The Vaccine Thread

[Ball Security]

21 minutes ago, mojo said:

Sorry, it’s the Delta so you’re dead too.  But since you’re vaxxed, you can have  ‘I win’ engraved on your tombstone.

Wait, do you think the vaccinated and unvaccinated are on equal footing as far as severe symptoms, hospitalizations, and deaths from the Delta variant?  
 

Now, this could be true with future variants because too many people are too ill-informed to get vaccinated.

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, tmandoug1 said:

I said he cared about people dying but his image was more important. 

 

The idea that Donald Trump cares about anyone other than himself dying is patently ludicrous. 

[mojo]

4 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

Don't quote me while you need to figure out a different & very long-term poster.  

I was joking as well by the way.

And don’t tell me to F off if you don’t want a response.

[tshile]

The anti vaxxers/science/intelligence people are playing a game of words. It’s frustrating because some of them know they’re doing it and the rest are not smart enough to know they’re doing it - they’re just regurgitating what they hear from their preferred news sources. And to be fair the shows I follow on npr are not doing a good job either. 
 

there’s a difference between saying vaccinated have the same amount of virus as unvaccinated, and vaccinated are impacted as much as unvaccinated

 

We always knew vaccinated could still get covid. We always knew they could spread it. As far as I’m aware the cdc numbers are comparing vaccinated OG covid to vaccinated delta variant - which is different than comparing to unvaccinated OG covid or unvaccinated delta. 
 

Just because more vaccinated people are getting delta covid, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with the vaccine. In fact, basic common ****ing sense would suggest the stark difference in hospitalizations is a better indicator of comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. Even that’s blurry because a hospitalization doesn’t mean critical care - which is the real issue. ICU or other critical care covid boardings would be a better metric. 
 

And finally people that understand the basics of the vaccine wouldn’t even bother with these arguments because if they understood the basics well they’d realize they sound like an idiot. 
 

unless they think it’s you that’s the idiot 

[zCommander]

43 minutes ago, mojo said:

Sorry, it’s the Delta so you’re dead too.  But since you’re vaxxed, you can have  ‘I win’ engraved on your tombstone.

 

Let me try again with you...

 

But one thing that is unique about Delta is how quickly it is spreading, says F. Perry Wilson, MD, a Yale Medicine epidemiologist. Around the world, he says, “Delta will certainly accelerate the pandemic.”  

 

From what we know so far, people who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus appear to have protection against Delta, but anyone who is unvaccinated and not practicing preventive strategies is at risk for infection by the new variant, the doctors say.

[NoCalMike]

1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Trump made a conscious play in Summer 20 to spread and exacerbate the virus as much as possible.  In the hopes that the resulting terror would destabilize the the country to the degree that he could postpone or cancel the election.  When that didn’t come off, he still went all in on the insurrection.  Couldn’t swing that either…yet.

 

Thats it.  That was the plan.  Nothing more.

 

Not only that but he was desperately trying to push hard on the false narrative about mail-in voting being full of fraud and trying to sabotage it via Dejoy as the USPS postmaster general. It was an effort to overturn the election before the election had even started.  Not only was he downplaying covid but he was trying to use it to his re-election campaign's advantage.

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[Ball Security]

2 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

I know, right.  My children’s pediatrician has two waiting rooms.  One for well visits and one sick visits.  You damn right I’m Rosa Parks and sit beside a bunch of snot-dripping kids on the sick side.  I shall overcome!

[Riggo-toni]

8 hours ago, Jumbo said:

people mainly talked about needing the money for school supplies and gas

Was one of those people Matt Gaetz?

[Larry]

3 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

 

1)  Do you actually not know what "segregation" means?  Or are you just lying?  

 

2)  And I oppose this policy.  For lots of reasons.  

 

Unlike the folks who were falsely making this claim, earlier, this actually is a HIPPA violation.  

 

And frankly, the only possible reason for doing it, is to literally encourage the players to take action against their unvaccinated teammates.  

[TradeTheBeal!]

Only Larry could horseshoe this thing into a hippa violation.

[The 12th Commandment]

NFL owners acting like the robber barons they are.   Ruthless sum****es.

[bearrock]

9 minutes ago, Larry said:

Unlike the folks who were falsely making this claim, earlier, this actually is a HIPPA violation.  

 

Wisdom of the policy aside, why would the NFL or the team be a covered entity under HIPPA?

[mistertim]

17 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

 

I had no idea that being Black was 1) a personal choice, and 2) a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus.

 

Learn something new every day I guess.

[Ball Security]

Just now, bearrock said:

 

Wisdom of the policy aside, why would the NFL or the team be a covered entity under HIPPA?

It’s as if they don’t have something called an injury report.

[Larry]

4 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

Wisdom of the policy aside, why would the NFL or the team be a covered entity under HIPPA?

 

Because they possess protected health information?  

[Larry]

6 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I had no idea that being Black was 1) a personal choice, and 2) a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus.

 

Learn something new every day I guess.

 

He said neither of those things.  

 

However, are you saying that making someone wear a special identification, publicly visible, to identify themselves as a member of a group, is all right in this case, because "it's a choice"?  

 

(I'll confess, I've been wanting to throw that like at some "conservatives" who are trying to pull the "you're discriminating against me, merely because I'm endangering the health and lives of my fellow citizens" type of fake-victim-hood, for some time.  But I've been resisting.)  

[bearrock]

12 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Because they possess protected health information?  

 

As an employer.  They don't fall under the definition of entities covered by HIPPA as far as I can tell.

[Dont Taze Me Bro]

1 minute ago, bearrock said:

 

As an employer.  They don't fall under the definition of entities covered by HIPPA as far as I can tell.

 

They don't.  This article explains it all.

 

https://deadspin.com/do-hipaa-laws-apply-to-athletes-1844195531

[mistertim]

2 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

He said neither of those things.  

 

However, are you saying that making someone wear a special identification, publicly visible, to identify themselves as a member of a group, is all right in this case, because "it's a choice"?  

 

(I'll confess, I've been wanting to throw that like at some "conservatives" who are trying to pull the "you're discriminating against me, merely because I'm endangering the health and lives of my fellow citizens" type of fake-victim-hood, for some time.  But I've been resisting.)  

 

He made a direct comparison to the segregation of the 60s. People then were being discriminated against because of the color of their skin. This situation doesn't have anything in common with that because being black wasn't a choice, and it also wasn't something that was a massive and contagious public health hazard.

 

As for this whole bracelet thing I'm personally not a fan of the idea in general, but until "non-vaccinated" is a protected class of person, the NFL has the right to handle it in that way if they think it's the best method to deal with a deadly disease and the fact that they have players who are refusing to be vaccinated despite the pleas of health experts and their teams.

[Larry]

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

He made a direct comparison to the segregation of the 60s. People then were being discriminated against because of the color of their skin. This situation doesn't have anything in common with that because being black wasn't a choice, and it also wasn't something that was a massive and contagious public health hazard.

 

As for this whole bracelet thing I'm personally not a fan of the idea in general, but until "non-vaccinated" is a protected class of person, the NFL has the right to handle it in that way if they think it's the best method to deal with a deadly disease and the fact that they have players who are refusing to be vaccinated despite the pleas of health experts and their teams.

 

1)  So, what I'm seeing now is that no, you weren't arguing that singling people out is OK because it's a choice.  But were rather engaging in the common tactic of pointing out that someone's analogy does not agree on every single point with the (is "analogized" a word?)  

 

  

 

2)  And I'll now comment that I would have no problem at all with the NFL (or the teams) simply mandating that all employees get vaccinated.  Sorry guys - you want to make the Big Bucks and compete in this extremely limited level, there's things you have to do.  Taking reasonable precautions to not potentially kill or cripple the other people you're intending to be in very close physical contact with, is one of them.  Don't like it?  There's 40 people who are eager to have your job.  

[mistertim]

7 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

1)  So, what I'm seeing now is that no, you weren't arguing that singling people out is OK because it's a choice.  But were rather engaging in the common tactic of pointing out that someone's analogy does not agree on every single point with the (is "analogized" a word?)  

 

  

 

2)  And I'll now comment that I would have no problem at all with the NFL (or the teams) simply mandating that all employees get vaccinated.  Sorry guys - you want to make the Big Bucks and compete in this extremely limited level, there's things you have to do.  Taking reasonable precautions to not potentially kill or cripple the other people you're intending to be in very close physical contact with, is one of them.  Don't like it?  There's 40 people who are eager to have your job.  

 

1) It wasn't that the analogy didn't agree on every single point. It's that the two things had nothing in common as far as their reasons for being. And to me the two biggest examples of that were those of being black not being a choice and also not being a highly contagious and potentially deadly disease. 

 

2) Agreed. I would actually much prefer the NFL declare that it's mandatory and if players don't follow those rules then they can be benched/released and forfeit their contract as opposed to the wristband thing.

[gbear]

https://apple.news/ArucoU9xATrOVXAzqHVJxrw

I keep saying this needs to be repeated till the sun stops rising. There has been data out before this. Why do we need it verified 1k times? If men will take Viagra to prevent ED, tell me we won't get two shots.

Maybe this is why I am not a bioethisist. I would take out ads on Fox to promote this story (and maybe a copy posted in the Redskins locker room).

[Cooked Crack]

 

Okay.

[Ball Security]

17 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

Okay.

Gotta pump up those unemployment numbers before the midterms.