2022 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Commander_N_Chief]

I just did a mock, and I think I found my happy place:

 

 

Traded down a bit and picked up 2 3rds, 1 4th, and a 2023 second.  Still love this haul and would be extremely content if Washington came out with something like this.

[Warhead36]

A QB in the 3rd is a wasted pick

[mistertim]

58 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said:

Which one is going to beat press coverage better and more consistently. That’s been an issue with all of our recent WRs not named McLaurin.

 

IMO out of Garrett or Olave that's going to be Garrett. He plays stronger, is more sudden in his movements, and has better short area quickness than Olave.

 

I see Olave's potential as a slightly slower Santana Moss. I see Garrett's potential as a slightly less refined OBJ. I think Garrett has more of a shot at being a superstar, whereas Olave is more polished right now and has a higher floor.

[Commander_N_Chief]

33 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

A QB in the 3rd is a wasted pick

Disagree, it depends where you grade them.  I have a high second round grade on Strong, to get him in the 3rd is a steal.  He also fixes our issue for next year at worse...who is the backup qb.  At best it fixes a possible issue next year...who replaces Carson Wentz.

[mistertim]

41 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

A QB in the 3rd is a wasted pick

 

I think it depends on expectations. If your expectation is that he's the QB of the future, then yeah...that's dumb. If your expectation is that he could be a high quality backup then I think that's fine. Though I'd personally prefer they go after a backup type QB later in the draft and use the 3rd on RB/OL/TE or something along those lines. 

[RWJ]

I wonder what the Commanders thoughts are on ILB Troy Andersen?  The guy was a QB, RB, played WR and then LB.  He's a multi-talented player rising up boards.  They met with him or going to meet with him.  Not the same positions but I remember when we drafted Brian Mitchell, and he was a QB and used as a RB and return specialist.  

[Warhead36]

47 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

IMO out of Garrett or Olave that's going to be Garrett. He plays stronger, is more sudden in his movements, and has better short area quickness than Olave.

 

I see Olave's potential as a slightly slower Santana Moss. I see Garrett's potential as a slightly less refined OBJ. I think Garrett has more of a shot at being a superstar, whereas Olave is more polished right now and has a higher floor.

I think Olave has more upside than that. He reminds me a lot of Justin Jefferson with how smooth and fluid he moves. I personally don't care much about YAC if you're mostly catching passes well downfield anyway. If you're already giving me 20 yard catches I don't care if you can't get another 4 or 5.

[skinny21]

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Soon come meboy. Imma get a black one, too!

I get what you are saying, but flip side, we will probably have a rookie QB sooner than later and having two solid TEs with some seasoning would really be a boon for him. 

 

And Wentz loves his TEs, so it's certainly a good idea to load up on the position.

This is a great point I hadn’t thought of.  On top of that, TEs often take time to develop and we only have Thomas for 2 more years and Bates for 3, so it makes some sense to have a steady pipeline there.

I saw you mention (and I completely agree) that the benefit of looking at TE (and running back) in rds 3/4 is that you’re more likely getting a more of a top prospect at the position, vs many other positions.  That’s not me saying they’ll always be BPA at that point of course, I just generally like the theory of the value there.

[Anselmheifer]

45 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

IMO out of Garrett or Olave that's going to be Garrett. He plays stronger, is more sudden in his movements, and has better short area quickness than Olave.

 

I see Olave's potential as a slightly slower Santana Moss. I see Garrett's potential as a slightly less refined OBJ. I think Garrett has more of a shot at being a superstar, whereas Olave is more polished right now and has a higher floor.

I just don’t see the Olave Santana Moss comps. Moss was an elite run jump athlete that was also great tracking the ball. He was just under 5’10”,

ran a 4.31 and had a 42 inch vertical, which he actually used to good effect in contested catch situations. He was a great YAC guy. Quick twitch.
 

Olave is fast enough, but not in that category, and he’s not an explosive jumper. I don’t think he’s going to be a YAC guy in the league and I don’t think he’s going to lead the league in YPC.

 

Olave is smooth. He has good but not great speed. He’s going to run great routes, be where he is supposed to be and catch the ball. I’m having a hard time thinking of a comp for his ceiling. I think he lacks the play strength of a Justin Jefferson…

 

Does anyone else have a likely pro comp for Olave and a best case scenario comp?

[Koolblue13]

3 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

This is a great point I hadn’t thought of.  On top of that, TEs often take time to develop and we only have Thomas for 2 more years and Bates for 3, so it makes some sense to have a steady pipeline there.

I saw you mention (and I completely agree) that the benefit of looking at TE (and running back) in rds 3/4 is that you’re more likely getting a more of a top prospect at the position, vs many other positions.  That’s not me saying they’ll always be BPA at that point of course, I just generally like the theory of the value there.

Round 4 is definitely where you find the first real run of TEs. 

 

I'd love to add someone who compliments Bates. Faster, quicker receiver type, but still more of an inline blocking TE when he has to be. I love the way the Patriots run 12 personnel and I think that would really fit Turners offense. Especially if we had a TE who could play some H back.

[mistertim]

13 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I think Olave has more upside than that. He reminds me a lot of Justin Jefferson with how smooth and fluid he moves. I personally don't care much about YAC if you're mostly catching passes well downfield anyway. If you're already giving me 20 yard catches I don't care if you can't get another 4 or 5.

 

The main reason I think Olave has limited upside is because the things he lacks a bit like short area burst and the ability to break tackles and make guys miss are mostly things that can't be taught. IMO Justin Jefferson has much more explosion and is much tougher to bring down. Olave isn't a very twitchy athlete.

 

And if I'm taking a WR in the 1st I don't want a guy who's going to go down on first contact. I want a guy who has the ability to break tackles and make guys miss. A 1st round WR should have #1 receiver talent and most #1 receivers have YAC attributes.

[method man]

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

The main reason I think Olave has limited upside is because the things he lacks a bit like short area burst and the ability to break tackles and make guys miss are mostly things that can't be taught. IMO Justin Jefferson has much more explosion and is much tougher to bring down. Olave isn't a very twitchy athlete.

 

And if I'm taking a WR in the 1st I don't want a guy who's going to go down on first contact. I want a guy who has the ability to break tackles and make guys miss. A 1st round WR should have #1 receiver talent and most #1 receivers have YAC attributes.

Exactly this. I’d be fine with him late first but certainly not in the top 15

[Rex Tomb]

1 hour ago, Commander_N_Chief said:

I just did a mock, and I think I found my happy place:

 

Traded down a bit and picked up 2 3rds, 1 4th, and a 2023 second.  Still love this haul and would be extremely content if Washington came out with something like this.

If that were our draft I think I would be pretty disappointed.  Not much done to address our offense, when our WR corps was rather pathetic outside of McLaurin. We have to add weapons to really open things up for Wentz and company.

[KDawg]

2 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

I’d add CB to that list. St-Juste missed a ton of time with that concussion. That’s a red flag and often a recurrent problem. WJIII was underwhelming. We could use a young guy with athleticism to groom. 
 

Regarding tight end, if Logan Thomas were healthy, I wouldn’t give it a lot of thought. He’s coming back from that ACL and Wentz has really leaned on having a bigger target. It’s probably less of an issue if we draft Drake London. 

I’m not worried about CB, either. It’s a volatile position. We have guys that can play there. If there’s a BPA, sure. But it’s not something I’d weight heavily in a BPA formula. I’d weight FS higher.

Edited April 2, 2022 by KDawg

[Ball Security]

Without any trades I did a mock and came away with:

Hamilton

Dotson

Darian Kinnard OL

Daniel Bellinger TE

Sincere McCormick RB

D’Marco Jackson LB

 

I’d be happy with that.

 

[Commander_N_Chief]

44 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said:

If that were our draft I think I would be pretty disappointed.  Not much done to address our offense, when our WR corps was rather pathetic outside of McLaurin. We have to add weapons to really open things up for Wentz and company.

I understand that but I'm banking on Curtis coming back healthy and Dyami actually getting looks now that he has a qb that can throw the ball downfield.  There were plenty of times he was open last year and never got the ball thrown his way once he got down 20-25 yards from the line of scrimmage.  I also think in general our WR core will look dramatically improved with better QB play.

[Anselmheifer]

51 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

The main reason I think Olave has limited upside is because the things he lacks a bit like short area burst and the ability to break tackles and make guys miss are mostly things that can't be taught. IMO Justin Jefferson has much more explosion and is much tougher to bring down. Olave isn't a very twitchy athlete.

 

And if I'm taking a WR in the 1st I don't want a guy who's going to go down on first contact. I want a guy who has the ability to break tackles and make guys miss. A 1st round WR should have #1 receiver talent and most #1 receivers have YAC attributes.

Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62 and had a 31 inch vert and 116 inch broad. And no, I’m not comparing Olave to Kupp or saying that he will be comparably good. 
 

I do think I’ve figured out my Olave comp. It’s Calvin Ridley. Their height/weight/arm length/vertical line up almost exactly and Olave’s broad was 14” better. Both were very productive collegiate receivers, consistent over multiple years, and solid route runners. 

 

Olave/Ridley: height 6’0”/6’0.5”   weight 187/189   arm span 31 1/8”/31 5/8” forty 4.39/4.43. Vertical 32”/31” broad jump 124”/110”. 

I could easily see Olave having a Ridley like career, especially initially. Hit the ground running and peak at a borderline pro bowl, but not all pro level. 

[philibusters]

One of the things I don't like about draft simulators are they make it too easy to trade down and give

1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

 

Olave is smooth. He has good but not great speed. He’s going to run great routes, be where he is supposed to be and catch the ball. I’m having a hard time thinking of a comp for his ceiling. 

 

 

Terry McLaurin?

[mistertim]

12 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62 and had a 31 inch vert and 116 inch broad. And no, I’m not comparing Olave to Kupp or saying that he will be comparably good. 
 

I do think I’ve figured out my Olave comp. It’s Calvin Ridley. Their height/weight/arm length/vertical line up almost exactly and Olave’s broad was 14” better. Both were very productive collegiate receivers, consistent over multiple years, and solid route runners. 

 

Olave/Ridley: height 6’0”/6’0.5”   weight 187/189   arm span 31 1/8”/31 5/8” forty 4.39/4.43. Vertical 32”/31” broad jump 124”/110”. 

I could easily see Olave having a Ridley like career, especially initially. Hit the ground running and peak at a borderline pro bowl, but not all pro level. 

 

Yeah I can see some Ridley in him, though IMO Ridley is sharper coming in and out of his breaks than Olave, but they're both smooth and both pretty polished.

 

9 minutes ago, philibusters said:

 

Terry McLaurin?

 

I don't see many similarities there. I see more of Terry in Wilson than I do Olave. Terry is a very explosive and twitchy route runner who is also a beast with YAC. Olave by contast is a very smooth route runner who's not especially sudden and who often goes down with first contact.

[Anselmheifer]

10 minutes ago, philibusters said:

 

Terry McLaurin?

McLaurin is faster, more explosive, stronger, and more heavily built. I don’t see Olave being the contested catch monster or the YAC guy that Terry is. I could see peak Olave, in Washington, putting up similar numbers to Terry’s, but only because our QB is upgraded and he would playing across from Terry. 
 

All of this is obviously speculative. But I stand by the Calvin Ridley comp. 
 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

From espn insider

 

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[skinny21]

38 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62 and had a 31 inch vert and 116 inch broad. And no, I’m not comparing Olave to Kupp or saying that he will be comparably good. 
 

I do think I’ve figured out my Olave comp. It’s Calvin Ridley. Their height/weight/arm length/vertical line up almost exactly and Olave’s broad was 14” better. Both were very productive collegiate receivers, consistent over multiple years, and solid route runners. 

 

Olave/Ridley: height 6’0”/6’0.5”   weight 187/189   arm span 31 1/8”/31 5/8” forty 4.39/4.43. Vertical 32”/31” broad jump 124”/110”. 

I could easily see Olave having a Ridley like career, especially initially. Hit the ground running and peak at a borderline pro bowl, but not all pro level. 

I saw that comp elsewhere and it fits to me - not that I’ve followed Ridley’s career, but the descriptions sound quite similar.

35 minutes ago, philibusters said:

One of the things I don't like about draft simulators are they make it too easy to trade down and give

 

Terry McLaurin?

McLaurin-lite, or semi-lite?

 

I can understand concerns about Olave not having the upside of a #1 stud, there is something to be said though for that safety of a high end contributor, along with a built in friendship/mentorship already on the team.  A Ridley type isn’t a game breaker, but they also don’t grow on trees. He seems fairly well-rounded, albeit with strengths and weaknesses.  I like the connection with Terry for a few different reasons.

 

Is he worth #11?  Or good value there?  I don’t pretend to know.

[Anselmheifer]

KDawg, as the local Drake supporter, who is your pro comp for Drake London? He’s a little tricky. I think his short area quickness is better than most guys his size. Was it SIP that compared him to Jordan Reed? I can see some of those qualities, but he’s obviously more slightly built with better deep speed. Hmmmm

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

KDawg, as the local Drake supporter, who is your pro comp for Drake London? He’s a little tricky. I think his short area quickness is better than most guys his size. Was it SIP that compared him to Jordan Reed? I can see some of those qualities, but he’s obviously more slightly built with better deep speed. Hmmmm

I compared him to Jordan Reed because watching his releases, the way he separates in short spaces, the way he contorts his body, etc really reminded me of Jordan. 

 

I don't mean the Reed stuff as a shot, Reed was an amazing player but couldn't stay healthy.  I know obviously Reed is a tight end.  But having watched Reed back a bunch of times its amazing to me how some of Drake's moves remind me of him.  The body language, the way they juke players, etc. Both players were really good basketball players and move in that mode. 

 

If he runs a 4.6 or better on Monday, he's my #1 WR.  If not, its Wilson. 
 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

Listening to Tannebaum, ex-GM on Kiper's podcast.

 

A.  lol, finally someone does the Tyreek Hill comp to Jameson Williams that I like to give.  The reason why I think he's in that flavor is because he's a threat both underneath and deep.  He loves Williams, a top 5 player in the draft to him but he drops him to the late first because of his injury.

 

B.  Speaking of injuries he wouldn't touch Stingley early.  He said playing only 10 games in 2 years is a major red flag

 

C.  He loves Sauce Gardner.  Saying a shut down corner can help make a defense

 

D.  He likes Hamilton saying smart players like that in the backfield is what Belichick in particular feeds off of in his schemes

 

E.  He likes T. Walker but he thinks his lack of production is a red flag

 

F.  He thinks the depth in this draft is too good and the draft isn't top heavy enough to warrant a lot of trade down action where teams will want to trade up