Coopskin44 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 That’s awesome signing a very good player.With all the crap going on with this team this is some great news! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Panninho said: So it's going to be tough to keep Chase and Sweat. Not sure whether I like so much money being tied up in one position but curious about the direction we take with the other two. So far Allen and Payne have earned it. So I think we worry about Sweat and Young a bit less at the moment. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, CommDownMan said: So far Allen and Payne have earned it. So I think we worry about Sweat and Young a bit less at the moment. Agreed. Neither has earned the big money deal just yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebestian Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Time for C. young to step up. I hope he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Heck yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I am awaiting all the "Why the hell did we draft Phidarian Mathis, then?!" takes lol... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 What am interested in is to see how that contract is staggered cap wise, if its a low cap hit in year 1 it could mean good things for another signing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Wrong time to suggest a new kicker ???? Eddy Pineiro Pineiro burst onto the scene for the Carolina Panthers in 2022 as he went 33 of 35 on field goals. He only attempted two from 50-plus yards but he was almost automatic up to that point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, CommDownMan said: So far Allen and Payne have earned it. So I think we worry about Sweat and Young a bit less at the moment. Not saying the other two do at this point. Just saying that it is going to be tough to keep them now, regardless of how they perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, Panninho said: Not saying the other two do at this point. Just saying that it is going to be tough to keep them now, regardless of how they perform. True. Hopefully they play well enough for us to want to keep them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Looks like this team's brick wall in the middle is set in stone. They may keep Sweat and Chase is looking like the odd man out unless he proves himself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: What am interested in is to see how that contract is staggered cap wise, if its a low cap hit in year 1 it could mean good things for another signing. I’m going to guess a 30-35mil signing bonus, low 2023 salary, year one cap hit 12mil range. Net effect about 7mil back this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, NoVaSkins21 said: Looks like this team's brick wall in the middle is set in stone. They may keep Sweat and Chase is looking like the odd man out unless he proves himself To Rivera's credit he kept saying that's what he wants to get done, he said multiple times LTC with Payne and how he regrets he didn't keep the DT tandem in Carolina. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: What am interested in is to see how that contract is staggered cap wise, if its a low cap hit in year 1 it could mean good things for another signing. Allen's 4/72, started at 8 mill hit (a bit less than half the average per year of the deal). I don't see Rivera changing the approach that much and would expect 10-12ish for a 7-9mill savings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: I’m going to guess a 30-35mil signing bonus, low 2023 salary, year one cap hit 12mil range. Net effect about 7mil back this year. It's a lot of money, right now its being played up as the 2nd highest DT contract but the devil is always in the details, how much if any of it is in incentives, etc. There is also different types of guaranteed money, forgot the term, but some types are due right away and other types are not. But one of the main values of getting a deal done in FA is to help the cap and Rivera is in a win now year IMO. Keim's next podcast should be interesting. He did say they wanted a LTC with Payne many times. But he also is firm that he doesn't believe they are going to sign a big FA, he thinks a few mid tier types but he also said he will share if that info has changed as FA approaches. Keim isn't perfect as for info but he's usually pretty close. Edited March 12, 2023 by Skinsinparadise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Payne is just entering his prime years. This DL will feast together for the next 5+ years. No excuses to not pay people when you don’t have a QB. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Warhead36 said: Payne is just entering his prime years. This DL will feast together for the next 5+ years. No excuses to not pay people when you don’t have a QB. Or when you do have a QB and he's still on his rookie contract for the next 3 years. I'm taking it as another sign that they are serious about rolling with Howell. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Andre The Giant said: The swift action here feels different than Allen and TMac. My thinking matched the thought about the sale nearing the finish line. Which is still better news than keeping Payne. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, CommDownMan said: So far Allen and Payne have earned it. So I think we worry about Sweat and Young a bit less at the moment. This right here. You pay the guys that earn it. And Payne is the best player on this defense right now. SO glad we signed him. I hope he plays with the same intensity with the new deal. I am sure he will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said: Sheehan's theory about ownership, hope he's right. There has been some talk even with the silly Lamar Jackson rumors that spending is a good sign -- its either not going to be Dan's money or another prospective owner in the mix is encouraging it. If I am a new owner I don't want to slow play this next season, I want a hot start 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy316 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 This is great news. They kept one of their premier players, and it shows that we’re serious about keeping our homegrown talent. This move tells me that we definitely will roll with Howell this upcoming season. It also makes sense to pay Payne from a financial perspective. If we’re not paying a boatload right now to a franchise QB, why WOULDN’T we pay our premier players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: It's a lot of money, right now its being played up as the 2nd highest DT contract but the devil is always in the details, how much if any of it is in incentives, etc. There is also different types of guaranteed money, forgot the term, but some types are due right away and other types are not. But one of the main values of getting a deal done in FA is to help the cap and Rivera is in a win now year IMO. Keim's next podcast should be interesting. He did say they wanted a LTC with Payne many times. But he also is firm that he doesn't believe they are going to sign a big FA, he thinks a few mid tier types but he also said he will share if that info has changed as FA approaches. Keim isn't perfect as for info but he's usually pretty close. Yeah the 60mil in guaranteed money, perhaps not all of that is fully guaranteed. Either way it’s a great statement. In terms of free agency, mid tier is fine. There are decent OL options available to us. Couple of 3/4 year 30-40mil deals if possible who lead us into the draft nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: It's a lot of money, right now its being played up as the 2nd highest DT contract but the devil is always in the details, how much if any of it is in incentives, etc. There is also different types of guaranteed money, forgot the term, but some types are due right away and other types are not. But one of the main values of getting a deal done in FA is to help the cap and Rivera is in a win now year IMO. Keim's next podcast should be interesting. He did say they wanted a LTC with Payne many times. But he also is firm that he doesn't believe they are going to sign a big FA, he thinks a few mid tier types but he also said he will share if that info has changed as FA approaches. Keim isn't perfect as for info but he's usually pretty close. I generally do a bit more offseason studying and make a list of what I would do and just didn't amp myself up this year trying to limit disappointment. I must say this does make me wonder if it will be a bit better than expected. Maybe players are also excited about the sale as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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