn't ridicule the idea of bargin basement signings. So Grant apparently clung to those 2 points alone. But he also said in that same segment, high end players signings are also in play. He also said multiple times they want to field a competitive team THIS year. So to me it was pretty balanced. I wouldn't expect Peters to say, Grant we are going to go nuts and sign only top end FAs, no one on the cheap. Edited February 28 by Skinsinparadise 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: Jonnu Smith is very intriguing for TE. He’s been on my radar in previous free agency periods. Mine too when the Pats signed him. He should be on their interest list as a vet TE FA which feels like a must this year. 24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I listend to the segment with Peters. What Peters said and Grant's reaction were two enirely different things as to my interpretation. Peters basically said they can't spend all of that (implying rookie salary) and won't. And he didn't ridicule the idea of bargin basement signings. So Grant apparently clung to those 2 points alone. But he also said in that same segment, high end players signings are also in play. He also said multiple times they want to field a competitive team THIS year. So to me it was pretty balanced. I wouldn't expect Peters to say, Grant we are going to go nuts and sign only top end FAs, no one on the cheap. I am expecting a number of signings that fit in the middle of the bargin basement and top end talent to allow them more players fitting their wants on both sides and ST capable. It is a shame the staff wasn't able to be put togather until so late. The good thing is they all have such knowledge and experience that it should make for a great off season reboot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: But he also said in that same segment, high end players signings are also in play. He also said multiple times they want to field a competitive team THIS year. Yep Quinn seems fairly clear on our level of intent too. Free agency is going to be fun I reckon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Yep Quinn seems fairly clear on our level of intent too. Free agency is going to be fun I reckon. Quinn on the Junkies right now, he's a fun listen. Suggesting he can get more out of some of the players on this roster 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Quinn on the Junkies right now…..Suggesting he can get more out of some of the players on this roster I think both you and I could get more out of some of the players on the roster than the previous crew did 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: I think both you and I could get more out of some of the players on the roster than the previous crew did Agree. We can probably give the team a pep talk too when they are getting boat raced by the Bears. When Nicki from the WP said after that Bears game the team was flat as to that locker room for the rest of the season -- that was telling as heck -- the lack of energy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: Agree. We can probably give the team a pep talk too when they are getting boat raced by the Bears. When Nicki from the WP said after that Bears game the team was flat as to that locker room for the rest of the season -- that was telling as heck -- the lack of energy. In a normal year Rivera gets fired after that game. But Im glad Harris kept him. Ensured the tank. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Still keen on Calvin Ridley, but 15-17mil per year……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: So to me it was pretty balanced. I wouldn't expect Peters to say, Grant we are going to go nuts and sign only top end FAs, no one on the cheap. We aren't going to go land the top Free Agent for like $25-30m. They way I read all this, and expect it to play out, is invest where we need upgrades. Invest big where it's a priority (OL?). So I would expect a premier OL signing. I would expect a premier LB signing. I would expect a pretty decent addition at DE. Then I would anticipate several (3-6) signings that fall in that $3-6m APY range on 1-2 year deals. So if I had to play it out / guestimate: LB Patrick Queen ($14m Per Year) OT Jonah Williams ($12m Per Year) DE Dorance Armstrong ($4m per year) DE Dante Fowler ($3m per year) S Jayron Kearse ($6m per year) TE Noah Fant ($6m per year) CB TBD Veteran ($4m per year) I suppose you could swap Armstrong for a higher paid FA like Huff, but I have a feeling htis FO would prefer to bring in guys that are good roll players and draft where they can and DE is such an important spot, we have 2 young guys, I would think Armstrong/Folwer + a 2nd or 3rd round rookie would be enough for 2024. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I dont like signing Queen. He and Davis are redundant. We need a MLB leader type. And Id rather sign a G and draft a T. LG was a huge black hole for us and there are some real good FA Gs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I dont like signing Queen. He and Davis are redundant. We need a MLB leader type. And Id rather sign a G and draft a T. LG was a huge black hole for us and there are some real good FA Gs. Well, FWIW, I think we need 2 OTs long-term. And I see a signing of a RT kicking Wylie to LG to compete with a rookie Guard. LT: Leno + 2nd Round Pick LG: Wylie + 2nd to 3rd Round pick OC: Stromberg, Gates RG: Cosmi, Paul RT: FA RT + Daniels Perfect world? All things align for us? LT: Tyler Guyton (R), Charles Leno LG: Graham Barton (R), Andrew Wylie OC: Ricky Stromberg, Nick Gates, Will Putman (R) RG: Sam Cosmi, Chris Paul RT: Mike Onwenu, Braeden Daniels This sets you up long and short term. You could release Leno OR keep everyone around to see how camp shakes out or even through 2024 and let the rookies get eased in. But going forward, you're locked and loaded across the OL and you can release and completely move on from Wylie, Leno and Gates after 2024. LT: Guyton LG: Barton OC: Stromberg, Putnam LG: Cosmi, Paul RT: Onwenu, Daniels Edited February 28 by JamesMadisonSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 We need to address C in FA as well. Gates sucks and Stromberg shouldn’t be relied upon. Would love Badusz from Dallas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 OL really is going to be a tricky one to fix. Hopefully a couple of cuts from other teams happen pre free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: OL really is going to be a tricky one to fix. Hopefully a couple of cuts from other teams happen pre free agency. I think 2024 will be a transition year. And I do not expect us to fix the holes in one off-season even with the cap space and draft picks. We'll have holes and depth issues. We have to pick our poison a bit. But I think fixing the OL will be a priority. Rookie OL will struggle early. I would expect we get one premier OL (RT) and another mid-tier type to come in and compete at either LG or C. Then draft an OT and IOL in Rounds 2 and 3. It'll be a bit piece-mealed but I think in the end it'll work out as the rookies settle in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: I think 2024 will be a transition year. And I do not expect us to fix the holes in one off-season even with the cap space and draft picks. We'll have holes and depth issues. We have to pick our poison a bit. But I think fixing the OL will be a priority. Rookie OL will struggle early. I would expect we get one premier OL (RT) and another mid-tier type to come in and compete at either LG or C. Then draft an OT and IOL in Rounds 2 and 3. It'll be a bit piece-mealed but I think in the end it'll work out as the rookies settle in. It will be a transition year in some respect, but not to that great an extent. I think we’re going all in. Getting a couple of OL in the draft in viable, free agency I’m less encouraged at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovi Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: OL really is going to be a tricky one to fix. Hopefully a couple of cuts from other teams happen pre free agency. Alot less likely to happen with the salary cap being jumped up so much. That definitely hurt us more than helped us. Hopefully the smart people in the room can use that jump to our advantage to maybe restructure, or front load a couple contracts. Edited February 28 by Lovi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said: I liked him too, KC gave him crazy money. He’ll probably get scouted by AR and the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Quinn on the Junkies right now, he's a fun listen. Suggesting he can get more out of some of the players on this roster We are about to pick #2 overall. So its hard to get worse. Seriously without hyperbole I think we had the worst coaching staff in the league last season, especially on defense. The bar has been set very low. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: It will be a transition year in some respect, but not to that great an extent. I think we’re going all in. Getting a couple of OL in the draft in viable, free agency I’m less encouraged at the minute. There are some options in free agency on O'line. But its a sellers market so they will cost. Onwenu from the Patriots at RT is a big upgrade on Wylie plus maybe Robert Hunt at G from the Dolphins (he played some T but mainly RG - he could plug in at LG for us). Both are a good age with a lot of football left. But once you get past the top 4 or 5 options you are quickly into guys on the back end of their career or JAGS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 29 minutes ago, MartinC said: There are some options in free agency on O'line. But its a sellers market so they will cost. Onwenu from the Patriots at RT is a big upgrade on Wylie plus maybe Robert Hunt at G from the Dolphins (he played some T but mainly RG - he could plug in at LG for us). Both are a good age with a lot of football left. But once you get past the top 4 or 5 options you are quickly into guys on the back end of their career or JAGS. I probably look at one OL in free agency, being the best we can get our hands on. After that, take stock for the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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