The Vaccine Thread

[goskins10]

3 minutes ago, purbeast said:

That guy is not funny... at all.

 

Your are free to your opinion as I am to mine. I think he is funny as hell. I find the satire to be hilarious and cleverly written. But to each their own. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

42 minutes ago, purbeast said:

That guy is not funny... at all.

 

So I should not have been laughing during the video?...Dammit.

[The Evil Genius]

Spoilers for the f bomb in the tweet.

 

Spoiler

 

[Dan T.]

 

Rhonda wins Twitter today...

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Dan T.

[mistertim]

Because I'm sure those guys were definitely getting tons of women before imposing more strict requirements.

[Llevron]

48 minutes ago, mistertim said:

Because I'm sure those guys were definitely getting tons of women before imposing more strict requirements.

 

One of those strapping lads was quoted saying "Wettness all around me, true. But im not island." 

[Dan T.]

 

[China]

Roughly 3,000 city workers might be fired for defying the vaccination mandate. That figure could grow.

 

Thousands of New York City municipal workers will lose their jobs by the end of the day Friday if they are not fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, about two weeks after they were warned by the Adams administration to adhere to a policy implemented in October.

 

Yet while approximately 3,000 city workers — less than 1% of the city's total workforce — are slated for termination for defying the vaccination policy, more employees could still lose their jobs.

 

As it stands, the city has received 13,044 religious and medical accommodation requests for a vaccine exemption, of which 54% have been processed, with 2,118 approved and 4,912 denied, according to figures provided by City Hall. The rest are still being processed, raising the possibility that more city workers could be let go if their request is denied and they continue to decline the shot.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[tshile]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pfizer-covid-vaccine-kids-fda-authorization-postponed-rcna15730
 

good. They should have never submitted that nonsense in the first place. 
 

do things correctly the first time. 
 

im guessing they voluntarily pulled it cause they didn’t want the bad PR of the FDA saying “uh… no we don’t do things that way around here. Try again”

 

it was a bad idea to ask for approval to inject kids with something the data said didn’t work - under the guise of “we promise we’ll be back soon with a plan that does work”

[TheGoodBits]

39 minutes ago, tshile said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pfizer-covid-vaccine-kids-fda-authorization-postponed-rcna15730
 

good. They should have never submitted that nonsense in the first place. 
 

do things correctly the first time. 
 

im guessing they voluntarily pulled it cause they didn’t want the bad PR of the FDA saying “uh… no we don’t do things that way around here. Try again”

 

it was a bad idea to ask for approval to inject kids with something the data said didn’t work - under the guise of “we promise we’ll be back soon with a plan that does work”

Wrong. It’s works fine, just not *as good* as they wanted. Their rationale for not submitting is that it wasn’t urgent. Which millions of parents might disagree with. The FDA disagrees too, they were the ones pushing Pfizer to submit for an EUA. From our trial: 
 

“I wanted to reach out again to confirm the recent news that Pfizer is in fact NOT applying for Emergency Use Authorization at this time. Due to the recent decrease in COVID cases due to omicron running its course, the FDA decided to postpone their request to review Pfizer’s application for Emergency use approval for two doses of what is expected to be a three dose series, as they feel the sense of urgency has changed. As of now, I don’t know when they plan to revisit this discussion of EUA approval—the only information I received in my meeting with Pfizer today was that this would be revisited once the necessary data from the third study dose was received. Seeing as we started administering third study doses a couple weeks ago, it could be as soon as early April as today’s press statement conveyed, however this timeline has not been relayed to me directly.”

 

Edit- I stopped raging long enough to read the email again and it sounds like FDA canceled their request. Which I mean good lord stop flip flopping on this. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by TheGoodBits

[tshile]

10 minutes ago, TheGoodBits said:

Wrong. It’s works fine, just not *as good* as they wanted

No. I’m not wrong 

 

Quote

"They discovered that two low doses of the vaccine appeared to protect children 6 months to 2 years old, but did not protect those ages 2 to 5. So the companies started testing a third dose on those kids," Stein says.

DID NOT PROTECT

 

they wanted approval for something they didn’t have the data to support, under the guise that they promised to be back with data to show a 3rd shot worked and would then get that approved. 
 

which is not how you do things. 
 

i don’t care what pretty PR dressing they put on it today. 
 

the fda has been pressured hard since they submitted to not go this bogus route. It compromises the integrity of the system. 
 

do things the right way. 

[TheGoodBits]

3 hours ago, tshile said:

No. I’m not wrong 

 

DID NOT PROTECT

 

they wanted approval for something they didn’t have the data to support, under the guise that they promised to be back with data to show a 3rd shot worked and would then get that approved. 
 

which is not how you do things. 
 

i don’t care what pretty PR dressing they put on it today. 
 

the fda has been pressured hard since they submitted to not go this bogus route. It compromises the integrity of the system. 
 

do things the right way. 

You’re absolutely wrong. But that’s  understandable, because you are basing your opinion on what has been reported, which in incomplete information. It’s not public yet because Pfizer still hasn’t actually submitted the data into public record. 
 

I’m probably going to get a little too much into the weeds here, but I want you to understand what and how they are measuring.
 

There are two ways during this trial they are analyzing efficacy. 
 

The first is comparing clinical results of vaccinated vs control subjects. This won’t work for kids for a few reasons. Due to sample size and limited numbers of severe outcomes for kids to begin with, if you are comparing hospitalization/death rates between vaccine group and placebo (n=1000), it’s fairly likely the number for each is zero or close to it.
 

Case count between the groups is also fairly irrelevant in the omicron era as we know there are high levels of infection even among vaccinated and boosted people. 
 

So with the aforementioned limitations, how do they measure efficacy? They take blood draws to measure level of antibodies. In a vaccine trial, antibody response should be present in the vast majority of patients who got the shot. Near universal. As a result, pharmaceutical companies have a VERY high threshold to submit to the FDA. Pfizer was looking to see 98% of their vaccine group (6mo-4.99yr) demonstrate a sufficient level of antibodies in the blood following their second dose. Please note that there are a WIDE range of ages and weights being analyzed. They didn’t get 98%. They got 90%. 90% of kids who got the shot in the trial showed sufficient levels of blood antibodies. Now that’s not perfect, but it’s also not bad. 
 

The reason for this seems to be they simply miscalculated the dose required for the older/bigger kids in the trial. Maybe 4 year olds should have used the same dose as 5+. Maybe 3 year olds too, not sure. They base the doses for the trials on a VERY small number of phase one trial patients. There was just some data missed. The third dose is their way to accelerate the process for approval rather than restart on a different dose. 
 

But to be clear: there absolutely is clear clinical data suggesting the two dose vaccine has a benefit in the vast majority of kids in the category. Combined with the complete lack of severe side effects, and moving forward with it while the third dose is pending review SHOULD be a no brainer. The reasons not to are trivial and misguided, and the messaging around this has been horrific. This should have been submitted and approved back in December like the original plan was. 
 

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by TheGoodBits

[Dan T.]

This is a fun thread to scroll through:

 

 

[Elessar78]

Human body and immune system is so whack. Ages 0-2 good, 2-4 no protection, 5-99 great protection. 

[TheGoodBits]

24 minutes ago, Elessar78 said:

Human body and immune system is so whack. Ages 0-2 good, 2-4 no protection, 5-99 great protection. 

More like 0-2 great, 2-4 decent but probably needed a slightly higher dose. 

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[China]

Many faith leaders wary of religious exemptions for vaccine

 

By the thousands, Americans have been seeking religious exemptions in order to circumvent COVID-19 vaccine mandates, but generally they are doing so without the encouragement of major denominations and prominent religious leaders.

 

From the Vatican, Pope Francis has defended the vaccines as “the most reasonable solution to the pandemic.” The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America declared categorically that its followers would not be offered religious exemptions. Robert Jeffress, the conservative pastor of a Baptist megachurch in Dallas, voiced similar sentiments.

 

“Since there is no credible biblical argument against vaccines, we have refused to offer exemptions to the handful of people who have requested them,” Jeffress told The Associated Press via email. “People may have strong medical or political objections to government-mandated vaccines, but just because those objections are strongly felt does not elevate them to a religious belief that should be accommodated.”

 

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[JCB]

Man, when Robert freaking Jeffress is a voice of reason on this issue, you know how far off the deep end the rest of 'em are.

[China]

States Where the Most People Are Refusing the COVID-19 Vaccine

 

According to a recent survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, 23,830,000 Americans — or 9.6% of the 18 and older population — say they will either probably or definitely not agree to receive the vaccination.

 

The share of Americans who will likely refuse vaccination varies considerably nationwide, from as many as 20.5% of the adult population to as little as 3.6%, depending on the state.

Many Americans who have yet to be vaccinated cite one of three reasons: either they are concerned about possible side effects, or they want to wait to see if it is safe, or it is difficult for them to obtain a vaccination. Others cite different reasons.

 

Nationwide, 14,120,000 people, 5.7% of the adult population, do not trust the COVID-19 vaccines, and another 6,980,000, or 2.8%, do not think COVID-19 is a big threat. Additionally, 12,130,000 American adults, or 4.9% of the 18 and older population, have not been vaccinated because they do not trust the government.

 

Meanwhile, the virus continues to spread. Since the beginning of the pandemic, there have been 76,448,067 confirmed cases of the virus and a total of 902,189 Americans have died as a result.

 

So far, 213,430,434 Americans — or 65.2% of the total population — have received the full course of vaccinations necessary to protect against COVID-19.

 

All survey data used in this story was published by the Census on Jan. 19, 2022. All data related to COVID-19 infections, fatalities, and vaccinations is current as of Feb. 10, 2022.

 

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[Califan007 The Constipated]

It's amazing what people think are "A-HA!" moments lol...

[China]

S.D. lawmakers OK vaccine exemptions, ivermectin

 

Majorities of South Dakota lawmakers decided two big policies on COVID-19 treatment in the span of a half-hour Monday afternoon.

 

They don’t want people to have to accept employers’ orders to get COVID-19 vaccines, in most cases. And they want people to be able to use ivermectin as an alternative if prescribers agree.

 

The state House of Representatives voted 40-28 for an amended version of legislation Monday that lets medical practitioners prescribe ivermectin for purposes that don’t have federal approval.

 

Representative Phil Jensen, R-Rapid City, is prime sponsor of HB 1267. It now goes to the Senate for further action, where lead sponsor is Senator Julie Frye-Mueller, R-Rapid City.

“The more I looked at the amended bill, the more I liked it,” said Representative Fred Deutsch, R-Florence, a retired chiropractor. “It’s permissive – ‘a practitioner may’.”

 

Representative Paul Miskimins, R-Mitchell, a retired dentist, urged the House to oppose the ivermectin bill. He said ivermectin already can be prescribed, noting that his physician offered it to him if his COVID-19 worsened.

 

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[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

[China]

This seems like someone who should be in jail:

 

U.S. Marine Reservist Already Charged in Jan. 6 Capitol Riot Case Busted for Fake Covid Vaccine ID Scam

 

A U.S. Marine Corps Reservist from New York who previously was arrested on charges related to participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has been charged in a new case of conspiring to sell fake Covid-19 vaccination cards to fellow reservists, prosecutors said Thursday.

 

The reservist, 26-year-old Queens resident Jia Liu, is accused of conspiring with a nurse named Steven Rodriguez, 27, to defraud the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in the fake card distribution scheme, according to prosecutors in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn.

 

Liu separately is charged with providing these cards to Marine Corps reservists, thus defrauding the Defense Department.

 

The Defense Department previously ordered that all active and reserve military service members be vaccinated against Covid from August to January.

 

Liu's alleged distribution of the fake cards to other Marin reservists helped them evade this requirement, prosecutors noted.

 

"By deliberately distributing fraudulent COVID-19 vaccination cards to the unvaccinated, the defendants put military and other communities at risk of contracting a virus that has already claimed nearly one million lives in this country," stated U.S. Attorney Breon Peace.

 

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