The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[mac8887]

40 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

That stat looks half as bad with proper context imo. He is going to take more sacks just by nature of running more. it is what it is. Sometimes he gets 30 yards sometimes he gets -3. Just part of it. Logan was even on the with Keim the other day saying it looks like his offense was designed with his legs being his escape/way out of bad play calls. That sometimes when he took sacks there was no answer on the field and so he had to run. Which makes sense cause, why not have him do it if he can break one for a TD at any time?

 

Context matters. Thats why Keim is telling you teams are not worried about it. Number is arbitrary without context. 

I’ve noticed Kiem has pointed this out on 2 or 3 separate occasions. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

23 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

I have no idea how they keep these stats. But all you have to do is watch the games, Daniels' athleticism allows him to make amazing escapes, Maye holds the ball too long and obviously does not have the same athletic ability that Daniels has. 

Robert Griffin had amazing athletic ability too, and he would get destroyed back there & looked like he was exploding every time he got hit. Being able to run fast is not the same as knowing how to play QB.

[The Consigliere]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Cowherd is not a journalist or reporter. He has no real credible sources. 

on the one hand, seems like just regurgitating the views of guys who've said Daniels that he interviews from time to time, otoh, he is a guy who was basically west coast affiliated throughout his career until espn, so it wouldn't surprise me if he has some decent contacts with peters.

 

But I agree w/your general sentiment, I think it's a nothing burger, and he isn't Keim either, he isn't close to that plugged in. What bothers me is how oddly sure some people are in the media of both takes, the majority Daniels' opinion, and the minority, but aggressive minority view that its Maye. Very odd.

 

It definitely has the feel of a situation where either, the general media just has been fed a story, and that the real story is something different (Maye) or, this was always going to be the pick, and the media was right. We've seen countless times in the league where this has happened in both directions. Will Levis, for instance, just a year ago, was regarded as locked in at the 1.01 w/that big arm in October of '22, but by draft time, people could not figure out how far he was falling, only that he wasn't 1.01. Meanwhile, project QB Richardson was at the edge of the top 10 in October '22, but a major project that a lot of people hated, and then by draft day he'd climbed straight up into top 2-4 consideration, how much was hype, how much was lie? Turned out the Levis love was gone but the Richardson hype was real.

 

We just aren't gonna know, probably, until the draft, more than anything, I tend to think the betting market trends are the only real clue, and those can be jacked up by heavy bets by sharps, and by large movements by the public, so even there its weird. If you see major change in the last 2 weeks to 1 week before the draft, usually, that reflects inside info but even there, not always....Quite the mystery. 

 

For me it would just be easier if it made sense. I understood disagreement last year:

Bryce Young was small and didnt use athelticism, and Alabama prospects are notoriously low ceiling'd. 

CJ Stroud had the god awful S2 test, and the Ohio State Bust QB fear.

Richardson had the rawness as a passer, the more athlete angle.

Levis had the big arm, but meh final season.

 

So I really understood why people would be unsure and have distinctive favorites based on their way of evaluating the guys. I ended up with no coherent philosophy and split the difference, drafting all four guys in different dynasty leagues, most heavy in Richardson shares because of dual threat value rather than belief in his superiority or anything.

 

This year, it just seems really basic:

Caleb is the best, period. He's got some mental make up weirdness concerns, but they're small enough to ignore considering the talent.

 

Maye is the next best prospect and by a good stretch, for me.

 

Jayden Daniels is the best dual threat QB option, he has a low floor, but a really really high ceiling too, just like Maye (who I think has a higher floor).

 

Then people disagree about how to rate JJ, Penix, and Nix and even Rattler (who years ago, was ahead of all of these guys after all)...Needless to say, I think Penix is a better QB than Daniels, but Daniels has a higher upside and floor. I think JJ has a nice floor, but I am not buying the ceiling which feels more "feelings/hunch" based than reality based, Nix is probably the value because nobody seems to like him, along with Rattler who despite the bounce back, has been pummeled for years (Day 3 guy as of '22-'23, but now seems set to sneak into day 2). 

 

But anyway, to me this class is much easier to figure than '23, or even '21 or '20. 

 

That's why I find the arguments and sharp disagreement so weird, but I suppose it comes down to what traits, and analytics categories you value, and what "weaknesses" you tend to fear. I care far less about mechanics, the feet, the arm etc, than I care about breakout age with high end production, and the analytics piece, and the key warning sign metrics for potential busts, so its natural that Maye is just gonna be more attractive to me. Whereas if you like the dual threat production, the bombs away god mode '23 performance that looks like an NFL stud, the consistent improvement over years, rather than any regression, than Daniels is probably more attractive....

 

In a lot of ways these guys are a bit of a rorshach test for what attracts and repels you in terms of QB prospects, and for me, the most telling piece, is that while in the past, I was far more won over by QB's, or not convinced, these days, I tend to think about, which QB gives me less to freak me out about bust potential? Which guy gives me less alarm bells that "this is a classic future bust trait/metric/trend"....because over time I've just become far less confident in my ability to identify future studs than in my ability to identify future busts or disappointments. That's basically how this draft works for me, and all of them set out unique bust alarms for each one:

 

Caleb: Mental Make Up/Leadership piece: Is this guy a first in last out guy, or a clown? Is this RGIII's whisper campaign (he's a ----!!!) which came out about a month to 6 weeks before the draft redux?

 

Maye: Regression in final year, scary mechanics, weird accuracy issues.....(ftr, I don't give a ---- about mechanics, if the kid is a worker, he'll be fine, to me)

 

Daniels: 5th year is far and away the best outlier season (pickett vibe alarm goes off), frame and body-hits, lack of anticipation throws (huge alarm), using the whole field and all progressions.....is it him, is it the talent, or is it a burrow situation? Crazy awful pressure to sack ratio. 

 

Penix: How much do the injuries matter and the fact that he's an overrage guy? For some, the title game, I don't give a ---- about the title game. He was a stud in a ton of games against similarly strong programs with vastly inferior teams over the years to disabuse me of such a concern.

 

JJ: Harbaugh trusted Luck more to throw w/inferior talent at Stanford, not a ton more, but definitely more, why? There's clearly some alarm bells in the underlying #'s, while there's also positives. There's not a lot of what he did on the field that says he's a stud, scouts seem to think he's a floor bet rather than a ceiling traits guy.

 

Nix: Value tended to slide overall consistently throughout his career, crashing completely with a crap senior bowl (although Penix supposedly sucked there too). Has a lot of attractive #'s, but there's also a lot of concern that he's kind of a jag. He and the next guy strike me as potential value. Reminds me a little of Herbert or diet Herbert where nobody was talking about Herbert at all, the same bull---- Mechanics stories that I couldn't care less about were being thrown about him as Maye this time, didnt care then, don't care now. My comparison here isn't player for player, but more that there's a huge enthusiasm gap with nix to the point that he's either hidden value, or just a jimmy clausen whatevs kind of prospect. Im not sure which. 

 

Rattler: Its interesting to consider how hated he was because of the netflix thing, then he lost his job to Caleb Williams and at the time that was an indictment and now seems like a "Duh". So how bad is losing his gig to the best QB in a decade kind or prospect Caleb is considered now? Not sure, but Rattler definitely seems like a value after a bounce back, but the fear is, he went from a #1 QB in a class recruit group, to bottoming out as a dart throw day 3 QB prospect. Where is the real Rattler? I don't know.

 

For me, the only guys where I don't have really large alarms are Williams and Maye, which is why they are my guys. The next lowest are probably Penix and Daniels but for distinctly different reasons, and Rattler and Nix seem like the discount guys who will be much cheaper than they probably should be, especially when compared to where JJ and Penix appear likely to go. I find it interesting that Rattler was 11th in QBR at Oklahoma in '20, fell off a cliff to 68 in '22, and then climbed to 48 in '23. What is he? He would've been a Howell like steal to me if not for his great predraft offseason that has lifted him from early day 3 guy into day 2 now. :(. Otherwise, I would have liked to target him in round 5 but now I think he goes 2nd to early 3rd and no chance for that. 

Edited April 8 by The Consigliere

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

4 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

#2 = 717 points

#3 = 514 points

 

So the difference on paper is 203 points, equivalent to pick #29. Do we take a discount knowing we'll still get our guy? Do we ask for more given how important the #2 pick is to get Pats getting "their guy?" We aren't going to #3 without knowing we are getting our or one of our guys (if we see them both as equal). So this is assuming we still plan to get our guy regardless (and for this to happen, the Pats gotta think we're open to moving down further with someone else to come get whoever the Pats want).

 

Discount: #3 + #34 (689 to WAS) for #2 (717 to NE)

Overpay: #3 + #34 + '25 1st (810 to WAS) for #2 (717 to NE)

Even: #3 + #34 + #68 (762 to WAS) for #2 + #100 (752 to NE)

 

Even seems most likely to me. We get our guy (Maye, presumably) and round out the first two days with #34, #36, #40, #67, #68, #78

 

That chart was invented by Jimmy Johnson in 1927. I'm not sure it's really applicable any longer.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

7 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

That chart was invented by Jimmy Johnson in 1927. I'm not sure it's really applicable any longer.

 

I only really use the Rich Hill chart (aka the Bill Belichek chart) nowadays. I used Rich Hill for this example.

 

Fortunately we do have a recent-ish example of a trade up from 3 to 2 for a QB. Granted this was a year where the 49ers traded #2 for #3 and then selected Soloman Thomas ... and not another QB. But either way.

 

CHI:#2 (717 points)

SF: #3, #67, #111 and a future 3rd (642 points)

 

A similar trade for us would be 

 

NE: #2

WAS: #3, #68, #103, future 3rd

 

I have to think we'd get more in a trade though given we want a QB too, and SF was not in the QB market that year.

Edited April 8 by JamesMadisonSkins

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I only really use the Rich Hill chart (aka the Bill Belichek chart) nowadays. I used Rich Hill for this example.

 

Well, if there is one man who knew the value of draft picks....it's the guy who pretty much stopped using them.

[DogofWar1]

I see it's Jayden Monday on the twitter

Tomorrow will be Drake Tuesday

Then McCarthy Wednesday

Jayden Thursday

Maye Friday

 

Repeat until we actually draft a guy.

[Dah-Dee]

 

[Number 44]

1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Statistically, Maye was better at avoiding sacks under pressure than either of the other two.

You are misreading the stat.  Daniels was outstanding at avoiding pressure.  He had quite a few less sacks, and many less pressures.  You are mistakenly not recognizing the main reason for the "ratio" is that Daniels was excellent at recognizing what was happening and moving within the pocket and out of the pocket to avoid pressure.  If no defender gets within a yard and a half of him, it isn't statistically a pressure.  This explains both the low sacks number AND the low interception number.  Pretending that sacks were a problem for Daniels flies in the face of reality.  Fortunately, Peters and company are well aware of this.

[Dah-Dee]

PFF is selling:

 

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-buying-selling-latest-2024-nfl-draft-rumors-jj-mccarthy

 

Buying, selling 2024 NFL Draft rumors, including J.J. McCarthy being a top-5 pick

 

“LSU QB JAYDEN DANIELS WILL BE THE NO. 2 OVERALL PICK BY THE WASHINGTON COMMANDERS“

Verdict: Sell

 

Daniels has understandably catapulted up draft boards after one of the most impressive college football seasons in history, with the Heisman winner’s 94.7 grade being the top mark among all college football quarterbacks, his 8.4% big-time throw rate ranking sixth and his 1.6% turnover worthy play rate also placing sixth. Daniels lit up the scoreboard on a near-weekly basis, putting up some truly absurd stat lines through the air and on the ground. We also don’t buy the notion of a “late breakout” for Daniels — yes, he has certainly improved his game over time — considering he put up a stat line of 22-of-32, 408 yards, three touchdowns and zero interceptions as a true freshman in 2019 in a win over Justin Herbert’s No. 6-ranked Oregon Ducks.

 

All of that said, North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye is receiving similar treatment to presumptive No. 1 overall pick USC quarterback Caleb Williams for a “down” final college season. Despite very poor surrounding circumstances, Maye earned a 90.8 grade that ranked 14th in the country, and he finished top-11 in both big-time throw rate and turnover-worthy play rate in 2023.

 

Daniels is currently -150 to be the No. 2 overall pick on DraftKings Sportsbook, with Drake Maye holding the second-best odds (+150). We’d suggest buying now on plus-odds for Maye if the offering is available in your state. We think Maye is becoming this year’s overthought quarterback prospect, akin to C.J. Stroud last year, S2 test notwithstanding, and will end up as the No. 2 overall pick when all is said and done.

 

We also discussed in our Mock Draft 1.0 how the hype about Daniels fitting stylistically with Kliff Kingsbury, who coached the Arizona Cardinals in the same city as Arizona State for Daniels’ three seasons there, while true, similarly applies to Maye.

 

[The Consigliere]

1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

I have no idea how they keep these stats. But all you have to do is watch the games, Daniels' athleticism allows him to make amazing escapes, Maye holds the ball too long and obviously does not have the same athletic ability that Daniels has. 

They grind tape and record the stats. It's not rocket science. Daniels did the same negative things that Fields and Howell can do: they can both take too many sacks, and also run into them while reacting too aggressively to feelings of pressure. Whatever sense you get from Daniels, or Fields for that matter, doesn't change the fact that despite being ridiculous athletes, their pressure to sack ratios are amongst the worst ever recorded (Daniels pre-'23 was particularly bad) and I believe Fields set the record in the 40's. Whatever you may think of Maye, he's not as bad as Daniels by an order of magnitude, period when it comes to pressure to sack ratio. The good news is that Daniels improved, but in five years, you sure as ---- better improve from what were horrific #'s historically earlier in his career. 

 

Btw, none of this means Maye is good. Maye falls in the below average to bad category, an increment better than Howell, but still poor, Daniels fits into the historically god awful category, way too close to Fields, especially if you don't give him his fifth year, which radically improved his #'s (remember, Maye only got year 1 and 2, and played with a ---- OL that gave him plenty reason to be terrified and neurotic and w/crap receivers who didn't get separation, unlike mega freaks Brian Thomas and Malik Nabers (both sub 4.4 WR's, one of whom lead all of college football in nearly all the relevant analytic stats that capture elite level traits for WR's in college, while the other was a 4 star top 20 stud at his position who nearly had 20 td catches, the other guy had, erm, Downs). 

 

But yeah, when it comes to them, they both are poor in this stat, but one is horrible, and the other below average to a bit worse than that. Not comparable, not equal, and sure as hell not a worse trait for Maye than Daniels. 

[DWinzit]

7 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think those receivers could work with either QB. 

 

But when I think of Maye I think of dudes on the 2nd level -- or deep crossers, etc.  Guys that seperate well in between the numbers.  And I love McConkey, Wilson, Pearsall on that front.  But Maye throws a nice deep ball, too.

 

When I think of Daniels, especially after rewatching him yesterday, I like guys who make deep plays outside the numbers.  Corner routes.  Though he had his share of posts too.  Guys who will make plays deep and beat their defender on one and ones.  Guys who are good at tracking the ball because he gives good air to his deep throws.  Desean Jackson back in his day.

 

Daniels for whatever reason doesn't have the guts to make 2nd level contested throws.  But he's willing to launch the deep ball and take his chances on that front so I'd want to add a horse who majors in that as a WR.

 

But Legette to me feels tailor made for Daniels.  He's sort of a poor man's Brian Thomas IMO, and not that poor.  He's not the most refined route runner.  But if you throw it long, he will outrun and get by a defender for a deep play, make a contested catch. Plenty of out routes.  The way he makes some of his big plays reminds me some of Thomas in particular.

 

If Ja'Lynn Polk ran faster he'd be on that list for me, too.  Same type.  Physical. Makes big plays.  Contested catches.  But am having a hard time getting over the 4.5 which bothers me if I am looking for a deep threat. But if he's in the third round, I'd dig it.

Working off of your explanation of WR's to fit a QB, and comparing that to the WR's brought in with the top 30 visits (Legette, Thomas, Corley) I'd say and seems you are as well, Daniels.

[The Consigliere]

1 hour ago, Conn said:

Magic has no say in who we draft. 
 

Nobody cares about casual fans unless they start spending money on the team. They won’t do that until we start winning. They’ll draft whoever they think has the best chance at being a winning QB without superficial reasoning like you gave above imo. Your reasoning reads like something that would have made sense during Snyder’s reign of terror. 

Only correlated concern I have is the ready to win now take. I want to take the guy they think will be the best QB from '24-'34, not the best QB from '24-'27. That's my only issue. But yeah, Magic? Definitely not a player, if he was, it would mean nada had changed. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

33 minutes ago, Number 44 said:

You are misreading the stat.  Daniels was outstanding at avoiding pressure.  He had quite a few less sacks, and many less pressures.  You are mistakenly not recognizing the main reason for the "ratio" is that Daniels was excellent at recognizing what was happening and moving within the pocket and out of the pocket to avoid pressure.  If no defender gets within a yard and a half of him, it isn't statistically a pressure.  This explains both the low sacks number AND the low interception number.  Pretending that sacks were a problem for Daniels flies in the face of reality.  Fortunately, Peters and company are well aware of this.

He is not excellent at handling pressure. He takes his eyes off his receivers and starts looking for run lanes at the first hint of pressure and still takes a higher percentage of sacks. He is terrible at handling pressure and he lacks the strength to break free if anyone gets their hand on him. This is like saying RG3 is better at handling pressure than Ben Roethlisberger.

[wit33]

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

 

I don't need my QB to be a maverick.

Yes we do. 

 

1 hour ago, The Consigliere said:

 

Maye: Regression in final year, scary mechanics, weird accuracy issues.....(ftr, I don't give a ---- about mechanics, if the kid is a worker, he'll be fine, to me)

 

   

In 2022…

In his last four games, he had 4 touchdowns and 4 interceptions, losing each game. 
 

Maybe it wasn’t just his final year that experienced regression? 

 

 

[redskinss]

2 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Maybe it wasn’t just his final year that experienced regression? 

 

Sounds like the perfect kingsbury quarterback to me.

😁

[ILikeBilly2]

2 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

I have no idea how they keep these stats. But all you have to do is watch the games, Daniels' athleticism allows him to make amazing escapes, Maye holds the ball too long and obviously does not have the same athletic ability that Daniels has. 

Is balance through contact an athletic ability?  If CBs like Forbes can get him on the ground with minimal contact, JD will not be nearly as dynamic in the NFL and will have similar sack to pressure numbers as he did in college.  Let's be clear, athletic ability is more than running fast.

[Number 44]

Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

He is not excellent at handling pressure. He takes his eyes off his receivers and starts looking for run lanes at the first hint of pressure and still takes a higher percentage of sacks. He is terrible at handling pressure and he lacks the strength to break free if anyone gets their hand on him. This is like saying RG3 is better at handling pressure than Ben Roethlisberger.

Daniels was sacked 22 times.  22.  Maye was sacked 29, and Williams 32.  Sack to pressure ratio is just that - dividing the sacks by the pressures.  If his ratio was 24%, that means he had 89 pressures -- a phenomenally low number.  Playing in the SEC.  Your opinion notwithstanding, Daniels was quite obviously outstanding at recognizing and avoiding pressure.  This means he not only was sacked less, but he also made fewer bad decisions due to pressure.  22 sacks.  4 interceptions. 40 touchdowns.  Those are outstanding numbers. You are incredibly pretending that sacks were a problem for Daniels.  Your comment above would be a clear indication that you either didn't see him play very often, are unaware of what exactly the sack-to-pressure ratio is, or both.  I understand the concern folks have about his frame.  In view of the fact that he hasn't missed games due to injury, I think the risk is worth taking, but I understand the concern.  Your comments regarding pressure and sacks, well, I don't understand that at all.

[The Consigliere]

40 minutes ago, DWinzit said:

Working off of your explanation of WR's to fit a QB, and comparing that to the WR's brought in with the top 30 visits (Legette, Thomas, Corley) I'd say and seems you are as well, Daniels.

This is lazy as hell, but Leggette is basically on my do not draft list because of virtually every single analytics/dynasty dork I can find is scared ----less of him and HATES him as a prospect. I haven't dug into the #'s yet, too busy w/a crazy month from hell going on, but Leggette is basically an ugly as hell prospect. If he hits, it will be as an outlier from what I understand. 

 

My guys in terms of value targets are:

Round 2:

Ladd McConkey

Ricky Pearsall

Troy Franklin

Adonai mitchell

Javon Baker

Ja'Lynn Polk

 

Whats scary to me is that while its a great class, really deep and top heavy too, I don't really like many of the day 2 guys a lot beyond McConkey, and Pearsall, and maybe Franklin. Franklin and Mitchell scare the hell out of me, for different reasons, McConkey and Pearsall look like more high floor moderate ceiling guys that make me more comfortable. Not sure what to think of Polk, still looking into Baker, not buying Leggette. 

[The Consigliere]

26 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Yes we do. 

 

   

In 2022…

In his last four games, he had 4 touchdowns and 4 interceptions, losing each game. 
 

Maybe it wasn’t just his final year that experienced regression? 

 

 

Otoh, if you dig into Daniels, cherry pick Halloween through Bowl game '21, he tosses 4 TD's against 7 picks in his final 6 games of the season. Before that he was 6 TD's versus 3 picks. Did he ---- the bed down the stretch? I don't know, there's a ton of sample size. Daniels does the same in '22, starting the season with 14 TD's versus 1 pick, wrapping with 3 TD's versus 2 picks. 

 

I don't know what it means. I don't care too much either though since there's plenty of sample size to look at with both of them. Daniels has 50+ games worth of data to digest, Maye's got 30. Its interesting, but I don't know if what happens late on is meaningful. Could mean they're playing hurt, tired, or just sucked for a stretch or some other reason I'm not hitting on. 

[Jumbo]

To quote a great lyricist, "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" 

 

Lie, la lie,

Lie, la lie, lie lie lie lie

😛

[DWinzit]

28 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

This is lazy as hell, but Leggette is basically on my do not draft list because of virtually every single analytics/dynasty dork I can find is scared ----less of him and HATES him as a prospect. I haven't dug into the #'s yet, too busy w/a crazy month from hell going on, but Leggette is basically an ugly as hell prospect. If he hits, it will be as an outlier from what I understand. 

 

My guys in terms of value targets are:

Round 2:

Ladd McConkey

Ricky Pearsall

Troy Franklin

Adonai mitchell

Javon Baker

Ja'Lynn Polk

 

Whats scary to me is that while its a great class, really deep and top heavy too, I don't really like many of the day 2 guys a lot beyond McConkey, and Pearsall, and maybe Franklin. Franklin and Mitchell scare the hell out of me, for different reasons, McConkey and Pearsall look like more high floor moderate ceiling guys that make me more comfortable. Not sure what to think of Polk, still looking into Baker, not buying Leggette. 

You are correct, while there is really risk with all prospects, guys like Leggette, Polk, Corley, Wilson, Coleman...a bunch of them. But if they land in the right places they have high potential. I have bought into a number of these guys, especially Leggette. Everyone has their own lists based on there own reasoning. I am highly in favor of having a WR chosen before the 4th round as well as you.

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, DWinzit said:

Working off of your explanation of WR's to fit a QB, and comparing that to the WR's brought in with the top 30 visits (Legette, Thomas, Corley) I'd say and seems you are as well, Daniels.

 

lol, I didn't think of their prodays.  I almost mentioned Corley too -- considering Daniels is good (better than Maye at this) at hitting receivers in stride on the first level for YAC.  

 

Not that i don't think Legette and Thomas would work with Maye but IMO they are tailor made for Daniels.

 

For Maye like I mentioned I love the dudes who killed it between the numbers, on the 2nd level -- McConkey, Pearsall, Wilson.

[The Consigliere]

14 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

To quote a great lyricist, "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" 

 

Lie, la lie,

Lie, la lie, lie lie lie lie

😛

That too, I like to think I'm fair minded, but I have the clearest of biases when it comes to what particular metrics/evaluative tools worry me and what don't, and if a guy bullseyes multiple "alarm bell" traits, and another doesn't, my biases are gonna send me to the quieter profile.

 

I tend to think everyone has some of that, but if there's one thing I've learned the past decade, its to put less investment in what I like, and more in what alarms me (I'm just much better at sniffing out busts, than hits at QB). Of course being an anxiety ridden neurotic, that feeds even more into that "The Boxer" lyric. Me love my anxieties lol (hence the glass is not merely half full, it's poisoned too!!!, and don't you know "you never get involved in a land war in Asia....".). I feel like I'm rolling down a hill in a tire full of my own intellectual blankey biases lol like that Smashing Pumpkins 1979 video.  

Edited April 8 by The Consigliere

[RWJ]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

lol, I didn't think of their prodays.  I almost mentioned Corley too -- considering Daniels is good (better than Maye at this) at hitting receivers in stride on the first level for YAC.  

 

Not that i don't think Legette and Thomas would work with Maye but IMO they are tailor made for Daniels.

 

For Maye like I mentioned I love the dudes who killed it between the numbers, on the 2nd level -- McConkey, Pearsall, Wilson.

Don't have a WR in my wishlist but I do expect a trade down or two with the picks we have and really like Pearsall a lot.