Warhead36 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, BayouBrave86 said: There is only one Daniel Jones 2.0 in this draft and his name is JJ. In fairness I actually think McCarthy is better than Jones. Jones was QB2 in a weak class and everyone knew it was a reach and terrible pick. If McCarthy goes to the Vikings I actually think he'll end up doing quite well, but he's nowhere near the elite prospect that Maye or Daniels are(or Williams). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 23 minutes ago, ClaytoAli said: Drake Maye is Daniel Jones part 2. A little better in completion percentage, but got worse over time. That’s where I initially was to be honest. Not quite now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 43 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Seems a little different visiting the Player instead of the reverse. It's down to the other things?, from the neck up, they know what they can do physically. Is he a match for the team and coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 It’s entirely possible Kingsbury was visiting Daniels… he’s one of the two main candidates for us to take at 2. Or… He went to New Orleans on purpose to see a show and make people speculate that they are visiting Daniels. It’s all a game. Stop worrying about this stuff. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 11 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: In fairness I actually think McCarthy is better than Jones. Jones was QB2 in a weak class and everyone knew it was a reach and terrible pick. If McCarthy goes to the Vikings I actually think he'll end up doing quite well, but he's nowhere near the elite prospect that Maye or Daniels are(or Williams). JJ has just turned 21, I think his potential as a prospect is massive. But you need seriously good evaluators to determine his ceiling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 How often do assistant coaches visit QBs? Kliff is a southern guy. He was probably just there for the concert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderInTheRye Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 57 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Part of me loves that we are now a tight lipped organization and part of me secretly hates it too. lol Under former "management" if we were in position to get a consensus big time qb in the draft there would be major leaks and stories on a near daily basis. We would know who Kingsbury was going to meet before he did. We'd get details on interviews, "secret" wine and dine meetings, white board session details, and all the juicy gossip a degenerate football fan could dream of. The only downside is that you knew deep down in your heart, that no matter how excited and juiced up "management" would get you-- waiting at the end of some dark sinister rainbow was a big tin pot overflowing with failure. XXXXX BTW Anyone know if Kingsbury played college football? Looking at the pic above he actually looks like an athlete. He clearly works out and takes care of himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: JJ has just turned 21, I think his potential as a prospect is massive. But you need seriously good evaluators to determine his ceiling. J.J. throwing to Vikings WR's would be like what J.D. has had the luxury to throw too this pass year. Would be a great spot for him to land. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said: Anyone know if Kingsbury played college football? Yeah, he played professionally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 This is Daniel Jones' college statline Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 And here's Drake Maye Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154. *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 Maye's low water mark on comp % beats Jones' high water mark, his low water mark on TDs is higher than Jones' high water mark. His yards per attempt were also wayyyy higher, 2 extra yards per attempt is MASSIVE, and Jones never crossed the 7 ypa average which I view as something of a line between good and bad QBs. Maye's way better than Jones. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: This is Daniel Jones' college statline Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 And here's Drake Maye Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154. *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 Maye's low water mark on comp % beats Jones' high water mark, his low water mark on TDs is higher than Jones' high water mark. His yards per attempt were also wayyyy higher, 2 extra yards per attempt is MASSIVE, and Jones never crossed the 7 ypa average which I view as something of a line between good and bad QBs. Maye's way better than Jones. Na they're both southern white guys who played in the ACC. They're the same! /s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 30 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said: J.J. throwing to Vikings WR's would be like what J.D. has had the luxury to throw too this pass year. Would be a great spot for him to land. That’s obviously why I traded up for him in the ES Mock Draft as Vikings GM….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 27 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: This is Daniel Jones' college statline Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 And here's Drake Maye Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154. *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 Maye's low water mark on comp % beats Jones' high water mark, his low water mark on TDs is higher than Jones' high water mark. His yards per attempt were also wayyyy higher, 2 extra yards per attempt is MASSIVE, and Jones never crossed the 7 ypa average which I view as something of a line between good and bad QBs. Maye's way better than Jones. Another note on Daniel Jones vs Drake Maye: During his last two season, Jones had 36 big time throws, good for something like 30th in college football. Maye had 76, good for 1st in college football. Jones was a dink and dunker who rarely pushed the ball downfield or made tight window throws. Maye is mostly the polar opposite. They have almost nothing in common besides playing in the ACC and being big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, ClaytoAli said: Drake Maye is Daniel Jones part 2. A little better in completion percentage, but got worse over time. Trying to compare the two is laughable. And the stats alone prove it. Jones was a 3 year starter. His best seasons he threw for 2800 yards in one and 22 TD's in another. Maye started two seasons. And his WORST season he threw for 3600 yards and 24 TD's. They are not comparable in any form whatsoever. Maye is a far better prospect. And it isnt close. Daniel Jones: Passing * indicates bowl stats included Share & Export Modify, Export & Share Table Get as Excel Workbook Get table as CSV (for Excel) Get Link to Table About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Data Usage Terms Glossary Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 Drake Maye: Passing * indicates bowl stats included Share & Export Modify, Export & Share Table Get as Excel Workbook Get table as CSV (for Excel) Get Link to Table About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Data Usage Terms Glossary Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154.1 *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 42 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: This is Daniel Jones' college statline Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 And here's Drake Maye Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154. *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 Maye's low water mark on comp % beats Jones' high water mark, his low water mark on TDs is higher than Jones' high water mark. His yards per attempt were also wayyyy higher, 2 extra yards per attempt is MASSIVE, and Jones never crossed the 7 ypa average which I view as something of a line between good and bad QBs. Maye's way better than Jones. Ahhh. I got ninja'd by Dog. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, mac8887 said: Take Command had an interesting show. Sounds as if both Craig and Logan are higher on both JJ and Jayden than Maye. They are higher than JJ than the other local media for sure. Speaking of which add JP Finlay to the pile of local-national reporters who don't buy the speculation that they are taking McCarthy at 2. (Breer, Keim, Finlay, Albright, Pauline in that mix). Will see. But am feeling right now its a 2 horse race ala what Keim has implied thus far based on all I listened to this week. I've heard both Logan and Hoffman recently said they'd go with Maye at #2 after starting the process months back in Daniels corner. So your comments threw me off. I was wondering if I am losing my cognitive skills 😎 because I take pride in hearing what is actually being said versus what I want to hear. So I relistened to their last podcast. They both said recently in different segments, they'd prefer Maye and give him edge for the #2 pick everything being equal with them both talking. Logan referenced his take on switching from Daniels to Maye was influenced by getting the Alll 22 tape. In his last podcast, Paulsen said Maye's ceiling is "by far the highest" among the three QBs and also referenced he had the most big time throws. But agree that same last podcast was centered on which QB is ready first. So in that context, they were higher on Daniels and Maye. They were all over the place on it. But if that's your main introduction to their takes it would feel more pro Daniels and McCarthy because they were centric on pro readiness. Although Hoffman said in that same podcast, he's rather have the upside guy even if it takes longer. Hoffman seems smitten with McCarthy in particular. So will he goe from Daniels to then Maye and now McCarthy if so he will run the gamut. Edited March 31 by Skinsinparadise 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Command The 414 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 All this Daniel Jones 2.0 stuff from a fan base that the guy has been the best QB on the field when he’s been the starter and/or healthy against our Redskins/Football Team/Commanders lol 😝 wow if he’s such a bum why then is he 5-1-1 against us? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 12 minutes ago, Command The 414 said: All this Daniel Jones 2.0 stuff from a fan base that the guy has been the best QB on the field when he’s been the starter and/or healthy against our Redskins/Football Team/Commanders lol 😝 wow if he’s such a bum why then is he 5-1-1 against us? Daniel Jones is a bum because he sucks. Just because we're worse doesn't mean that he isn't trash. There's a reason the Giants and reportedly really hoping to be able to get a QB in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Improve the run game Washington placed its offense on Howell's shoulders last season. Howell might still develop into a good starting quarterback, but he entered last season with 19 career passes and one start. One member of the organization said they knew the offensive line was not set up to protect a young quarterback who would throw a lot. So, he said, the assumption was Washington would run the ball more. It did not. Instead, Howell attempted an NFL-high 612 passes. That didn't just stem from falling behind in games and needing to rally, either. In the first half of games Howell attempted more passes than any quarterback except for Dak Prescott and Josh Allen. And the line, indeed, didn't protect well. Howell was sacked a league-high 65 times, which cost Washington 449 yards in lost yardage -- fourth most in the NFL. The Commanders had only 359 rushing attempts for the season -- the fewest in the NFL by 23 carries. Again, it wasn't just from large deficits as they ranked last in the NFL in first-half carries as well. Look for that to change quite a bit this season. Quinn said they want a strong rushing attack, not just because they will have a rookie quarterback. "That's really who we want to be all the time," he said. Washington still has Brian Robinson Jr. as its main rusher; he ran for 733 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry in 2023. His 178 carries ranked 32nd last season. In free agency Washington signed center Tyler Biadasz and guard Nick Allegretti. Quinn said he likes right guard Sam Cosmi. "There are some really good d-linemen in this division," Quinn said. "You'd better be able to block some good tackles; having an inside presence is super important." But for a rookie? It reduces their responsibilities. "You can't put it all on his plate. When you do that to a rookie? Oh, boy," said ESPN NFL/college analyst Herm Edwards, who coached Jayden Daniels at Arizona State and spent 27 years in the NFL as a player or coach. "He can't do it by himself; you'd better give him the pieces." However, sometimes a player can handle more. As a rookie in 2020, Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow attempted more passes during his 10 starts before a torn ACL ended his season than any other quarterback except for Tom Brady. But Burrow averaged more pass attempts per game (40.4) than Brady. "What are the key pieces you've got that you can lean into to take the pressure off him?" Bengals coach Zac Taylor said. "Sometimes it's such a great quarterback you want to put the pressure on them and do that at a young age. There is no right or wrong when a guy is ready for that moment." Still, with a defensive-minded head coach it's hard to imagine Washington asking whomever it drafts to do too much. "You're not asking anybody to have to go put the cape on and go win the game on your own," Quinn said. "What we want to make sure that we ... have good balance. You know, where you can have a good run game, the play-passing that comes off of that, the ability to move it down the field, so, that is a big piece of it for me." Support system The Commanders focused on building a coaching staff that, it hopes, will be a strong one for a quarterback. They loaded it with coaches who have worked with quarterbacks in the past: offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury; pass game coordinator Brian Johnson and quarterbacks coach Tavita Pritchard, as well as former NFL quarterback David Blough, now an assistant quarterbacks coach. Running backs coach and run game coordinator Anthony Lynn won't work directly with quarterbacks, but he was coaching the Chargers when they drafted Justin Herbert. If nothing else, Lynn understands the value of the run game for the quarterback. But Kingsbury and Johnson in particular have worked with young quarterbacks in the NFL -- Kyler Murray in Arizona and Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia, respectively. "That was intentional the way we did that," Peters said. "You give yourself the best chance to develop whoever's in that room as fast as you can." As expected, they also signed a veteran quarterback in Marcus Mariota, who has experienced everything from the highs of being a Heisman winner and No. 2 overall pick to the lows of being cut and now being a backup. But perhaps the biggest addition was Biadasz. He can help in multiple ways, but particularly with protection calls to reduce a rookie's responsibility. "He's such a good leader in the inside and having the ability to take a lot off of a player, whether it's better or not, in directing the traffic, identifying where to go, what's the protection, that's part of Tyler's game," Quinn said. "And so we're really pumped that we have somebody with his expertise kind of directing the traffic and leading the way." They also added smart veterans in tight end Zach Ertz and running back Austin Ekeler, who will be their third-down back. Both might not be the same players they were a few years ago, but the Commanders hope their wisdom helps and, therefore, provides good underneath targets. They still have veteran receiver Terry McLaurin, coming off his fourth 1,000-yard season. Rebuilding the defense The Commanders had the NFL's worst defense when it came to the two most important categories: points and yards allowed. That was a major drop from the previous year when they ranked third in yards and seventh in points. And that came after drafting corner Emmanuel Forbes in the first round and safety Jartavius Martin in the second. But Forbes struggled and was eventually benched; Martin became a starter late in the season but, by then, the defense was a sinking ship. At the trade deadline, Washington dealt defensive ends Montez Sweat and Chase Young. One team source said in the offseason that they wanted to invest more up the middle. The Commanders already had the tackles in Daron Payne and Jonathan Allen. During free agency they added linebackers Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu as well as safety Jeremy Chinn. They also added three defensive ends in Dorance Armstrong, Clelin Ferrell and Dante Fowler Jr., and could end up drafting another corner. Quinn said they want to play an aggressive, blitzing defense that features more man coverage. It is designed to cause chaos and turnovers. In Quinn's three years combined as Dallas' defensive coordinator, the Cowboys forced an NFL-best 93 turnovers. During that same period Washington ranked 29th with 55 takeaways. Helped by all those takeaways, the Cowboys ran more offensive plays in that period than any other team and scored more touchdowns than all but one team (San Francisco). Washington had no problem running a lot of plays last season; it ran the third most in the NFL. But with an NFL-worst turnover margin of minus-14, the Commanders' average starting field position ranked 25th (while their opponents' average starting field position ranked fourth). "If you can get those takeaways and create a way to generate more possessions, that's how you know we'll go win," he said. Wagner and Luvu should help. Of Wagner's impact, Quinn said "it's a huge one. There's a reason he's had so many high production tackling seasons. I think he's the very best tackler that I've had the chance to coach. He just doesn't miss a lot. He's a processor. He sees it and then what I'm looking forward to him is also detailing out to some of his teammates a process that it goes through to get ready to go play." Meanwhile, Luvu will be used in a variety of ways that feature his ability to rush the passer. He recorded 12.5 sacks the past two years with Carolina. "Frankie just jumps off the tape, the way he plays, his play style, his mindset, his mentality. He's a playmaker," new general manager Adam Peters said. Washington does not have a finished roster by any means. The Commanders still need to find a key player by adding a left tackle; the draft is deep at that position. They need to add more talented young players -- at most they'll have eight starters from their last five drafts combined. But they hope that, this offseason, they've provided a stronger base to help a quarterback. "The hardest thing to do in sports, I think, is evaluate and develop a quarterback," Peters said. "But what you want to do is make sure you do as much as you can to let them develop." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39828230/commanders-build-draft 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderInTheRye Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 34 minutes ago, Command The 414 said: wow if he’s such a bum why then is he 5-1-1 against us? --shrug-- I guess because we're even bumbier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dah-Dee Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I feel like all of us on either side of the Maye/Daniels debate just got scolded and sent to our rooms by Uncle JP 😵 https://www.audacy.com/thefandc/sports/jp-finlay-isnt-in-on-advanced-analytics-in-college-football JP Finlay on advanced analytics for college football: 'You're comparing apples to eggplants' Analytics in the NFL? Definitely useful, and so prevalent in the league that BMitch and Finlay have WaPo NFL numbers guru Neil Greenberg on every week to look at things by those numbers. But that’s just what they are, numbers, and they don’t tell the whole story. “I want to talk about the acceptance and emergence of advanced analytics in football, and how these numbers became gospel, and a real problem I have in the evaluation process,” JP Finlay said. “Pro Football Focus was originally built to be a tool for scouts, and it gained such immediate commercial success with fans because NFL fans are just so obsessed with the game, and there's a burning desire to be smarter than the guy you're arguing with on Twitter, and PFF allows these metrics for people to do that. I think that has value, but it's also incredibly speculative and not always correct, so it’s a good tool to have in your toolbox, but it is hardly gospel, and I think people have started to treat it such.” But advanced analytics in college football? JP has NO time for that noise. “College football is really, really different from pro football, and the level of competition that college teams face varies dramatically from week-to-week,” JP said. “In the NFL, even the bad teams are still giving you a baseline; but in college football, there’s 10 times as many teams and some are really bad, the offenses and defenses are so different and the rules are so different. So to the folks that want to send me PFF metrics based on college football, on sack rates and pressure rates and scramble rates and big-time throw rates and turnover-worthy play rates and all of these things: I'm not sure that we can definitively trust everybody that scouts and grades for PFF doing their PRO football product, so I sure as hell don't for college football.” Obviously, the impetus of this is the Commanders having the No. 2 pick and likely taking a QB there, and “I appreciate the discourse and you being part of it, but I want to be clear that when you send me the graph of Jayden Daniels’ scramble rate to his pressure and sack rate, I think we really need to chill out on trying to say that Daniels takes a lot of sacks,” JP said. “Greg Cosell called into this show, and I put a lot of faith in Greg Cosell as not somebody that's just throwing a graph out there, and he talked about how good Daniels was as a pocket passer and doing things of that nature, so I don't really care about what most people say,” BMitch replied. “If you’re not at Greg's level, I'm not listening to you.” JP isn’t that extreme, simply saying use that data with caution, but BMitch said ‘I have to believe that they're not giving you everything exactly as the pros will see it,’ and Finlay agrees, because there’s just too much breadth to the college game to really know what you’re looking at, or even for. “I just don't think there is enough depth of coverage and consideration. Frankly, if you are going to give me analytics on college quarterbacks, I don't want to see any of them from the three cupcakes they play a year, because it moves the baseline so far,” JP said. “I would frankly only want to see it in conference play, but then how can you compare? I think it's overly simplistic to say, ‘Jayden did it in the SEC, which is the toughest conference’ – it is, but how do you compare that to the ACC? You're not close to comparing apples to apples, I think you're comparing apples to eggplants.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, KDawg said: It’s entirely possible Kingsbury was visiting Daniels… he’s one of the two main candidates for us to take at 2. Or… He went to New Orleans on purpose to see a show and make people speculate that they are visiting Daniels. It’s all a game. Stop worrying about this stuff. One of the most fatiguing parts of the game these days is the one where someone posts their perception of which guy some b, c, or d level pundit/source is saying they favor.... Jeez....I know it's just baying at the moon and it's the nature of the beast for this to be an every day deal, but I can wish it wasn't. At least post some actual analysis of interest, not just "ex NFL player Bob Bombast seems to be leaning towards JJ on today's Mens Room podcast from the Chevron gas station" or X account holder and radio call in expert Scaz Tywacket sounds like he wants Maye over Daniels now...." I don't give a **** EVER what even the majority of the endless list of ex players or pundits say from week to week or especially someone's interpretation of it, but I will listen to some actual reasoning or real analysis from the better of the guys big enough to make it on TV and a few out of the vast horde of noise makers on the internet and radio... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoshuaj Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, ClaytoAli said: Drake Maye is Daniel Jones part 2. A little better in completion percentage, but got worse over time. As noted by the numerous posts above, you sir, just lost your credibility card. Edited March 31 by stoshuaj 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, DogofWar1 said: This is Daniel Jones' college statline Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Duke 764 1275 59.9 8201 6.4 6.2 52 29 122.9 *2015 Duke ACC FR QB 2016 Duke ACC FR QB 12 270 430 62.8 2836 6.6 6.4 16 9 126.3 *2017 Duke ACC SO QB 13 257 453 56.7 2691 5.9 5.5 14 11 112.0 *2018 Duke ACC JR QB 11 237 392 60.5 2674 6.8 6.9 22 9 131.7 And here's Drake Maye Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Carolina 618 952 64.9 8018 8.4 9.0 63 16 154. *2021 North Carolina ACC FR QB 4 7 10 70.0 89 8.9 10.9 1 0 177.8 *2022 North Carolina ACC FR 14 342 517 66.2 4321 8.4 9.2 38 7 157.9 *2023 North Carolina ACC JR QB 12 269 425 63.3 3608 8.5 8.7 24 9 149.0 Maye's low water mark on comp % beats Jones' high water mark, his low water mark on TDs is higher than Jones' high water mark. His yards per attempt were also wayyyy higher, 2 extra yards per attempt is MASSIVE, and Jones never crossed the 7 ypa average which I view as something of a line between good and bad QBs. Maye's way better than Jones. What are you trying to pull using relevant informative data to totally destroy some obviously fatuous statement some idjit made? They'll suspend your X acct if you're not careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said: JP Finlay on advanced analytics for college football: 'You're comparing apples to eggplants' That was a lot of words just to explain the idea of SEC supremacy. Even moreso when its a concept you'd think most people would understand. I don't even watch college ball, and even I knew it thru culture osmosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysBeRedskins2Me Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, CommanderInTheRye said: Part of me loves that we are now a tight lipped organization and part of me secretly hates it too. lol Under former "management" if we were in position to get a consensus big time qb in the draft there would be major leaks and stories on a near daily basis. We would know who Kingsbury was going to meet before he did. We'd get details on interviews, "secret" wine and dine meetings, white board session details, and all the juicy gossip a degenerate football fan could dream of. The only downside is that you knew deep down in your heart, that no matter how excited and juiced up "management" would get you-- waiting at the end of some dark sinister rainbow was a big tin pot overflowing with failure. XXXXX BTW Anyone know if Kingsbury played college football? Looking at the pic above he actually looks like an athlete. He clearly works out and takes care of himself. I was gonna ask the same thing! Either Kingsbury is a decent sized, still in good shape former ball player or Theo Von is the white Gary Coleman! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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