2022 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I know some are going to think it's because I like him most... But Paulsen and now this guy... neither even mentioned Howell. I'm amazed by that.

 

Seems like the mock drafters seem to have very different takes.  Just like we all do here.  and supposedly so do the scouts.

 

This is how Miller ranks them.

 

11. Washington Football Team—QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss 

The Football Team will likely be heavily involved in quarterback trade talks this off-season, but outside of Ron Rivera there isn’t much here (from an ownership and front office perspective) to make it an attractive destination for established starters. Instead, look for Washington to be very involved in the first-round crop of quarterbacks. Matt Corral has the arm strength and athleticism to be the dual-threat difference-maker this offense needs. There are rumors of prickliness in his personality, but Rivera isn’t the type to mind.

 

18. New Orleans Saints—QB Kenny Pickett, Pitt 

A good pre-draft process could definitely push Kenny Pickett up the board, but right now he ranks as a mid-first round talent. That’s perfect for the New Orleans Saints where Pickett’s accuracy, anticipation, and moxie would make him the Week 1 starter in 2022. Pickett doesn’t have the big-time elite traits, but he’s simply a really smooth passer with the tools to be a good mid-level starter in the pros that can be elevated with a good team around him.

 

20. Pittsburgh Steelers—QB Carson Strong, Nevada 

Questions about a knee injury could affect Strong’s draft stock, but with Ben Roetliisberger likely done in Pittsburgh there is a need for a big-armed passer who can work with the team’s talented receivers. Strong fits the bill of a passer able to handle the weather in the Steel City but does lack the top-end athleticism that many teams prefer. If the Steelers are willing to stick with a pocket quarterback, Strong is ideal.

 

27. Detroit Lions (f/LAR)—QB Malik Willis, Liberty

The Lions went with pass-rusher Aidan Hutchinson at No. 2 overall due to this being a weak quarterback class but they still land a viable future starter in Malik Willis. Based purely on traits, Willis is the most intriguing of the ‘22 class. He has to speed up his process and cut down on his turnovers, but the arm talent and athleticism he possesses are worth trying to develop. As a late-first-rounder, the pressure would be off Willis to save the Lions and instead give him time to acclimate and learn.

 

Round 2

33. Jaguars—CB Andrew Booth Jr., Clemson

34. Lions—DT Jordan Davis, Georgia

35. Jets—OL Darian Kinnard, Kentucky

36. Giants—CB Trent McDuffie, Washington 

37. Texans—RB Breece Hall, Iowa State 

38. Jets (f/CAR)—WR John Metchie III, Alabama

39. Bears—OG Zion Johnson, Boston College

40. Broncos—QB Sam Howell, North Carolina 

41. Seahawks—EDGE Cameron Thomas, San Diego State 

42. WFT—WR David Bell, Purdue 

43. Falcons—QB Desmond Ridder, Cincinnati 

44. Browns—LB Henry To'o To'o, Alabama 

45. Ravens—DT Devonte Wyatt, Georgia 

46. Vikings—CB Derion Kendrick, Georgia 

47. Colts—CB Kyler Gordon, Washington

48. Chargers—EDGE Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State 

49. Saints—WR George Pickens, Georgia 

50. Dolphins—RB Isaiah Spiller, Texas A&M 

51. Eagles—OL Kenyon Green, Texas A&M

52. Steelers—OT Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan 

53. 49ers—CB Kaiir Elam, Florida

54. Raiders—LB Christian Harris, Alabama

55. Patriots—S Lewis Cine, Georgia

56. Cardinals—TE Jalen Wydermyer, Texas A&M

57. Bengals—CB Coby Bryant, Cincinnati

58. Bills—DT Phidarian Mathis, Alabama 

59. Cowboys—S Jordan Battle, Alabama 

60. Broncos (f/LAR)—LB Brandon Smith, Penn State

61. Chiefs—DE Jermaine Johnson, Florida State

62. Buccaneers—RB Kenneth Walker III, Michigan State

63. Falcons (f/TEN)—WR Khalil Shakir, Boise State 

64. Packers—WR Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama 

 

 

[Chris 44]

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I want my QBs to be competitive dicks. The best all are. 

 

Nice guys get you Patrick Ramsey and Jason Campbell.

Brady, Rodgers....I see your point. lol

[hot4u]

Mel Kiper has WFT picking Willis at 11 Corral to Steelers

[kingdaddy]

1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

I would personally prioritise TE over WR. That said, we could really do with adding one of each this offseason. Samuel needs to be healthy.

And Dyami Brown needs to take a huge leap forward if he's gonna be the steal of a pick many people thinks he was. I have high hopes for him.

[Commander_N_Chief]

18 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

And Dyami Brown needs to take a huge leap forward if he's gonna be the steal of a pick many people thinks he was. I have high hopes for him.

I know I was one of the people extremely high on the Brown pick and I think the potential was slightly shown towards the last few games.  Unfortunately we need to get a qb with an arm to hit deep threats for a deep threat specialist to thrive

[Chump Bailey]

58 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

63. Falcons (f/TEN)—WR Khalil Shakir, Boise State 

 

Thought he was a good sleeper pick for us in the 3rd/4th. Perhaps he's higher ranked than I thought. 

[kingdaddy]

16 minutes ago, thelongestbreath said:

I know I was one of the people extremely high on the Brown pick and I think the potential was slightly shown towards the last few games.  Unfortunately we need to get a qb with an arm to hit deep threats for a deep threat specialist to thrive

Yeah, that and he needs to stay healthy so he can get reps. We need him to be what we think he can be.

[Llevron]

5 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Yeah, that and he needs to stay healthy so he can get reps. We need him to be what we think he can be.

 

I think if we can get a full season out of Samuels and Terry together, Browns role will be much easier for him. Atleast thats what I hope. 

[Chump Bailey]

I'd rank the QB's thus far:

 

1. Pickett 

2. Corral

3. Howell

4. Willis

5. Strong

6. Ridder

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, Chris 44 said:

Brady, Rodgers....I see your point. lol

 

Meh. I don't really buy this whole "you have to be an asshole to be a top QB" thing.

 

A person can be competitive and not necessarily be a complete jackoff. Montana, Brees, Peyton, Steve Young, Mahomes, Romo (don't kill me, but I've never heard anything but nice things about the guy as a person) are just a few examples of QBs who are or were very successful and are reportedly very nice guys.

 

Competitive? Sure. But not complete dicks like Brady seems to be a lot of the time.

[CobraCommander]

I can't remember a draft where there was so little consensus on QB rankings as this one. It's terrifying. 

[duffy]

5 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Meh. I don't really buy this whole "you have to be an asshole to be a top QB" thing.

 

A person can be competitive and not necessarily be a complete jackoff. Montana, Brees, Peyton, Steve Young, Mahomes, Romo (don't kill me, but I've never heard anything but nice things about the guy as a person) are just a few examples of QBs who are or were very successful and are reportedly very nice guys.

 

Competitive? Sure. But not complete dicks like Brady seems to be a lot of the time.

I wouldn't include Romo in that grouping. He may be as nice, but not as successful. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by duffy

[CobraCommander]

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Meh. I don't really buy this whole "you have to be an asshole to be a top QB" thing.

 

A person can be competitive and not necessarily be a complete jackoff. Montana, Brees, Peyton, Steve Young, Mahomes, Romo (don't kill me, but I've never heard anything but nice things about the guy as a person) are just a few examples of QBs who are or were very successful and are reportedly very nice guys.

 

Competitive? Sure. But not complete dicks like Brady seems to be a lot of the time.

I feel like Brees and Young are secretly huge pricks. I don't know why but they give me a weird vibe.

[Mooka]

8 minutes ago, Florgon79 said:

I can't remember a draft where there was so little consensus on QB rankings as this one. It's terrifying. 

 

Nah, better for us at #11.

 

Normally we'd have no chance landing the top QB in the draft outside the top 5. 

[Commander_N_Chief]

45 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Yeah, that and he needs to stay healthy so he can get reps. We need him to be what we think he can be.

The big plus for him is that I don't believe health was an issue for him at North Carolina.  I'm hoping this past season was a one off for him.  None of it matters though if we don't fix our qb issues either by way of draft or FA.

[duffy]

20 minutes ago, Florgon79 said:

I can't remember a draft where there was so little consensus on QB rankings as this one. It's terrifying. 

The only one that comes closest to me is 2014. The rest I looked at seem to have had a clear favorite to be the first QB selected. 

2014	1	1	3	3	Blake Bortles	Jaguars	Central Florida
	2	1	22	22	Johnny Manziel	Browns	Texas A&M
	3	1	32	32	Teddy Bridgewater	Vikings	Louisville
	4	2	4	36	Derek Carr	Raiders	Fresno State

 

[mistertim]

34 minutes ago, duffy said:

I wouldn't include Romo in that grouping. He may be as nice, but not as successful. 

 

Yeah he's certainly not in the same category as HoF players, but he just came to mind as a guy who was a good QB and is apparently also a pretty good dude off the field.

[mistertim]

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

I'm still curious what gives people (not here, necessarily, more like "Draftniks") pause on Howell to rate him the fourth best QB in this class.

 

He's still my 1.

 

And last year he would have been my 3. (Lawrence, Fields)

 

I always assumed it was because his passing stats went down some from his 2020 season. But that's pretty understandable considering how many weapons he lost after last season. He basically had to make up for the drop off in their run game on his own as well.

Edited January 19, 2022 by mistertim

[TradeTheBeal!]

3 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

A Liberty kid at #11, eh?  @TryTheBeal!will be a big fan, to be sure.  

It’s all God’s plan.

[Commander_N_Chief]

just ran my first mock simulator of the year.  A few notes, I don't think Dean lasts that far into the first but 3 qbs went in the first 10 and then a giant lull.  I had the option of Carson Strong or Malik Willis...though I'm probably Carson Strong's #1 promotor on this board at the moment...I went based on how I feel Rivera and staff will go.  Given he said he wants a qb with twitch and ability to run I'd assume he goes Willis over Strong.  I consider Breece Hall a luxury pick in the 3rd but he'd fit in quite nicely with AG and hopefully JD back.  Jeremy Ruckert I could easily be swayed on but there was not much value at the pick from where I was drafting(rbs/tes galore).  Would probably consider a trade down from that spot if given the opportunity.  Nick Ford has great potential as guard and provides versatility having played all over the line with Utah.  Tre Turner imo had the most potential out of the project wideouts that were left and I wanted to grab one.  Overall I'd be pretty happy if this ended up being the draft given we fix issues at FS via FA.

 

11

Round: 1

Nakobe Dean

LB | Georgia

42

Round: 2

Malik Willis

QB | Liberty

73

Round: 3

Breece Hall

RB | Iowa State

109

Round: 4

Jeremy Ruckert

TE | Ohio State

188

Round: 6

Nick Ford

IOL | Utah

226

Round: 7

Tre Turner

WR | Virginia Tech

Round 1

[Conn]

2 hours ago, hot4u said:

Mel Kiper has WFT picking Willis at 11 Corral to Steelers

I think it would be after a trade up rather than waiting at 11, but this rings most true to me so far. Willis is the guy I keep thinking Rivera could talk himself into shooting for the moon with. He’s not a HC who will choose a more pro-ready but lower ceiling guy just bc he’s afraid for his job. He’ll believe he can earn the time to develop his guy and shoot for ceiling imo. 

[Est.1974]

22 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

I think it would be after a trade up rather than waiting at 11, but this rings most true to me so far. Willis is the guy I keep thinking Rivera could talk himself into shooting for the moon with. He’s not a HC who will choose a more pro-ready but lower ceiling guy just bc he’s afraid for his job. He’ll believe he can earn the time to develop his guy and shoot for ceiling imo. 

If we are going QB in the draft, I think we’ll jump up the order too.

[skinny21]

6 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

Lock is not a fringe starter. I prefer Heinicke over Lock. The only thing Lock does better than Heinicke is he has a better arm. 

 

For the record, I don't think it matters how any of what you said goes. At least one, if not more, QBs are going in the top 10. 

 

Don't forget that if Jones/Mayfield are traded or moved on from (Jones I can see, Mayfield I can't) then that creates a need for them as well. There are too many QB needy teams and not enough QBs. 

Yeah, obviously the hope for us is that those teams ahead of us go for the ‘team building’ route, rather than going qb… I’m just not sure why they (most of them) would.  Didn’t work out great for us.  

 

And then, to your point, if they trade for a veteran qb, they’re probably giving up their early pick to a team that will now need one - except maybe Green Bay (Love), Houston (Mills) and San Fran (Lance).  Raiders, Atlanta, Seattle, NYG, Cleveland and Detroit are the obvious ones, even if I doubt we see much movement of vets.  IMO, Carolina and Denver are desperate for qbs, and the Giants would be asinine not to draft one… assuming they don’t trade for one, and it’s hard for me to see 2 or 3 of them pulling off Wilson/Watson/Rodgers.

 

And then of course, we’re in a position of having to move up, and our best bet is the Jets (because the FO can’t just hope one of the qb needy team trades with us), and can’t just sit on their hands and hope a qb the staff likes falls to us.  Which of course means both giving up significant resources - maybe something like next year’s 1st and a player or 2 future 1sts (for a guy that may not be worth it) - and a lot of pressure on that guy (and the staff) to succeed.

 

To me, as I alluded to, the staff can’t risk missing out on a face of the franchise qb, whether it’s a rookie or vet.  So getting a stop gap and hoping a rookie falls to 11 is out.  Trading for one of the top vets, while maybe the “safest”, is very unlikely.  So I think it’s either a big trade up, or (less likely, IMO) something like trading next year’s 1st for Ryan or Garrapolo and hoping their guy drops to 11, and if he doesn’t, at least you have a “bigger name” qb in the fold.

 

Maybe I’m way off base though.  Maybe they really like Strong, Ridder or someone like Zappe and trade up into the 1st for one of them.  Who knows.

[Chump Bailey]

10 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Maybe I’m way off base though.  Maybe they really like Strong, Ridder or someone like Zappe and trade up into the 1st for one of them.  Who knows.

 

Ridder has question marks, as all these QB's do, but that dude has a live arm. I'm higher on him than most. Some of his passes in the Alabama game were elite level IMO. 

 

[mistertim]

53 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

Ridder has question marks, as all these QB's do, but that dude has a live arm. I'm higher on him than most. Some of his passes in the Alabama game were elite level IMO. 

 

 

My main issue with Ridder (and I think @Skinsinparadisehas noted this several times too) is inconsistency. His footwork is inconsistent, his decision making is inconsistent and his overall accuracy is inconsistent. He'll make a great read and drop an absolute dime one play and then sail a pass or make a complete head scratcher the next. 

 

That stuff can be improved and coached up obviously, but IMO that inconsistency moves him down the draft board because while you can get away with some of those inconsistencies in college, in the NFL with much tighter windows it's just asking for trouble.

 

I think he's most likely a 2nd rounder at this point.

Edited January 19, 2022 by mistertim