88Comrade2000 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: 2 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: Since this is a presidential election thread, I want the Democrats in the Senate to introduce an amendment abolishing the Electoral College and make the popular vote for President and Vice President the law. It doesn't have a snowball's chance to survive to get to a vote and certainly not in the House. We need a conversation at this level to move it forward. Let the Republicans explain why an outdated system that was to appease the South slave holding states is still relevant when every other election is popular vote based. This is the Election 24 thread. Obviously, the Presidential race is the big one but all races in 24 can be discussed here. Even the local dog catcher race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 In that vein... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 How the hell does NEW YORK have a pro-GOP map? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: How the hell does NEW YORK have a pro-GOP map? I believe they were redrawn before the 2022 election by someone out of State that a NY State judge chose. It greatly favored the GOP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: How the hell does NEW YORK have a pro-GOP map? Cracking and packing, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 'Electile dysfunction': DeSantis' flailing campaign ruthlessly mocked by Financial Times columnist Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign is still flailing despite the fact that his top rival, former President Donald Trump, has been indicted twice on dozens of felony charges. Given this, Financial Times columnist Edward Luce has written a column gleefully mocking DeSantis and diagnosing him with a case of "electile dysfunction." One problem DeSantis has, argues Luce, is that he is trying to sell himself as the more competent version of Trump without aggressively criticizing Trump's missteps for fear of angering the former president's base. "Disbanding this cult cannot be done by focus group or contrived positioning," he writes. "You have to slay the dragon or die trying. In this regard, DeSantis has it all wrong. His pretense at being a macho man — indeed a fearless superhero — is belied by his instinct to tiptoe around the dragon. The point is not to get to the right of the dragon. It is to plunge your spear into its heart." https://www.rawstory.com/trump-desantis-2024-2662274883/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 RFK Jr. is being disavowed by a Philly-area group that calls themselves ‘Kennedy Democrats’ The founders of the Kennedy Democrats PAC want to make it very clear that they do not endorse Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The statewide political action committee launched in 2019 by Patrick Murphy, a former member of the U.S. House, and former Congressional candidate Scott Wallace, both of Bucks County. Their goal is to deepen the progressive political bench in Pennsylvania, particularly outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. But when it comes to the presidential election, don’t let the name fool you. “We considered changing our name but we decided instead to just make a very explicit statement that we are fully in support of President Biden’s reelection,” Wallace said. “And we disavow anybody else using our organization’s name to oppose President Biden.” Click on the link for the full article 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I know people here don't like Chris and I doubt it will make any difference with most of the GOP base, but credit him for trying a hell of a lot more than most others in the field: https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1679628018632003584 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 hours ago, China said: RFK Jr. is being disavowed by a Philly-area group that calls themselves ‘Kennedy Democrats’ The founders of the Kennedy Democrats PAC want to make it very clear that they do not endorse Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The statewide political action committee launched in 2019 by Patrick Murphy, a former member of the U.S. House, and former Congressional candidate Scott Wallace, both of Bucks County. Their goal is to deepen the progressive political bench in Pennsylvania, particularly outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. But when it comes to the presidential election, don’t let the name fool you. “We considered changing our name but we decided instead to just make a very explicit statement that we are fully in support of President Biden’s reelection,” Wallace said. “And we disavow anybody else using our organization’s name to oppose President Biden.” Click on the link for the full article 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said: One problem DeSantis has, argues Luce, is that he is trying to sell himself as the more competent version of Trump without aggressively criticizing Trump's missteps for fear of angering the former president's base Believe this is something I pointed out here. Not because I knew it but because it was the conversation someone who does know this stuff had with me. You have to find a lane to take. It’s standard politics. DeSantis decided to try to take trumps lane. Which is stupid. the reality is DeSantis is an effective executive of a state. You may not like what he does, but he gets stuff done. That’s the lane he should have ran in. instead he jumped in the same bull**** lane trump occupies without the charisma trump has with the people it appeals to. his advisers have failed him miserably. 1 hour ago, hail2skins said: I know people here don't like Chris and I doubt it will make any difference with most of the GOP base, but credit him for trying a hell of a lot more than most others in the field: https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1679628018632003584 His whole campaign is to go after trump so trump doesn’t win. He was never going to win and he knows that. He’s trying to help fix a terrible issue. anyone thinking otherwise has no idea what’s actually going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 IDK....even though it's always been assumed RDS was going to run, he didn't officially do so until two months ago. And after the midterms, he was effectively at worst tied in the polls with Trump, and yes, the Disney stories have been a big spotlight, but one that you'd think would curry favor with the base. So what's happened since the midterms to make him 20-30 points down? A friend of mine sent me an article written by one of those Breitbart Clowns in which the author claimed that he had been "DeSantis curious, but since the indictments, he's 100 percent Trump." As nonsensical is that is, the circling of the wagons is exactly what has happened in the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Corndog checking in with the old Sanders-Stein softshoe… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 It amazes me that people make good money to say dumb **** and I'm over here doing it Pro boner. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Corndog checking in with the old Sanders-Stein softshoe… He sounded like he was not sober there. "I would bring in the Chinese, the African Rulers"..... what? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted July 14, 2023 Author Share Posted July 14, 2023 If Mr. West pulls enough percentage in key states, that could tip it to Trump. So, Dems have to quell the 3rd party vote from West, No Labels like they did in 2020 and prevent 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, 88Comrade2000 said: If Mr. West pulls enough percentage in key states, that could tip it to Trump. So, Dems have to quell the 3rd party vote from West, No Labels like they did in 2020 and prevent 2016. Stop it. No one cares about Cornell West. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Dems would be wise to court the center/moderates and completely ignore any potential West/RFK voter. No future in lying down with those lefty snakes…ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted July 14, 2023 Author Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Stop it. No one cares about Cornell West. You have to take all threats , no matter how crazy, how minor. The 24 election election will be close, in terms of electoral college. So, any percentage that draws away , no matter how small, could tip things. The margins were small in key states. If Dems go with that arrogant attitude, they will wake up and see Donny smiling again. There’s no love for Biden for various reasons. Get enough disgruntled voters to express their displeasure by either voting 3rd party or staying home. You can’t assume Trump is a lock to lose, even if he’s rotting in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 @TradeTheBeal! If you are a "center/moderate" and look at the GOP in any form during the Trump era, how are you not already in Biden's pocket? Economic policy: Tax cuts trickle down. We just haven't done it enough. We always need tax cuts. We ignore the Trump covid stimulus which was dem policy and helped cut into wealth inequality. Social policy: We talk freedom and "life", but totally dominate female bodily autonomy. On top of that, we are hostile and fearful to LGBTQ people and love talking about "lawless inner cities" (aka poor colored folks are to blame for their plight). We have now started to promote/speak up on white grievance to instigate more racial divide. Once you are no longer a fetus, we don't want to prevent gun-loving psychos from killing you. National Security Policy: Let's allow Russia to invade their neighbors and not help the one doing a great job fighting back . Putin's aggression is America / NATO's fault. Also we are fine taking Russia's help in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 ... I forgot to add. We are fine running a twice impeached candidate who fomented a riot on the US Capitol over denial of the US holding "free and fair elections". His business cheats on itz taxes, he probably violated national security law, and he sexually harssass women and even spoke about his daughter. Hr grifts our voters. This guy's talent is convincing the poor white uneducated people that he is their political savior and being the most entertaining politician (or "not a politician") the country has ever seen. Because of this our rich donor base has to support him. He will be so ineffectual that Congress is guaranteed to flip to Dem control over 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Fergasun said: @TradeTheBeal! If you are a "center/moderate" and look at the GOP in any form during the Trump era, how are you not already in Biden's pocket? A vote for Biden is a defacto vote for Kamala Harris...and the center in this country is racist and misogynistic. Oh, more subtly than their far right counterparts, to be sure...but its there. Whether fair or not, Biden is percieved to be a few steps from deaths door. Couple that with his VP with a vagina and skin tone darker than cream and your gonna lose a chunk of the middle. I've already heard people using the above to start to convince themselves to not vote, or hold their nose and vote for Trump (though they talk around Kamala with "she just handled the border so badly" or some such, rather than just sayin they wont pull the proverbial lever for a woman). They couldnt do it for Hillary, and where last time they did it for Biden, they've had four years to watch him move stiffer and look older. ...again...just what Ive heard. But you asked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 hours ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Corndog checking in with the old Sanders-Stein softshoe… He makes it sound like the Cuban missile crisis results in an illegal invasion. Unless I'm misunderstanding, he's got it wrong. The Bay of Pigs invasion was before the Cuban missile crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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