The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[NewCliche21]

2 minutes ago, WashingtonRedWolves said:

Howell's was against ARZ in the home opener, I was there. if i remember correctly he was already down and got slammed in the head, the crowd was livid, I was like you gotta be kidding another major injury to our QB right off the bat but he came right back out like a boss

 

Ahhh, okay. I was there too, now I remember. My son's first game and he got to hear me pissed off on a Sunday during a game except outside this time.

[The Consigliere]

Yeah, I missed that game, I think I was following along on pbp, never saw it. 

[Dah-Dee]

24 minutes ago, Kalu44 said:

 

That sack where the lineman held JD with one arm, while raising his other arm in victory....tells me JD plays at 200lbs max, lol.

 

Yeah, somebody snuck a 2022 lowlight in there from the Georgia game. Daniels actually might have been 200 there.

[Rufus T Firefly]

18 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I could see that, but they are going to show the most vivid, holy ---- hits. It would be nice if they dug through the ASU games to find more though, I agree, but again, if you are that clueless running, doesn't matter if you're flagged or not. Ngata wasn't very nice on the play that started the end of RGIII's career, and flagged or not, the problem was RGIII risking that, not that players are sometimes scoundrels when it comes to hits, Howell took one of those last year as someone on here mentioned this past week, and considering it can happen to anyone at any time, best to avoid self-induced Super Dave Osborne moments to compound the physical risk. 

Still what I see in those hits seems to be different ors most everyone else. The "looney tunes" element to the Daniels hits is the way his head and limbs fly around when the hard contact comes. It's an instinct thing.

 

Why did Griffin get hurt not he Ngata hit? You can blame the hit being late (debatable), but the reason it was so much damage is what his leg is doing.

 

Why the F does his leg fly around like this? Do you ever see this from NFL runners? It's just a weird inability to control your body on big hits that the two of them have. It's hard to imagine it's survivable. It wasn't for RG3.

[Ghost of]

Speaking of Sam Howell---why did the regime give up on him?

was it his Pressure 2 Sack Ratio?

[RWJ]

Just now, Ghost of said:

Speaking of Sam Howell---why did the regime give up on him?

was it his Pressure 2 Sack Ratio?

Because they didn't want there to be any issues between good friends, Maye and Howell as it be best that both wouldn't be on the team together.  

[Dah-Dee]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of said:

Speaking of Sam Howell---why did the regime give up on him?

was it his Pressure 2 Sack Ratio?

 

I still think it was that they just see a much higher ceiling with Maye and didn't want to risk an awkward/weird QB room vibe, especially after Maye's comments to that effect. I think it's been Maye all along and the rest of this circus is just a repeat of the Ben Johnson media frenzy.

Edited April 18 by Dah-Dee

[actorguy1]

Great conversation about Washington's top 30 visits. Now officially known as the "Top Golf Test" 

"All I need to take a quarterback is their S2 score and were they the alpha at the Top Golf Test?" 🤣

 

 

[Dah-Dee]

3 minutes ago, actorguy1 said:

Great conversation about Washington's top 30 visits. Now officially known as the "Top Golf Test" 

"All I need to take a quarterback is their S2 score and were they the alpha at the Top Golf Test?" 🤣

 

 

 

Is the S2 even a thing anymore? Last I heard every agent on the planet was advising their prospects not to take it this year.

[redskinss]

5 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

I still think it was that they just see a much higher ceiling with Maye and didn't want to risk an awkward/weird QB room vibe, especially after Maye's comments to that effect. I think it's been Maye all along and the rest of this circus is just a repeat of the Ben Johnson media frenzy.

 

If we do take maye you'd be pretty hard pressed to convince me that we didn't trade Howell for this reason.

 

You can do your diligence and still have a preference the bears could be doing the exact same thing right now they just chose not to.

[Going Commando]

48 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

You're really that dedicated to that interpretation of what the take away should be on that play?

 

I watch that and I see someone w/the same ability to avoid body trauma as Super Dave Osborne. That's the take away, not that that evil meanie on FSU decided to hit the idiot who decided to run head first, upright, into a gigantic pile of defenders and thank god there was a penalty. 

 

I do not understand what he was thinking.  It was a first down scramble, not a short yardage run where you might move the chains by leaping over the pile.  Why the **** did he try and hurdle a defender in the middle of the scrum?  Well I know why, it's because the guy literally can't see past the man in front of him and he had zero plan beyond making that DT miss.  He has terrible vision as a runner.

 

Also that was never going to be a targeting call.  Jayden's head is way up in the air because he jumped, like a dummy.  No ref is going to bail out a ball carrier for doing something that stupid.

[The Consigliere]

17 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Still what I see in those hits seems to be different ors most everyone else. The "looney tunes" element to the Daniels hits is the way his head and limbs fly around when the hard contact comes. It's an instinct thing.

 

Why did Griffin get hurt not he Ngata hit? You can blame the hit being late (debatable), but the reason it was so much damage is what his leg is doing.

 

Why the F does his leg fly around like this? Do you ever see this from NFL runners? It's just a weird inability to control your body on big hits that the two of them have. It's hard to imagine it's survivable. It wasn't for RG3.

Maybe RGIII didn't do leg day? Daniels just seems really, really whispy thin. When I saw Vick, and especially Lamar, and Randall, they just looked like coiled muscle, thick and strong, RGIII and Daniels seem more like track guys, slim and twitchy explosive, but without the thick musculature. 

[The Consigliere]

18 minutes ago, Ghost of said:

Speaking of Sam Howell---why did the regime give up on him?

was it his Pressure 2 Sack Ratio?

I say this while acknowleding everyone everywhere in the league disagrees w/this take, but watching Howell, and watching Daniels and looking at the CV's, I 100% prefer Howell. If he can get the pressure thing under control, I have little doubt he can be a league average QB and maybe better. I think he showed last year what he could be with adequate talent, playing hard around him, he was consistently in the middle to low middle of most of the analytical categories one cares about, and the #'s only really slid during the team's quitting phase of the season (late November and December) from where they were the first 10-11 games. I'm deeply fearful that Daniels just may not make it in this league period, or may not be healthy enough to stick. I get that the league 1000% disagrees, but I view Howell's floor as significantly higher, even if his ceiling is 100% lower. Maye on the other hand, I view as having both the higher floor and higher ceiling. 

[BurgundyBooger]

RG3 repped 400 lbs squats, right? For a QB, that's pretty good.

[Dah-Dee]

I thought it was interesting during the press conference today that both Newmark and Peters talked about working together for the first time and figuring out what works and what doesn't during this pre-draft process. Might be the closest we get to an admission that the Top Golf Test with 4 blue chip QB prospects the week before the draft maybe wasn't the best idea lol.

[seantaylor=god]

1 minute ago, Dah-Dee said:

I thought it was interesting during the press conference today that both Newmark and Peters talked about working together for the first time and figuring out what works and what doesn't during this pre-draft process. Might be the closest we get to an admission that the Top Golf Test with 4 blue chip QB prospects the week before the draft maybe wasn't the best idea lol.

I don’t think they were referring to that, they both seemed to reflect positively on it.

 

I think it was more general.

 

Also, I was impressed by Lance. GMAP is always impressive too.

[Dah-Dee]

2 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

I don’t think they were referring to that, they both seemed to reflect positively on it.

 

I think it was more general.

 

Also, I was impressed by Lance. GMAP is always impressive too.

 

Yeah, I remember Newmark made positive comments about the group field trip, on the other hand his boss who came up with the idea was sitting next to him at a press conference, so who knows lol.

 

I really did like Newmark though, seems thoughtful and a good moderator for GMAP's eternal optimism.

Edited April 18 by Dah-Dee

[Warhead36]

I think even after a decision is made, nothing will be leaked.

[WashingtonRedWolves]

25 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

I still think it was that they just see a much higher ceiling with Maye and didn't want to risk an awkward/weird QB room vibe, especially after Maye's comments to that effect. I think it's been Maye all along and the rest of this circus is just a repeat of the Ben Johnson media frenzy.

Pretty much have come around to this even though I was always fine with either Maye or Daniels. Maye and Mccarthy have always seemed more likeable to me personality-wise than Daniels. As if I'd be way more excited when one of them gets hyped up after a big play/game for us and really see one as the face of this franchise. Daniels is extremely skilled but I think it's just a bit off-putting how quiet and reserved he comes off as, even though its not really his fault. That's just how he is. It's kind of like for me how endearing Ovi has been with his personality since he first came here. Crosby has always been right up there with him skill-wise but not nearly as likeable

 

Just hoping and praying that whether its Maye or McCarthy, they don't make us wait for a long time before suiting up

[The Consigliere]

20 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

I do not understand what he was thinking.  It was a first down scramble, not a short yardage run where you might move the chains by leaping over the pile.  Why the **** did he try and hurdle a defender in the middle of the scrum?  Well I know why, it's because the guy literally can't see past the man in front of him and he had zero plan beyond making that DT miss.  He has terrible vision as a runner.

 

Also that was never going to be a targeting call.  Jayden's head is way up in the air because he jumped, like a dummy.  No ref is going to bail out a ball carrier for doing something that stupid.

I wasn't speaking to flag or not. Someone else brought that up and I view it as totally immaterial. If you lose your franchise QB to another RGIII like knee debacle, you're not gonna give a ---- one way or the other about if the refs made the call right, or if they pulled an angel hernandez. No penalty called or uncalled is making up for a dumb --- career ending injury. My deal was, like you, wtf was he thinking? The Super Dave analogy is very apropos, much like Rufus' looney toons reference. On what planet does that make sense? You are going to get smashed periodicially in this league and it isn't gonna be your fault: sometimes you just don't see the guy coming, as our franchise became notorious for in 1985. You can't avoid that, but the reason people keep showing the 3 or 4 hits on repeat over and over is because they're all utterly inexplicable and moronic. They are all Jayden Daniels as "Brian Moorman" getting smashed by the late great Sean Taylor at the pro bowl" level stupid, but even worse, because at least Moorman was running into a God of hitting, playing on God Mode/Pete Rose All Star Game Setting at the pro bowl. In Daniels case, he keeps getting smashed over and over in multiple games, Moorman vs Sean Taylor style for no reason, in totally avoidable fashions over and over again against Joe Random players. Moorman was stupid enough to do that once, and never again, Daniels seems to make a habit of it, in the same freaking season, game to freaking game. It's beyond stupid, even if it just happened 4x in college, it should've been 1, and if you are being blown apart like Wile E Coyote, after you impact the ground following falling off the cliff, there's clearly something wrong in your approach. The guy is literally being ripped apart like the Sun going Supernova, over and over again, its beyond ridiculous. Even if it's a half dozen times or less, it's hard to find that many "Holy ----!" hits on any single individual player in their entire career, let alone a season or 2. 

 

And as you and I say, that run against FSU into the line? Seriously? That's Super Dave Osborne load me into the cannon at the carnival level stupid. It's literally impossible to even understand watching it, what the hell he was thinking. 

Edited April 18 by The Consigliere

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

3 hours ago, sinews said:

GMAP just all but confirmed staying at 2, so we can dispense with the outside chance of a tradedown. 

@JamesMadisonSkinsas “the snake”. 😆

 

 

Edited April 18 by AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy

[Dah-Dee]

25 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Daniels just seems really, really whispy thin. When I saw Vick, and especially Lamar, and Randall, they just looked like coiled muscle, thick and strong, RGIII and Daniels seem more like track guys, slim and twitchy explosive, but without the thick musculature. 

 

I think the RG3 build comparison is good, and agree that Vick/Lamar are better built / more solid. Not so sure on Randall though, when he came into the league that guy was 6'4" and 212 pounds of skinneeeeee, looks like he's wearing his big brother's jersey here:

 

Edited April 18 by Dah-Dee

[The Consigliere]

That's fair, when I think of Randall, I think of him more 1987-1990 rather than '85-'86, not surprised he was a bit on the thin side coming out of UNLV. 

Did he have crazy broad shoulders, or more crazy shoulder pads? He always seemed like he was running around like a Quetzalcoatlus

Edited April 18 by The Consigliere

[SoCalSkins]

1 hour ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

I posted last night that tge smart move for anyone who thinks Maye is gonna be our guy, was to make a bet immediately before the odds get adjusted. 

 

I'm not saying Maye is definitely the choice m, just that with this news I knew the public would react to it forcing the casinos to respond by changing the odds.

It keeps moving toward Maye. I wish online betting was legal in California. I did put $200 on Maye in Vegas 2 weeks ago but I got +140 on $100 and +120 on the other $100. 
 

Right now it’s -165 Daniels and +120 Maye it was -350 Daniels and +250 Maye last night. So big shift.

[Ghost of]

It was the 80s. Everyone's shoulder pads were outsized.