Going Commando Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: Ugh and ugh. Najee harris drops to 28 there. Darrisaw mid 20's. I'd so much rather move back and grab one of those guys than wind up with Trask. Me too. Especially if enticing vet QB options are coming onto the market. Moving down and getting Darrisaw would be a coup. One thing that piques my interest is the talk of Shaun Wade dropping. Miller says his tape is day 3 quality, that would be major value territory. It kind of feels there will be a tier of good corner prospects available in the fourth round this year. I've been looking at corners in the late first and in the second round when I've done mocks, but we might be able to wait until the fourth and still get good developmental talent there. Find some guys in free agency, lean on our DL to generate pressure, and still field a high end pass defense next season. Wade would really match the physical tone we are trying to establish with the defense too. Good tackling out there between him and Moreland. The other thing I keep going back to with our day 2 and early day 3 picks is DL. This is a pretty good edge class and the IDL class is almost as good. I think there is going to be real quality available in round three. This would be a great draft if we get a vet QB: rd 1 - Zaven Collins rd 2 - Eichenberg or Tray Smith or some OL of that tier rd 3 - Patrick Jones or Rashad Weaver or Carlos Basham tier edge rusher rd 3 - Chuba Hubbard or Kenneth Gainwell tier running back rd 4 - Shaun Wade rd 5 - Tutu Atwell or Marlon Williams or Amari Rodgers tier receiver rd 7 - Noah Gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 **** it. I want Najee. Trade back in first and nab him last round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Matt Miller is no genuis but he's been doing this for a long time. Says at the end of the column that it is his last. He's retiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Says at the end of the column that it is his last. He's retiring? He's supposedly leaving BR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: He's supposedly leaving BR. At this point, he's an OG draftnik. Wouldn't mind seeing him end up at the Athletic or one of the older news organizations if he continues covering the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Quarterback Rankings - Pre Bowl Games: QB College Ht/Wt Note 1 Trevor Lawrence* Clemson 6-6, 220 2 Justin Fields* Ohio State 6-3, 223 3 Trey Lance North Dakota 6-4. 226 4 Zach Wilson BYU 6-3, 210 5 Shane Buechele SMU 6-1, 207 6 Jamie Newman Georgia 6-4, 230 7 Mac Jones Alabama 6-2, 205 8 Holton Ahlers* East Carolina 6-3, 235 9 Kellen Mond* Texas A&M 6-4, 225 10 Kyle Trask Florida 6-5, 239 11 Ian Book Notre Dame 6-0, 203 12 Sam Ehlinger Texas 6-3, 230 13 D'Eriq King Miami 5-11 202 14 Desmond Ridder Cincy 6-4 215 15 Tanner Morgan* Minnesota 6-2, 215 16 Brock Purdy Iowa State 6-1, 210 17 KJ Costello Miss. St 6-5, 215 18 Feleipe Franks Arkansas 6-5, 227 19 Zac Thomas App State 6-1, 210 20 Sean Clifford Penn State 6-2, 216 Break Downs: Jamie Newman Georgia 6-4, 230 Extremely aggressive as a passer. Puts the ball in tight places, which sometimes means throwing it into too tight of a space. Patient with his run reads in option, which is a vital characteristic for the next level. Really live arm. Progresses fairly well, but seems to be a half field read kind of player. He has every NFL trait you could possibly want in a quarterback. Grading him strictly on his ability now and not possible issues on "why" he opted out he is a top end prospect. Kellen Mond* Texas A&M 6-4, 225 Isn't a particularly great creator with the ball, but takes what is given to him. Good pocket awareness to feel pressure and get the ball out. Changes speeds with his "pitches" really well. Athletic and can run, but another guy that makes a living off of zone reads and options in college and how that translates remains a very real question. Can effortlessly flick the ball down field with a good arm. Not great. Does a good job looking off defenses down the middle before snapping to his target. I don't really see any real urgency, plays at one speed/compsure level at all times. Consistency is an issue for him. KJ Costello Miss. St 6-5, 215 Odd criticism, but I don't like how his feet move. He does a shuffle drop technique and he has a lot of extra foot movement that in my opinion isn't necessary. He also drops the ball to his waist when he moves around the pocket. That's scary to see your QB do on a regular basis. He has an okay arm and he recognizes coverage concepts underneath fairly well. Can change arm angles and throw with accuracy, which is a plus. But his lower body throwing mechanics bother me quite a bit. Sam Ehlinger Texas 6-3, 230 Scans the field. Has ice in his veins. Isn't afraid of anything. Runs well. Takes too many hits. Doesn't have a live arm. Keeps plays alive with his feet. Holds the ball too long. Not decisive. Tanner Morgan* Minnesota 6-2, 215 Lots of zip on his passes and accurate from a relative standpoint. His ball placement needs some work at times but he gets the ball in the catch radius more often than not. His knock is he can be reckless with the football at times. College completion % is around 60 due to some of those placement issues and recklessness. Good size and navigates the pocket well. Can do some scrambling, but that's not his game. Holton Ahlers* East Carolina 6-3, 235 Lefty. Great size. Fantastic playaction fake. Very decisive. Good runner. Real strong arm. Good deep ball accuracy. Throws some wild ducks sometimes. Feleipe Franks Arkansas 6-5, 227 Excellent pocket presence. Calm and collected and not frantic. Not a great decision maker. Arm is okay. Good accuracy deep ball. Does some strange things mechanically with his arm, likely due to some struggles with reads. Not the most mobile guy. Scans the whole field. Ball placement in the middle of the field is iffy. Kyle Trask Florida 6-5, 239 First thing that stands out is his arm strength. It's just not there. He has a decent arm and that could translate to some NFL success, but it's really lacking. He also isn't very athletic. That's a difficult combination to overcome... Especially considering his pocket awareness isn't fantastic. Having said that... He is not afraid of any scenario and while he isn't the most aware he has a good pocket presence. He knows how to get the ball to his playmakers and he has a very accurate pass. He has tremendous ability to develop as there is a lot of room for growth with him, in particular using his lower body more in his throwing motion to put more zip on throws. Sean Clifford Penn State 6-2, 216 Not a lot to say. Seems like he struggles with a lot of passing concepts and just doesn't look comfortable at any point. Not sure he has much of a draft prospectus. Brock Purdy Iowa State 6-1, 210 Really reckless throwing the ball down field into coverage, and his accuracy seems to struggle in the middle of the field. Plays with his eyes down field even facing pressure and can create throwing lanes with his arm angles. Understands pressure concepts better than coverage concepts but still bails too early at times. He has a very quick snap throw and oddly plays with a straight leg type of set up versus the more typical set up. Outside throws are a bit of a concern. The way he carries the ball makes him prone to turnovers. Desmond Ridder* Cincinatti 6-4 215 Throws an excellent fade ball to the sideline, especially to the end zone. If the ball is thrown 20-30 yards he is very accurate. Beyond that his arm strength is a hindrance. He works to the field more than the boundary and only reads one half of the field. He has a tendency to laser lock onto his targets. Smart, elusive runner, makes a living off of zone read and zone read RPO pass concepts. Ian Book Notre Dame 6-0, 203 Good zip on the ball, good mechanics, good pocket presence. Does well when they move the pocket laterally. Seems to break down in the red zone a little bit and gets a lot more panicked than he does in other parts of the field. Throws some real bad worm burners in the middle of the field, likely afraid of making a costly turnover. He moves well. Finds open receivers on a routine basis. Reads the field pretty well. D'Eriq King Miami 5-11 202 Smaller, but powerful and athletic. Natural leader, good progressions. Not a bad arm. Has some deep accuracy issues. Excellent leadership qualities. Good underneath accuracy on slants, crossers and swings. His OL gives him some time back there but he can create some space with his mobility as well. Not really a runner, but CAN run and run well. Zach Wilson BYU 6-3, 210 Uses his eyes very well. Looks to have vastlly improved his strength in the past offseason as he no longer requires the full body contortion throws to put zip on the ball and he seems to have cleaned his mechanics up but they still need some work. I love how active his feet are when he is scanning the field but sometimes they're so live that he doesn't get them set prior to throwing the ball and it leads to some really off throws and bad decisions. He is extremely mobile and a real, true dual threat quarterback. He changes arm angles on his throws real well. I don't think he's all that accurate of a passer, but he's another guy that is as tough as nails. Will need development time as a passer. Mac Jones Alabama 6-2, 205 Accurate passer in the middle of the field that has good footwork and scans the field well. Doesn't have a fantastic arm and one hops throws to the field outside the hash entirely too often and misses open targets down the field too often. He does well on crossing patterns, slants, digs and operates really comfortably from play action. He scans the field well and is situationally aware and knows how to throw the ball away to avoid a sack. He uses his playmakers well and throws the ball to them in space as often as he can. He has a winning attitude and has proven he is tough as nails, but he is extremely well protected and isn't a great dual threat kind of athlete. Shane Buechele SMU 6-1, 207 Quick release and natural throwing motion. Scans the field, escapes pressure, throws off schedule and can change throwing angles. Is not a typical dual threat quarterback but he can move a little bit. More of a pocket passer. Smooth throwing motion, ball pops out of his hand. Arm strength looks good on near throws but the stuff outside the numbers from the far hash has him contort his body and he loses a little umph. Father and brother were professional baseball players. Zac Thomas App State 6-1, 210 Athlete for sure. Has an odd throw to the near sideline where it looks like he's throwing on a downward angle at times. Ball has a tendency to wobble at times and doesn't have the most live arm. But he is an accurate passer that can take something off of it when necessary and is a dynamic ball carrier. High upside, very low floor. Likely a UDFA. Trevor Lawrence* Clemson 6-6, 220 Prototypical quarterback with a great balance of size, strength, accuracy, arm strength, mobility, confidence and charisma. He is the overall top package in the draft. He isn't as good as others in some categories (Arm strength and mobility are not on Fields' level, in my opinion), but he makes up for it with his overall spectrum of play. Very smart player. Relies a lot on the zone read, so that will be interesting to see how it translates to the NFL as he won't be doing that as much. Great mechanics, great weight transfer, can make every throw already. He is another guy that hangs on his first read for awhile, but he does a really good job of staying in the pocket and keeping his mechanics sound as he progresses through his reads. The one throw that I don't "love" from him is the deep ball down the sideline as far as placement goes. He also short arms it entirely too often for my liking. But he is the most well rounded quarterback prospect I've seen in a draft in years. He is absolutely a franchise changing NFL quarterback prospect. Justin Fields* Ohio State 6-3, 223 Man coverage killer. You go man on him and he will carve you up with his legs. He is the most dynamic runner of the group and may also have the absolute strongest arm and among the best mechanics. He has struggled some with pressure, and given how good his offensive line is he rarely faces it. Against Clemson last season in the playoffs he played like a guy with ice in his veins and helped give Ohio State a chance against a juggernaut. This year he has struggled against Indiana and Northwestern. When pressured his accuracy drops a bit, but he finds ways to keep plays alive still. The fact that he can overcome poor performances and turn them into positive games is a testament to his character and work ethic. I'd like to see him progress through his reads better (he sees them but often after his first read is covered that's when you see the regression in his accuracy). Teams will need to lean into his athleticism so he can learn to read NFL speeds and defenses and make them pay for whatever they do for him. Fields, to me, projects as a bonafide NFL franchise quarterback who can change the fortunes of a franchise. Trey Lance North Dakota 6-4. 226 Can function as a pseudo running back running power plays and buying himself time with his legs. Is a half field/one read kind of player who has to develop into the NFL. Has a strong arm and is an overall accurate deep ball passer. Overall has a tight and quick throwing motion but from time to time has an odd windmill motion that I couldn't explain if you asked me to. Can throw any route with precision and accuracy anywhere on the field. He telegraphs his throws a bit too often but his running ability may let him get away with that more than a more pocket type passer due to the threat of him running when the pocket breaks down. Low floor high ceiling. Sometimes he gets really excited and throws the ball in really odd placements. Reminds me a lot of the developmental cycle that was needed for Wyoming/Buffalo QB Josh Allen. He can develop on the job because of his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 That's a lot of work as to the QBs. I've been lazy. I got to get going. 😀 Without rewriting some of my previous thoughts. Among the QBs I've watched my ratings would be: 1. Trevor Lawrence 2. Justin Fields 3. Zach Wilson -- big drop off after him 4. Trey Lance -- based on upside 5. Mac Jones -- big drop off after him 6. Kyle Trask -- don't mind rolling the dice later in the draft just not in the first. Accuracy and intangibles might translate to an overachiever 7. Desmond Ridder -- my favorite get the dude later in the draft so far. 2nd-3rd Rd? Mobility. 8. Jamie Newman -- I like his upside but I can't get that Clemson game out of my head where he was horrendous 9. Kellen Mond -- so up and down hard for me to get a read 10. Ian Book -- plays with a lot of moxie 11. F. Franks -- I don't think he has it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, KDawg said: Trask is the ultimate, "Wait, we took him?" draft pick there. I wouldn't touch Trask before the third round. Yeah, if any of the top 5 QBs are not there, I'll take BPA and take the best LT or say screw it and take Najee or Etienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2nd round mock, one of my guys, Toney lands at our pick. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-reid-4.0 33. Jaguars Shaun Wade CB, Ohio State 34. Jets Rashod Bateman WR, Minnesota 35. Bengals Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE, Wake Forest 36. Panthers Eric Stokes CB, Georgia 37. Falcons Travis Etienne RB, Clemson 38. Dolphins Najee Harris RB, Alabama 39. Eagles Derion Kendrick CB, Clemson 40. Cowboys Trevon Moehrig S, TCU 41. Chargers Myjai Sanders EDGE, Cincinnati 42. Lions Terrace Marshall Jr. WR, LSU 43. 49ers Kyle Trask QB, Florida 44. Broncos Tyson Campbell CB, Georgia 45. Giants Chris Olave WR, Ohio State 46. Jaguars Jay Tufele IDL, USC 47. Patriots Pat Freiermuth TE, Penn State 48. Bears Trey Smith IOL, Tennessee 49. Raiders Jayson Oweh EDGE, Penn State 50. Ravens Hamilcar Rashed Jr. EDGE, Oregon State 51. Washington Kadarius Toney WR, Florida 52. Cardinals Brenton Cox Jr. EDGE, Florida 53. Dolphins Landon Dickerson IOL, Alabama 54. Buccaneers Teven Jenkins OT, Oklahoma State 55. Browns Jabril Cox LB, LSU 56. Colts Paulson Adebo CB, Stanford 57. Rams Quincy Roche EDGE, Miami 58. Seahawks Jackson Carman OT, Clemson 59. Titans Asante Samuel Jr. CB, Florida State 60. Bills Creed Humphrey IOL, Oklahoma 61. Saints Tyree Gillespie S, Missouri 62. Steelers Javonte Williams RB, North Carolina 63. Packers Rondale Moore WR, Purdue 64. Chiefs Amon-Ra St. Brown WR, USC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: 2nd round mock, one of my guys, Toney lands at our pick. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-reid-4.0 33. Jaguars Shaun Wade CB, Ohio State 34. Jets Rashod Bateman WR, Minnesota 35. Bengals Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE, Wake Forest 36. Panthers Eric Stokes CB, Georgia 37. Falcons Travis Etienne RB, Clemson 38. Dolphins Najee Harris RB, Alabama 39. Eagles Derion Kendrick CB, Clemson 40. Cowboys Trevon Moehrig S, TCU 41. Chargers Myjai Sanders EDGE, Cincinnati 42. Lions Terrace Marshall Jr. WR, LSU 43. 49ers Kyle Trask QB, Florida 44. Broncos Tyson Campbell CB, Georgia 45. Giants Chris Olave WR, Ohio State 46. Jaguars Jay Tufele IDL, USC 47. Patriots Pat Freiermuth TE, Penn State 48. Bears Trey Smith IOL, Tennessee 49. Raiders Jayson Oweh EDGE, Penn State 50. Ravens Hamilcar Rashed Jr. EDGE, Oregon State 51. Washington Kadarius Toney WR, Florida 52. Cardinals Brenton Cox Jr. EDGE, Florida 53. Dolphins Landon Dickerson IOL, Alabama 54. Buccaneers Teven Jenkins OT, Oklahoma State 55. Browns Jabril Cox LB, LSU 56. Colts Paulson Adebo CB, Stanford 57. Rams Quincy Roche EDGE, Miami 58. Seahawks Jackson Carman OT, Clemson 59. Titans Asante Samuel Jr. CB, Florida State 60. Bills Creed Humphrey IOL, Oklahoma 61. Saints Tyree Gillespie S, Missouri 62. Steelers Javonte Williams RB, North Carolina 63. Packers Rondale Moore WR, Purdue 64. Chiefs Amon-Ra St. Brown WR, USC I’d take Moore personally, buts is really in the eye of the beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, mhd24 said: I’d take Moore personally, buts is really in the eye of the beholder I like Rondale Moore a lot too. As I've been saying I love Toney, R. Moore, E. Moore who I think will all likely be slot WR studs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I wish there was a way we could snag Mac and Harris. Perfect chemistry and combine that with Gibson. If that worked out you have a fantastic back field core with a good QB and all very young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Zach going #2? To me its close between him and Fields but wouldn't surprise me if Zach goes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KDawg Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Honestly I think the ordering of Lance, Fields and Wilson is based on who wants what and who is drafting where. Lance is the project who can run with tremendous potential. Fields is the total athlete who needs to refine his play under pressure but you see glimpses in college of what he looks like as a prospect and it’s downright terrifying for defenses. Wilson is the tough dude who throws a little unorthodox with a 3/4 wind up and can run. More inaccurate than either of the other two dudes in my opinion but that’s because he takes some risks they don’t. Wouldnt be surprised with any of them going 2, even Lance. Though I think he’s the longest shot of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I'm actually warming up to the idea of taking Lance at 19 or a slight trade up(no future 1sts though). I think his rookie year we can use him sparingly in a Taysom Hill style role while he develops his game. We have the D to keep us in games if he is forced into starting and if Alex Smith completely falls off by midseason we have a young stud who can inject life into a season(like what Lamar did for the Ravens in 2018). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Great. I'd move up. Also, just out of curiosity, what price would you guys pay to get to #1 overall? Would you trade both Chase and Montez for Lawrence? Whoever choosing 1st obviously isn't trading the pick, but I'm curious the different takes people might have relative to the value of the pick and players on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2923469-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-2021-nfl-mock-draft-and-more We're getting to Fall-Draft-Order-Shake-Up-Season. We need a better acronym, but it's that time of year where all the mocks start shifting. Then they start shifting again at the Senior Bowl, and again after the Combine. Some of the Round 1 guys start dropping to Rounds 3-4-5, and others "rise" multiple rounds as well. Key thing's: He's got OT - Rashawn Slater going #3. That makes 2 OT's going in the Top 5. He's got Chase-Smith-Pitts going 6,7,8. So the elite prospects are all off the board early. I was dreaming we'd trade up a few spots if Smith was available in the mid-teens. He's got 4 QB's going in the teens, so 6 total QB's by Pick 19. That's a crazy class if true, can't rely on Day 2 QB prospects being there at that point. Does this actually happen? Who knows, but it's a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: Would you trade both Chase and Montez for Lawrence? Nope. I couldn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Anselmheifer said: Also, just out of curiosity, what price would you guys pay to get to #1 overall? Would you trade both Chase and Montez for Lawrence? Whoever choosing 1st obviously isn't trading the pick, but I'm curious the different takes people might have relative to the value of the pick and players on our roster. No way I trade legit NFL stars for an unknown prospect, no matter how blue-chip & "NFL ready" he may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotty8321 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 What would it take to move up to sayyyyyy #4 and grab Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Draft Twitter is super reactionary. Wilson played last night (and played well!) so he’s the topic of conversation. If Fields goes out and has a day in the playoffs people will come out and say, “forget Wilson! Fields is the clear cut 2!” Truth is they are both good quarterbacks. I like one more than the other but I think they both have some potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Warhead36 said: I'm actually warming up to the idea of taking Lance at 19 or a slight trade up(no future 1sts though). I think his rookie year we can use him sparingly in a Taysom Hill style role while he develops his game. We have the D to keep us in games if he is forced into starting and if Alex Smith completely falls off by midseason we have a young stud who can inject life into a season(like what Lamar did for the Ravens in 2018). I doubt it would require just a slight trade up. Too many QB needy teams picking ahead of us. Especially with Hurts burning it up thus far -- I doubt a dude with potential elite mobility ends up a surprise faller. Years back I could see it. I'd be surprised if it happened in 2021. So many teams ahead of us who could use a QB now or start grooming the QB of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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