Koolblue13 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, wilco_holland said: Personally I rather see WR or LB in the draft first round and if Smith is not a option sign a different veteran QB. Why? I think a good D with decent veteran QB will help us maximise that potential short term. Then in a couple of years year after year we need to sign D pieces to new contracts. That's when you want to have the rookie QB. To have the cap to keep the D together. Right now we have the room to overpay for a veteran QB. I agree with this. Develop a QB for a couple years, then when it's time to pay our DEs, we have the cap space and a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Got to be QB or OT for me first up. I’m finding it hard to gauge where that sweat spot for getting a LB is going to be. We need a significant upgrade, is that going to be possible rounds 3/4 or is it going to take a higher pick. Seems that way to me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, CapsSkins said: It's funny bc I believe that you believe you're not against trading for assets. But then the only guys you say you'd make a splashy trade for are probable/guaranteed Hall of Famers (Rodgers, Mahomes) or bona fide young stars (Allen, Murray). It's like when investors say they're down to invest but want a surefire 20% return with no risk. Like you're basically saying you don't want to play at all I know your point is that it's a timing thing, and you think we're far enough away from true contention that it doesn't make sense to overspend for assets. I would both disagree on timing & what constitutes "mortgaging the future". I don't know if you've seen my posts about competitive windows, which I believe come in 1-3 year intervals (and can stack one after another), but I believe we've basically opened one starting next year rolling through 2023 when the 2019 draft class finishes up their rookie deals. I don't have any delusions that I'll persuade you to think differently. I was just stating where we align and where we don't on draft approach. But I will say this, I believe Ron will have a veteran starting week 1 of 2021 and I'd bet it's a guy not currently on our roster. 5 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said: We don’t disagree much overall, you want to take good shots. You mentioned the draft kids aren’t whales, and the fact is we dont know that today. That’s where you rely on your people’s evaluation, if there is consensus Or a strong case is made that either Fields or Wilson is legit then I don’t blink and I pull the trigger. If they feel strongly about either, we’ll know come the draft. I’d be fine with it and hope their right. Deal with later, later, if we get it wrong. With Stafford or Ryan Or someone else, we’d give up less capital, know exactly what we are getting, but would come with higher cap costs/effects and their known weaknesses. But it’s workable. This option provides a bit more clarity in the risk assessment, so maybe Ron likes this route better. Idk. Id just remind myself If I were the decision maker to not let the unknown or fear stop me from being Uber aggressive at solving the QB dilemma ASAP, but still take good shots. I think my point of view is getting skewed a little here. I am okay trading assets for a vet. I’d prefer to have it not be our first. But if it is then only the first or a first and a mid rounder. Multiple firsts for anyone I didn’t name scares the crap out of me. Second, I’d do a big trade for Fields. But I don’t think anyone in that draft slot is going to any to trade as far back as we are currently slotted. Third, I’d be excited to have Matt Stafford here for football reasons. If they announced we got him I’d be really excited for the positive opportunities he’d bring. But I’d be really wary of what we gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 If we’re moving up giving a bunch of picks it better by Lawrence. I think Wilson is good but we’re not in a luxury position to give up tons of picks on a QB that is 50/50 gonna translate to the NFL. The fact is we could use those picks to secure our back field for years with Harris or find a WR to compliment Terry or improve our LB core. Plus if Jets are trying to get out I’m not giving them the farm. I’ll pay up but I’m not getting robbed in broad daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, KDawg said: I think my point of view is getting skewed a little here. I am okay trading assets for a vet. I’d prefer to have it not be our first. But if it is then only the first or a first and a mid rounder. Multiple firsts for anyone I didn’t name scares the crap out of me. Second, I’d do a big trade for Fields. But I don’t think anyone in that draft slot is going to any to trade as far back as we are currently slotted. Third, I’d be excited to have Matt Stafford here for football reasons. If they announced we got him I’d be really excited for the positive opportunities he’d bring. But I’d be really wary of what we gave up. I'm picking up what you're putting down my man. If you trade a first for an older QB, you're potentially selling the future and kicking that can down the road and hurting your cap number, less talent at other positions. Drafting a QB in the first gives you the 5th year option and if that QB works out, you will be able to have more talent at other positions. Trading a 1rst for a vet means that you will in the next couple years, still be using a first to draft another QB- 2 1rsts Moving up will take 2 1rsts So we can sort of assume that we will be using , potentially, 2 1rst round picks on a QB over the next 3 years. Give or take. trading up is more of a gamble, but leaves your cap protected. I guess it just comes down to opinion. Mine is that we have used 4 1rsts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds and a great young player to address the QB position in 8 years and have nobody. We've seen what happens when you can hit on 1rst rounders at other positions. We've gotten wins with ball management and not a lot of talent. Get a journeyman, build a real team, groom a QB and win along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said: I was kind of hoping that @bakedtater1would be able to give us some potato prospect insight on this game. Famous Idaho Potato Bowl https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/21/famous-idaho-potato-bowl-tulane-vs-nevada-odds-picks-and-prediction/ I dont watch college football..at all...ever...sooo not sure what kind of insight your looking for..I'm guessing this game is played in Boise in that blue turf stadium..I've never been in that stadium...Boise is clear across the state from me so I've never been to a idaho potato bowl sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Tomasie Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Got to be QB or OT for me first up. I’m finding it hard to gauge where that sweat spot for getting a LB is going to be. We need a significant upgrade, is that going to be possible rounds 3/4 or is it going to take a higher pick. Seems that way to me?? If we end up at pick 19, I could see trying to trade up to the pick 8-10 range to try to get Lance or Jones. But if it was me I might punt on drafting ae seem to be a lot of qb high this year. I was actually looking at highlights of inside linebackers and honestly didn't like the guys that some popular sites were projecting for the second rd. Thought the 3rd might be better. There seem to be a lot of under-sized backers out there. But I thought Ernest Jones of South Carolina and Chazz Surratt of UNC at least look like they have good instincts and the frames to add a little more muscle. We're not talking stars, but could shore up the position and help plug running lanes. And a couple sites had them pegged in the 3rd round range. At LB, you may be better off finding a gem on the FA market or some other teams practice squad. Rookie inside linebackers seem to need a lot of time to adjust well to the NFL. Remember how long Antonio Pierce hung around this team as a backup/Special Teams player before becoming a good starter? Lorenzo Alexander too. Would love to find a Lorenzo Alexander type off someone's practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I'm picking up what you're putting down my man. If you trade a first for an older QB, you're potentially selling the future and kicking that can down the road and hurting your cap number, less talent at other positions. Drafting a QB in the first gives you the 5th year option and if that QB works out, you will be able to have more talent at other positions. Trading a 1rst for a vet means that you will in the next couple years, still be using a first to draft another QB- 2 1rsts Moving up will take 2 1rsts So we can sort of assume that we will be using , potentially, 2 1rst round picks on a QB over the next 3 years. Give or take. trading up is more of a gamble, but leaves your cap protected. I guess it just comes down to opinion. Mine is that we have used 4 1rsts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds and a great young player to address the QB position in 8 years and have nobody. We've seen what happens when you can hit on 1rst rounders at other positions. We've gotten wins with ball management and not a lot of talent. Get a journeyman, build a real team, groom a QB and win along the way. I don’t think we should give up on QB due to previous resources used, but I do think we need to be careful about the resources we have. Trading for a vet means less time with them and then more resources invested just as you described. It’s also rare to see a vet change teams and do as well as they had previously. Especially one that’s been in one place for a decade plus. Brady is doing okay in Tampa, but look what he’s surrounded by: one of the top OLs in the league, weapons galore, a decent running attack. And he’s still been under scrutiny for his play. Though he has had a statistically very solid year. Here’s the thing, though... Brady went there as a free agent. Not as a trade. So what did Tampa give up if the experiment didn’t work? Just some cap space. I don’t advocate paying big money for a QB FA, either. But it’s better than giving the draft capital up on top of the salary. I just don’t like the quick band aid rather than the build it approach. We need a plan at quarterback, for sure. But taking a flier on the wrong one only really hurts you when you invest multiple resources into it. Multiple firsts and cap is the worst. Multiple draft picks but getting a 5 year contract rookie to grow in your system is risky but much easier to recover from. Using lower end draft capital to move up a few spots is even better still. Using cap space isn’t as good as the aforementioned, but it’s better than cap + assets. Its about balancing. You can’t mortgage your future for a quick fix. Yes - if it works things look great. But I don’t think it changes that it’s a mistake in my eyes that has a higher percentage of failure than success (failure here means a similar position to where we are with Smith record wise as our quarterback for instance...) and not to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, any trade you go for has to give you Lombardi aspirations. If it doesn’t give you that and you give up a large payload, it wasn’t a winning trade. It succeeded in stop gapping you while you are unable to stockpile rookie talent due to assets given up and FA talent due to cap taken and toils you in mediocrity or slightly above and all it proves to do is make your draft pick worse year to year with no hope of drafting or trading for (you used your assets on the vet) your franchise QB. Id rather take the gamble to trade up for Fields or Lawrence if we’re trading draft capital. You get a five year window that way on a rookie deal. So while you lose the ability to build through the draft (not totally of course in either the vet or rookie case), you can still build around them. I would not give up precious draft assets to the same tune of what it would take to get Lawrence or in my view Fields for Lance or Wilson. I would likely move up for them but not at the same premium. Wilson’s injuries are worrisome. He has had hand and shoulder injuries to his throwing arm. The shoulder is his labrum. Which can be a nagging issue down the line. His skill set is good and he has franchise potential... but he’s not a guy I’d risk so much for. But to trade a 2 and a 1 swap for him? I would consider that. Lance’s ceiling is phenomenal but to give up too much for him when his floor is lower is a risky affair. I like the idea of making a move at QB, but I don’t like the idea of forcing it. 25 minutes ago, Rolo Tomasie said: If we end up at pick 19, I could see trying to trade up to the pick 8-10 range to try to get Lance or Jones. But if it was me I might punt on drafting ae seem to be a lot of qb high this year. I was actually looking at highlights of inside linebackers and honestly didn't like the guys that some popular sites were projecting for the second rd. Thought the 3rd might be better. There seem to be a lot of under-sized backers out there. But I thought Ernest Jones of South Carolina and Chazz Surratt of UNC at least look like they have good instincts and the frames to add a little more muscle. We're not talking stars, but could shore up the position and help plug running lanes. And a couple sites had them pegged in the 3rd round range. At LB, you may be better off finding a gem on the FA market or some other teams practice squad. Rookie inside linebackers seem to need a lot of time to adjust well to the NFL. Remember how long Antonio Pierce hung around this team as a backup/Special Teams player before becoming a good starter? Lorenzo Alexander too. Would love to find a Lorenzo Alexander type off someone's practice squad. I think Khaleke Hudson can fill in as an OLB if we’re in 4-3 personnel or an inside guy if we are in 4-2 personnel. His development is moving along fairly nicely. I plan on doing a Hudson watch and grade in the offseason or soon to see what he really brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Trading for Stafford, especially a first and more would be a similar effect as giving up a ton for RG3, while getting hit in the cap for a couple years, to trade for a good year that we are still paying for. Much smaller scale, same possible outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 The solution to the scenarios @KDawg and @Koolblue13 are laying out is good drafting. If you look at any team that has contended for championships over a long stretch of time, I believe they're unafraid to spend assets to make moves for good players, and good drafting (particularly in later rounds) makes sure the cupboards stay stocked. That ensures a new competitive window opens up at the conclusion of the current one. Then once they're in that new window, they again are unafraid to spend assets to bring in good players. I also believe you can't be afraid to lose good players. Look at the Steelers. They pump out great wide receivers, let a lot of them go, and keep developing new ones. Look at the Pats. Unafraid to bring guys in and let their own go, but they develop new talent as well. And those aren't all 1st round picks. I don't believe we need to use a 1st necessarily on our QB of the future. We should go BPA and eventually just bet on the right guy, whether that's 1st round or 2nd round or 3rd. Right now, we have an usually stacked D-line. So I say, let's load up as much as we can to turn that into a Super Bowl victory. That means a de-risked veteran starter, some more skill guys, and fixing LB (plus additional depth across the board). After this window closes, we'll let some of those guys go and then construct a new contending team with a bit of a different mix for the next competitive window. Pushing in the chips for the short-term while drafting and developing well for the long-term is the recipe for sustained long-term success IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, CapsSkins said: The solution to the scenarios @KDawg and @Koolblue13 are laying out is good drafting. If you look at any team that has contended for championships over a long stretch of time, I believe they're unafraid to spend assets to make moves for good players, and good drafting (particularly in later rounds) makes sure the cupboards stay stocked. That ensures a new competitive window opens up at the conclusion of the current one. Then once they're in that new window, they again are unafraid to spend assets to bring in good players. I also believe you can't be afraid to lose good players. Look at the Steelers. They pump out great wide receivers, let a lot of them go, and keep developing new ones. Look at the Pats. Unafraid to bring guys in and let their own go, but they develop new talent as well. And those aren't all 1st round picks. I don't believe we need to use a 1st necessarily on our QB of the future. We should go BPA and eventually just bet on the right guy, whether that's 1st round or 2nd round or 3rd. Right now, we have an usually stacked D-line. So I say, let's load up as much as we can to turn that into a Super Bowl victory. That means a de-risked veteran starter, some more skill guys, and fixing LB (plus additional depth across the board). After this window closes, we'll let some of those guys go and then construct a new contending team with a bit of a different mix for the next competitive window. Pushing in the chips for the short-term while drafting and developing well for the long-term is the recipe for sustained long-term success IMO. Well sure, buy like I said, we haven't made any good moves for a long time. 4 1rsts, 3 2nds, 3 3rds, 1 4rth and lost a player to trade for 2 older QBs, 2 highly drafted ones and a late round one who's been the best QB out of them over the last 10 years. That is horrific. We haven't had the resources to draft well. That's been changing the last couple years though, but it'll take time. Dumping the cap and losing a 1rst is brutal and we don't have the team there yet. Our Dline will be the same for 2 maybe three years. Plenty of time to develop a QB and build a team around them, while being competitive and winning a lot of games. Trade for Stafford and in 3 or 4 years you're looking at a total rebuild again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 11 hours ago, KDawg said: I just don’t love the idea of giving up assets on this team at the moment - I don’t think we’re a QB away. I think we need a lot more and I think we’re going to lose some pieces that are key cogs in the offseason. I think this is mainly where I disagree. I think this team is super close, other than at QB. We beat the Steelers, who have lost some luster but are still 11-3, and had a solid chance to beat the 10-4 Seahawks in the last 2 minutes. The old Washington team would have come apart and been blown out. But this team almost won, despite not having a QB. I think we have a realistic chance to win 6 out of our last 7 games. We certainly need a LB, FS, OT and WR. Frankly though, even if we make a big trade to move up in the draft, or trade assets for a veteran QB, we would still have enough money to sign Allen Robinson and Levonte David in free agency. Draft OT in the 2nd. I think we are one draft, FA period and QB away from being the annual NFCE champs and that with a combination of luck and opportunity, that could all come together this year. 12 hours ago, KDawg said: I didn't realize he'd had a labrum surgery. think he’s the least likely of the 4 top QBs to do it. Not just skills, but he’s had shoulder and I believe elbow surgery as well? Not sure on the elbow. Shoulder yes. Trading up for him could be a death sentence and you give yourself the gas. I didn't realize he'd had surgery on his labrum. Still, that was 2018, and he looks to be trouble free now for the last 2 years. And that's the same surgery Drew Brees had, but Brees reportedly had a massive labrum tear. Football isn't baseball. You're not throwing at 95% all the time. You don't see a lot of QB's with chronic labrum issues. I can't really name one. Here is an article about Wilson's surgery. https://universe.byu.edu/2019/06/18/zach-wilson-explains-shoulder-injuries-on-media-day/ 12 hours ago, KDawg said: Theres 2 QBs worth that in this draft I think... and I wouldn’t do it for them, either. Now that's crazy talk. I'd move up for Lawrence for an RGIII package. Imagine our current team, but with Trevor Lawrence and Allen Robinson and a LB. Anyway, we are beating a dead horse. KDawg, you were all over our problems at LB before anyone else. What are your feelings about the LB's in the draft. Are there non-1st round guys that you think could immediately impact our defense? Is Zaven Collins worth a 1st even if he costs you the chance to draft an OT like Darrisaw or Cosmi? I think this year, there are some intriguing OT prospects that could fall for whatever reason. Walker little, for instance. I don't know if he falls all the way to the 2nd, but Zaven Collins, Walker little, Levonte David and Allen Robinson in FA could make us dangerous, if we figure out the QB spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 hours ago, bakedtater1 said: Welp..I know theres a tater tossing contest..who ever can get the tater closest to the center of the ring at midfield wins a life time of taters..kinda where I got the idea when asking tk to throw a tater on the field for me I don't know man. If you create a duplicate account on ES just one more time, simply because your phone broke or got lost, then I think @TK isn't just going to throw a tater on the field, but he's going to throw a @bakedtater1 and a @bakedtater2 on the field too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, CapsSkins said: The solution to the scenarios @KDawg and @Koolblue13 are laying out is good drafting. If you look at any team that has contended for championships over a long stretch of time, I believe they're unafraid to spend assets to make moves for good players, and good drafting (particularly in later rounds) makes sure the cupboards stay stocked. That ensures a new competitive window opens up at the conclusion of the current one. Then once they're in that new window, they again are unafraid to spend assets to bring in good players. I also believe you can't be afraid to lose good players. Look at the Steelers. They pump out great wide receivers, let a lot of them go, and keep developing new ones. Look at the Pats. Unafraid to bring guys in and let their own go, but they develop new talent as well. And those aren't all 1st round picks. I don't believe we need to use a 1st necessarily on our QB of the future. We should go BPA and eventually just bet on the right guy, whether that's 1st round or 2nd round or 3rd. Right now, we have an usually stacked D-line. So I say, let's load up as much as we can to turn that into a Super Bowl victory. That means a de-risked veteran starter, some more skill guys, and fixing LB (plus additional depth across the board). After this window closes, we'll let some of those guys go and then construct a new contending team with a bit of a different mix for the next competitive window. Pushing in the chips for the short-term while drafting and developing well for the long-term is the recipe for sustained long-term success IMO. Here's what making a run to the Super Bowl entails: 1) Shoring up the LT spot. 2) Figuring out Center. Roullier is a FA and will demand 10-15/year. Ismael hasn't seen much field action but could be viable. 3) Figure out Right Guard. Scherff is a FA and will demand 13-20/year. 4) Figure out guard depth. Schweitzer can start. Charles could be a viable option at a guard spot or a tackle spot, we don't know. He looked great in his two plays, though. 5) We need to add a running back to take some load off of Gibson. It's a necessity. Doesn't have to be a world beater, but it sure would be nice to add a guy like Najee Harris. 6) We need another receiver. Likely in the slot. But McLaurin can play in the slot, too. So even an outside guy makes sense. 7) This is priority number one in my mind if we ever want to think we have a good defense... linebackers. We need linebackers. I'd draft one and sign one and then have Holcomb and Hudson and we go from a poor group to a good one overnight. 8 ) CB may become an issue position. If we let Darby walk, which we may need to, we will need a starter there. I thought Moreau could do it but the coaches apparently don't feel the same. 9) We could use some help at free safety but I don't view that as a dire need. 10) Of course we need a quarterback I think we're a ways further from being in a Super Bowl window and I don't buy the whole "Washington has an elite defense" talk. We have an elite defensive line. We have poor linebackers. We have middle of the road safeties. We have good corners. Now if you go by what's under contract in 2021: 1) Quarterback - Smith and Haskins only 2 under contract - C- 2) Running back - Good group. Gibson, McKissick are two very good backs that when fresh can do a lot of damage. Barber is good in his niche but we need a bellcow type to help change looks for the defense and keep our receiving backs fresh - B- 3) Wide Receiver - Terry McLaurin is the only A talent in the group. Steven Sims is a non factor. This group is a D. May improve with Harmon but I can't put my eggs in that basket. 4) Tight End - We have a top 15 tight end in the league right now. We also have absolutely no depth. C- 5) Center - Under contract we have Ismael. D. 6) Guard - Under contract, Martin, Schweitzer and Charles - C 7) Tackle - Moses, Lucas - C (no depth) 8 ) Corner - Under contract is Fuller, Moreland, Stroman - C- 9) Safety - Collins/Curl/Everett/Apke - Depends on the two that play most the grade changes. The group as a whole is below average C-. 10) Linebacker - D-. Saved by youth in Hudson and Holcomb from being a straight F. 11) Defensive End - A (Starters) 12) Defensive Tackle - A+ (depth and starters) 18 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: KDawg, you were all over our problems at LB before anyone else. What are your feelings about the LB's in the draft. Are there non-1st round guys that you think could immediately impact our defense? Is Zaven Collins worth a 1st even if he costs you the chance to draft an OT like Darrisaw or Cosmi? I think this year, there are some intriguing OT prospects that could fall for whatever reason. Walker little, for instance. I don't know if he falls all the way to the 2nd, but Zaven Collins, Walker little, Levonte David and Allen Robinson in FA could make us dangerous, if we figure out the QB spot. I have a bunch of backers left to look at for inside spots. Zaven Collins is a guy I need to rewatch. I watched him in the offseason/early season and I saw him live once and he looks like he got better at some things. So my current evaluation on him is on hold. I THINK he may be a dude. Parsons is the homerun of the group. We won't be getting him. After Parsons I like Cox (LSU), Rice (Georgia) and Bolton (Baylor). Dylan Moses has shown flashes, especially in the SEC championship game. He looked lost for awhile but he seems to be getting his legs. I will keep my eyes on him in the playoffs but he could be there. Got a bunch of dudes left to look at. But I think one of Cox, Rice and Bolton may make it to the third. I'm not huge on Walker Little. I think he's kind of plodding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: Got to be QB or OT for me first up. I’m finding it hard to gauge where that sweat spot for getting a LB is going to be. We need a significant upgrade, is that going to be possible rounds 3/4 or is it going to take a higher pick. Seems that way to me?? I think MLB might be in serious play in FA. Maybe QB via FA or trade, too. I'd put money right now LT where we are picking considering they tend to go early and there is good depth at other spots. The wild card would be if they absolutely love another dude that lands at their spot. Lets say they think Zaven Collins is a stud or N. Harris or Etienne are superstars, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 It would be hard for me to get on board with another Griffin trade but I’d maybe consider it for Trevor. The fanbase was too excited last time to realize we honestly overpaid for that pick and I mean that prior to drafting. Griffin was not as amazing as everyone led on when you look at his college highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsinparadise Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: Trading for Stafford, especially a first and more would be a similar effect as giving up a ton for RG3, while getting hit in the cap for a couple years, to trade for a good year that we are still paying for. Much smaller scale, same possible outcome. Not nearly as risky as the RG3 trade. We used three #1 picks and a #2 for an unknown. The price here would be nowhere near it. Also, Stafford isn't an unknown. Plus he could last 5-6 years or so. If Alex is in play with a bionic leg next season at 37, you'd figure Stafford could at a minimum match that longevity. He's 32 going on 33. I disagree with those who said he has an old body for a QB his age. He's been banged up recently but by and large he's been one of the more durable QBs in the league. Like Alex, Stafford is a tough son of gun. I just don't buy they have a shot at the SB with the current QB configuration. The impression I get from Keim's podcasts is Rivera also doesn't buy that can do with the QB group they got now. So in short, I doubt their angle in the off season is to sort go with some longer shot option and hope to get lucky. I think they likely do something aggressive either with a veteran or trading up in the draft. But will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Honestly? Nothing. Unless someone gives us a nice deal to get up high we’ll miss the top two and more than likely we’re missing on the top 4. We’ll have a shot at Mac but that’s about it. At that point though I’d rather get Harris to solidify our RB core for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Just now, RichmondRedskin88 said: Honestly? Nothing. Unless someone gives us a nice deal to get up high we’ll miss the top two and more than likely we’re missing on the top 4. We’ll have a shot at Mac but that’s about it. At that point though I’d rather get Harris to solidify our RB core for years. I think we miss out on the rookie QBs, too. It's just a bad marriage right now between where we pick and the number of other needy QBs picking ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I think we miss out on the rookie QBs, too. It's just a bad marriage right now between where we pick and the number of other needy QBs picking ahead of us. Yep. I said it awhile back. We better make the playoffs because we absolutely screwed ourselves QB wise this year. Might as well make other positions better and accept the bad QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 minute ago, RichmondRedskin88 said: Yep. I said it awhile back. We better make the playoffs because we absolutely screwed ourselves QB wise this year. Might as well make other positions better and accept the bad QB play. Yeah we aren't in a good place for QB in the draft without making an aggressive move. And for those who argue with me -- chill, we got Alex. I'll start with I've been saying Alex is the best QB on this roster for awhile. I am ok with Alex. I think he's actually played better than 2018. Yet, he couldn't even stay healthy for the equivalent of a third of the season. We are going to bank on him with his bionic leg to last a full season and change a year older at 37? That seems wild to me. He's a great story but I am not rolling the dice on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, KDawg said: Here's what making a run to the Super Bowl entails: 1) Shoring up the LT spot. 2) Figuring out Center. Roullier is a FA and will demand 10-15/year. Ismael hasn't seen much field action but could be viable. 3) Figure out Right Guard. Scherff is a FA and will demand 13-20/year. 4) Figure out guard depth. Schweitzer can start. Charles could be a viable option at a guard spot or a tackle spot, we don't know. He looked great in his two plays, though. 5) We need to add a running back to take some load off of Gibson. It's a necessity. Doesn't have to be a world beater, but it sure would be nice to add a guy like Najee Harris. 6) We need another receiver. Likely in the slot. But McLaurin can play in the slot, too. So even an outside guy makes sense. 7) This is priority number one in my mind if we ever want to think we have a good defense... linebackers. We need linebackers. I'd draft one and sign one and then have Holcomb and Hudson and we go from a poor group to a good one overnight. 8 ) CB may become an issue position. If we let Darby walk, which we may need to, we will need a starter there. I thought Moreau could do it but the coaches apparently don't feel the same. 9) We could use some help at free safety but I don't view that as a dire need. 10) Of course we need a quarterback I think we're a ways further from being in a Super Bowl window and I don't buy the whole "Washington has an elite defense" talk. We have an elite defensive line. We have poor linebackers. We have middle of the road safeties. We have good corners. Now if you go by what's under contract in 2021: 1) Quarterback - Smith and Haskins only 2 under contract - C- 2) Running back - Good group. Gibson, McKissick are two very good backs that when fresh can do a lot of damage. Barber is good in his niche but we need a bellcow type to help change looks for the defense and keep our receiving backs fresh - B- 3) Wide Receiver - Terry McLaurin is the only A talent in the group. Steven Sims is a non factor. This group is a D. May improve with Harmon but I can't put my eggs in that basket. 4) Tight End - We have a top 15 tight end in the league right now. We also have absolutely no depth. C- 5) Center - Under contract we have Ismael. D. 6) Guard - Under contract, Martin, Schweitzer and Charles - C 7) Tackle - Moses, Lucas - C (no depth) 8 ) Corner - Under contract is Fuller, Moreland, Stroman - C- 9) Safety - Collins/Curl/Everett/Apke - Depends on the two that play most the grade changes. The group as a whole is below average C-. 10) Linebacker - D-. Saved by youth in Hudson and Holcomb from being a straight F. 11) Defensive End - A (Starters) 12) Defensive Tackle - A+ (depth and starters) I have a bunch of backers left to look at for inside spots. Zaven Collins is a guy I need to rewatch. I watched him in the offseason/early season and I saw him live once and he looks like he got better at some things. So my current evaluation on him is on hold. I THINK he may be a dude. Parsons is the homerun of the group. We won't be getting him. After Parsons I like Cox (LSU), Rice (Georgia) and Bolton (Baylor). Dylan Moses has shown flashes, especially in the SEC championship game. He looked lost for awhile but he seems to be getting his legs. I will keep my eyes on him in the playoffs but he could be there. Got a bunch of dudes left to look at. But I think one of Cox, Rice and Bolton may make it to the third. I'm not huge on Walker Little. I think he's kind of plodding. You are being way too conservative here. All the needs you point out are ones you can fix in offseason, given the cap space, 4 top 100 picks and the positions of need (LBs, TE2, center, RB3, slot WR etc). The challenges will be QB and LT and I believe it wouldn’t kill you if you had to start Lucas next year. Charles is a potential starter there and Christian is quality depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 NFL MOCK DRAFT ROUND 1 Round 1 - Pick 1 Trevor Lawrence QB CLEMSON • JR • 6'6" / 220 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Jacksonville PROSPECT RNK 1st POSITION RNK 1st Jacksonville sits on the throne for the first time this season. As its first order of business, they select Clemson's Trevor Lawrence to usher in a new era for the Jaguars. Round 1 - Pick 2 Zach Wilson QB BYU • JR • 6'3" / 210 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Jets PROSPECT RNK 6th POSITION RNK 3rd Zach Wilson will likely start to distance himself as the No. 2 quarterback in this class after his latest performance. A fresh start is in the best interest of New York and Sam Darnold. Round 1 - Pick 3 Penei Sewell OL OREGON • JR • 6'6" / 330 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Cincinnati PROSPECT RNK 2nd POSITION RNK 1st Cincinnati upgrades its protection of Joe Burrow by selecting Penei Sewell. Sewell's selection enables incumbent left tackle Jonah Williams to flip to right tackle or slide inside as many had projected in the pre-draft process. Round 1 - Pick 4 Justin Fields QB OHIO STATE • JR • 6'3" / 228 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Atlanta PROSPECT RNK 4th POSITION RNK 2nd The Georgia native is afforded the chance to stay home and play for the Falcons. The nation will be watching the College Football Playoffs, and that will start to shape the public perception of Justin Fields as an NFL draft prospect. Round 1 - Pick 5 Trey Lance QB NFL DRAFT • SOPH • 6'4" / 226 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Carolina PROSPECT RNK 12th POSITION RNK 4th We are about three months removed from Trey Lance's showcase against Central Arkansas. There are traits that bring excitement but his game could use a little polish. Joe Brady has experience elevating young quarterbacks. From Houston Texans Round 1 - Pick 6 Ja'Marr Chase WR LSU • JR • 6'1" / 200 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Miami PROSPECT RNK 5th POSITION RNK 1st DeVante Parker has been good, not great when healthy. Lynn Bowden Jr. is starting to make some plays for the Dolphins, but they need more firepower. Tua Tagovailoa had a better receiving room at Alabama, so to make his life easier, they should add a more reliable threat at the position. Round 1 - Pick 7 Micah Parsons LB PENN STATE • JR • 6'3" / 244 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Philadelphia PROSPECT RNK 3rd POSITION RNK 1st Philadelphia might have been sweating each pick until No. 7 overall arrived. The Eagles need help at linebacker and could find it in Happy Valley? Easy sell. Round 1 - Pick 8 Christian Darrisaw OL VIRGINIA TECH • JR • 6'5" / 314 LBS PROJECTED TEAM L.A. Chargers PROSPECT RNK 19th POSITION RNK 5th Los Angeles needs to stabilize its protection for Justin Herbert. Some want to see more urgency from Christian Darrisaw but his calm nature is what has drawn me to him. He executes and never gets too high or too low. Round 1 - Pick 9 Rashawn Slater OL NORTHWESTERN • JR • 6'3" / 305 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Dallas PROSPECT RNK 16th POSITION RNK 3rd Rashawn Slater has the versatility to play tackle or to slide inside. Dallas needs to fix their offensive line, specifically after the injury to Dak Prescott. Slater is going to fill at least one void. Round 1 - Pick 10 Kwity Paye DL MICHIGAN • SR • 6'4" / 272 LBS PROJECTED TEAM N.Y. Giants PROSPECT RNK 7th POSITION RNK 1st Rinse and repeat. The Giants get an edge rusher in this mock setting nearly every week. They have a strong interior defensive line group but they can't apply pressure from the outside. The addition of a competent pass rusher would not only lead to more sacks but it would also funnel the quarterback forward into the pocket where the aforementioned interior defensive line awaits. Round 1 - Pick 11 Devonta Smith WR ALABAMA • JR • 6'1" / 175 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Detroit PROSPECT RNK 8th POSITION RNK 2nd It just feels as though Detroit is going to press the reset button this offseason. They've had two seasons of 10-plus wins since 1995. What they have been attempting to do has not worked, and it is time for change. Devonta Smith can step in and fill the shoes left by departing wide receivers. Round 1 - Pick 12 Caleb Farley CB VIRGINIA TECH • JR • 6'2" / 207 LBS PROJECTED TEAM San Francisco PROSPECT RNK 11th POSITION RNK 1st San Francisco likely did not expect Caleb Farley to fall this far, but that is one byproduct of four quarterbacks being taken in the top five. Round 1 - Pick 13 Patrick Surtain II CB ALABAMA • JR • 6'2" / 203 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Denver PROSPECT RNK 13th POSITION RNK 2nd Denver will have some players returning from injury but they lack a shutdown player at the cornerback position. Patrick Surtain II offers that upside. The Broncos are not far away if they can figure out the quarterback position, but the options available do not meet the value. Round 1 - Pick 14 Gregory Rousseau EDGE MIAMI (FL) • SOPH • 6'7" / 265 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Minnesota PROSPECT RNK 14th POSITION RNK 1st Minnesota gambled on Yannick Ngakoue but that gamble failed. They know they are in dire straits with the salary cap and must make some significant changes. By selecting Gregory Rousseau, they get a talented young pass rusher that also allows them to save cap space elsewhere. Round 1 - Pick 15 Kyle Pitts TE FLORIDA • JR • 6'6" / 240 LBS PROJECTED TEAM New England PROSPECT RNK 10th POSITION RNK 1st New England picked up two tight ends a year ago, but they have not been effective in the pass game. There is more than one way for the Patriots to add a weapon in the pass game. In an ideal world, they would target a free agent wide receiver to go along with Pitts. Round 1 - Pick 16 Alijah Vera-Tucker OL USC • JR • 6'4" / 315 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Chicago PROSPECT RNK 18th POSITION RNK 4th Alijah Vera-Tucker has some in his corner suggesting that he can play tackle in the NFL. He has done well there in his first season but I still think it's a stretch to think he would do that at a high level in the NFL. His future is best served inside, and the Bears could use an animal like him. Round 1 - Pick 17 Levi Onwuzurike DL WASHINGTON • JR • 6'3" / 293 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Las Vegas PROSPECT RNK 30th POSITION RNK 3rd Once again, Las Vegas adds a big body at the heart of its defensive line. The Raiders have several players that need to take the next step in their young careers. Levi Onwuzurike can grow with them. Round 1 - Pick 18 Jaylen Waddle WR ALABAMA • JR • 5'10" / 182 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Baltimore PROSPECT RNK 9th POSITION RNK 3rd Some may be scared away by the idea of selecting Jaylen Waddle because they've been beaten over the head with speed, speed, speed as a descriptive term and Marquise Brown has not exactly worked out for them. Waddle has much better play strength and is a more polished route runner. Round 1 - Pick 19 Jaycee Horn CB SOUTH CAROLINA • JR • 6'1" / 205 LBS PROJECTED TEAM Washington PROSPECT RNK 43rd POSITION RNK 4th Washington is off to a great start with its defensive line. Any player added in the secondary would benefit by the consistent pressure brought on by the defensive line. Jaycee Horn is a ball of clay that still requires some molding but he became a much more physical player in 2020, and that will serve him well in the NFL. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-four-quarterbacks-taken-in-top-five-dolphins-land-elite-wr-patriots-scoop-up-kyle-pitts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, method man said: You are being way too conservative here. All the needs you point out are ones you can fix in offseason, given the cap space, 4 top 100 picks and the positions of need (LBs, TE2, center, RB3, slot WR etc). The challenges will be QB and LT and I believe it wouldn’t kill you if you had to start Lucas next year. Charles is a potential starter there and Christian is quality depth I disagree with you. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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