BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[steve09ru]

1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

I'm not seeing anything in there about the test identifying the flu as Covid.  Could you quote it?  Maybe I missed it.  

 

(I'm also not seeing anything about what kinds of errors it had.  False positives?  False negatives?  Positives and negatives combined?)  

One quote was “We think we have more cases than we've been able to detect and the test isn't working."

 

There’s also the last section or so that talks about Lindstrom building the Covid test the same way he had built influenza which would likely cause influenza to be detected through the testing.  It doesn’t come right out and say it but pretty easy to understand what they are getting at.  Probably why the dude is no longer working in that area.

 

so basically there were a number of flu cases that were getting picked up while also covid cases, in certain situations, were going undetected 

Edited December 31, 2021 by steve09ru

[Larry]

17 minutes ago, steve09ru said:

There’s also the last section or so that talks about Lindstrom building the Covid test the same way he had built influenza which would likely cause influenza to be detected through the testing.

 

You do realize that "built using the same method" does not mean "detects the same disease", right?  

[PeterMP]

25 minutes ago, steve09ru said:

One quote was “We think we have more cases than we've been able to detect and the test isn't working."

 

There’s also the last section or so that talks about Lindstrom building the Covid test the same way he had built influenza which would likely cause influenza to be detected through the testing.  It doesn’t come right out and say it but pretty easy to understand what they are getting at.  Probably why the dude is no longer working in that area.

 

so basically there were a number of flu cases that were getting picked up while also covid cases, in certain situations, were going undetected 

 

Uh.  No.

 

There's no evidence that the Covid tests put together by the CDC last year were detecting the flu.

 

What happened with CDC's Covid tests have been part of large scale studies and studies on the kit have been conducted by institutions outside of the federal government.  And there is no indication that the test would detect the flu.

 

e.g. 

https://khn.org/news/article/fact-check-cdc-pcr-covid-test-distinguishes-from-flu-eua-request-withdrawal/

 

(Even the idea that the test gave false results 33% of the time is misleading.  The kit included several things.  One was a method to specifically detect Covid-19.  To my knowledge and my recollection, that part worked fine.  There was another part to detect covid viruses in general.  Ideally, it was a control.  If you had a non-Covid 19 Covid virus, it would give a positive result.  It would also give a positive result if you had Covid-19.  So if you had Covid-19, you'd get two "positive" results.  One for the general Covid viral detection part and one for the Covid-19 specific part.  I believe (working from memory), it was the part that was detecting the non-covid-19 covid virus that didn't work.  So if you just ignored that and only cared if people had Covid-19, the test worked fine.)

21 hours ago, mojo said:

I agree: Just think; the CDC knowingly sent out tests kits at the beginning of this pandemic with a failure rate of over 33%. How many lives and businesses were altered due to nothing?

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-officials-knew-coronavirus-test-was-flawed-but-released-it-anyway

 

 

 

What happened was less than ideal.  But the problems were discovered relatively quickly once the CDC released them.  People didn't start just using them without testing them.  I don't think many people/businesses were actually affected.

 

It isn't like they went into wide scale real world use and then the issue(s) were discovered months later.

 

(Not saying, it was a good move by the CDC, it wasn't messed up, and that it didn't hurt our early response to the pandemic (though I don't think even if the kit would have worked perfectly, we would have been able to contain Covid).  But I don't think many people were told they had the wrong diagnosis with Covid because of the CDC mess up.)

Edited December 31, 2021 by PeterMP

[mojo]

3 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Ive been on 10 music cruises pre-Covid.  I’ve gotten sick every time, either by day 3 or 4, or for a couple days after…

 

 They’ve been doing this round the clock at the 24 hour buffet since about 2015, just trying to get people to wash their hands.  But people don’t.

 

 

 

If I had to had to see this every night when I go to eat, I would happily jump overboard by day 3.

Edited December 31, 2021 by mojo

[Long n Left]

6 hours ago, mojo said:

If I had to had to see this every night when I go to eat, I would happily jump overboard by day 3.

Yeah, but would you wash your hands before doing it?

[steve09ru]

10 hours ago, PeterMP said:

e.g. 

https://khn.org/news/article/fact-check-cdc-pcr-covid-test-distinguishes-from-flu-eua-request-withdrawal/

 

(Even the idea that the test gave false results 33% of the time is misleading.  The kit included several things.  One was a method to specifically detect Covid-19.  To my knowledge and my recollection, that part worked fine.  There was another part to detect covid viruses in general.  Ideally, it was a control.  If you had a non-Covid 19 Covid virus, it would give a positive result.  It would also give a positive result if you had Covid-19.  So if you had Covid-19, you'd get two "positive" results.  One for the general Covid viral detection part and one for the Covid-19 specific part.  I believe (working from memory), it was the part that was detecting the non-covid-19 covid virus that didn't work.  So if you just ignored that and only cared if people had Covid-19, the test worked fine.)

thanks- that makes sense- hadn’t read that article

[TheGreatBuzz]

13 hours ago, tshile said:

I know someone on one of those 😂 

I don’t know what the **** they were thinking

 

Cruise ships sound awful. Even before covid. 
 

god you’re trapped in this small room wondering if you’ll get sick before you get to leave 

 

what a ****ing nightmare 

I took a decade for the wife to convince me to go on a cruise.  Being in the Navy, the concept of spending my own money to go to sea seemed wrong.  But once I do, I actually enjoyed it.  
 

We also got one of the top suites with a butler.  And the unlimited alcoholic package.  So that helped too.

[The Evil Genius]

18 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I took a decade for the wife to convince me to go on a cruise.  Being in the Navy, the concept of spending my own money to go to sea seemed wrong.  But once I do, I actually enjoyed it.  
 

We also got one of the top suites with a butler.  And the unlimited alcoholic package.  So that helped too.

 

My Dad was the same. 29+ years in the Navy and it took him almost another 8 or so to set foot on a cruise ship. 😁

 

Then he actually enjoyed it. 

 

That said..I'd avoid those things for a decade moving forward. They already had serious health problems before covid...😬

[Larry]

36 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I took a decade for the wife to convince me to go on a cruise.  Being in the Navy, the concept of spending my own money to go to sea seemed wrong.  But once I do, I actually enjoyed it.  

 

Friand of mine was in the 82nd Airborne.  He tried recreational skydiving.  Discovered that he enjoyed it.  

[China]

1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

My Dad was the same. 29+ years in the Navy and it took him almost another 8 or so to set foot on a cruise ship. 😁

 

Then he actually enjoyed it. 

 

That said..I'd avoid those things for a decade moving forward. They already had serious health problems before covid...😬

 

Yeah, I thought I would eventually try a cruise, but was wary due to the norovirus, and with Covid those things just become incubators.  Not sure if I ever will now.

 

 

[China]

On 12/30/2021 at 10:43 AM, tshile said:

 

as a society we cannot set our bull**** aside to at least protect young children who have no say in anything - and are 100% dependent on adults to look after their well-being. 
 

 

 

Omicron sending children to hospital in record numbers

 

The highly transmissible omicron variant of COVID-19 is sending waves of children to the hospital in record numbers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) latest data.

 

The week of Dec. 22 to Dec. 28 was the highest spike yet of COVID-19 hospitalizations for children up to 17 years old, the CDC tracker shows. More than 370 children are currently hospitalized daily, a 66 percent increase from the week prior.

 

Doctors have called the omicron-fueled surge "heartbreaking," telling The Associated Press that low vaccination numbers among children during the outbreak are concerning.

“It was hard enough last year, but now you know that you have a way to prevent all this," Paul Offit with the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia told the AP.

 

More than 1,000 children have died from COVID-19 since the pandemic began. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of children have been hospitalized in the last few months alone.

From Aug. 1 to Dec. 28, more than 76,000 children have been hospitalized with COVID-19. The omicron variant was first detected in the U.S. in early December but accounted for 59 percent of all cases last week.

 

The American Pediatric Association estimates that in the past two weeks, there was a 5 percent increase in children testing positive for COVID-19, with 368,515 cases added from Dec. 9 to Dec. 23.

 

About 14 percent of children ages 5 to 11 are fully vaccinated, while 53 percent of those ages 12 to 17 fully vaccinated.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[TradeTheBeal!]

Hey now!

 

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

ES Tailgate: LLLUUUUULZZZZZ guys like Aaron Rodgers doing their own research are morooonnnzzz!!

 

Also ES Tailgate:  Here’s my research I’ve done on Covid-19!

[TradeTheBeal!]

56 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

ES Tailgate: LLLUUUUULZZZZZ guys like Aaron Rodgers doing their own research are morooonnnzzz!!

 

Also ES Tailgate:  Here’s my research I’ve done on Covid-19!

Joe Rogan guy has some fresh takes for the new year!

[purbeast]

18 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Hey now!

 

 

After having 2 negative tests of these then getting a positive AG and PCR a day later, it's hard for me to really trust these.

 

I know there are a lot of variants that go along with testing, but my experience has made me suspect of these now.

[TradeTheBeal!]

5 minutes ago, purbeast said:

After having 2 negative tests of these then getting a positive AG and PCR a day later, it's hard for me to really trust these.

 

I know there are a lot of variants that go along with testing, but my experience has made me suspect of these now.

Oh, I agree.  But I felt my symptoms fading, so I decided to queue one up.

 

I’ll still keep a low profile until my antibody test on Wednesday.

 

Feel 100% this morning, btw.

 

#teammoderna 

[Sticksboi05]

22 minutes ago, purbeast said:

After having 2 negative tests of these then getting a positive AG and PCR a day later, it's hard for me to really trust these.

 

I know there are a lot of variants that go along with testing, but my experience has made me suspect of these now.

 

I wouldn't let that experience change your perception - they're supposed to only go positive when there's high viral replication in your nose (or throat if you swab there). This is why public health experts have been calling for a mass amount of rapid tests - they're at their best when people can test over and over again - one day you may be at a minimal viral load and in less than 24 hours you can be highly contagious so it makes sense to be negative one day and positive the next.

[purbeast]

2 minutes ago, Sticksboi05 said:

 

I wouldn't let that experience change your perception - they're supposed to only go positive when there's high viral replication in your nose (or throat if you swab there). This is why public health experts have been calling for a mass amount of rapid tests - they're at their best when people can test over and over again - one day you may be at a minimal viral load and in less than 24 hours you can be highly contagious so it makes sense to be negative one day and positive the next.

The first one I took was the day after I started feeling symptoms.  The second one was about 26 hours later when I felt worse.

 

Then the next day I was feeling about the same and got an AG and PCR test and those were both positive.

 

Kind of like @TryTheBeal! today was the first day I woke up and felt pretty much 100% other than slight nasal congestion, which is very usual for me outside of covid, this time of year anyways.

[steve09ru]

One thing to note on children hospitalizations across the board is that a significant number appear to be admitted for non-covid related reasons but test positive during admissions with no or mild covid symptoms.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/some-hospital-with-covid-incidental-fauci-south-africa-england-2021-12%3famp

[TradeTheBeal!]

Update:

 

Feeling no symptoms, made a huge brunch, took a 4 mile walk, took another home test that was negative, bought a 12 pack.

 

My 32yo unvaxxed cousin, whom I love dearly, who was exposed on Xmas along with me is still running a 100+ fever and has had no taste or smell since Thursday.

 

#teammoderna

[purbeast]

34 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Update:

 

Feeling no symptoms, made a huge brunch, took a 4 mile walk, took another home test that was negative, bought a 12 pack.

 

My 32yo unvaxxed cousin, whom I love dearly, who was exposed on Xmas along with me is still running a 100+ fever and has had no taste or smell since Thursday.

 

#teammoderna

Sheeeeit I've been drinking while having it.  Probably gone through a handle of captain morgan since I have had symptoms lol.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

10 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

ES Tailgate: LLLUUUUULZZZZZ guys like Aaron Rodgers doing their own research are morooonnnzzz!!

 

Also ES Tailgate:  Here’s my research I’ve done on Covid-19!

 

I think it has less to do with doing your own research and more to do with what info and data you choose to believe (along with what constitutes "research").

[TradeTheBeal!]

10 minutes ago, purbeast said:

Sheeeeit I've been drinking while having it.  Probably gone through a handle of captain morgan since I have had symptoms lol.

Yeah, I smashed a bottle of Pinot Gris and 3 beers on Thursday night after the symptoms faded out around lunchtime.

 

I figured if an 8 beer buzz was the difference between me living and dying, I’d just as soon die.

Edited January 1, 2022 by TryTheBeal!

[Elessar78]

What’s y’all’s behavior right now? Locking down? We never really went to restaurants and bars before Covid and I’d been clamoring for grocery pickup before Covid so basically we don’t go out for anything. 
 

also live in a red county so no one masks and everyone going out like it’s 2019. Hard to gauge behavior outside the area.

 

We are boosted, the kids have two doses, youngest has no vax yet (under 5).

 

last winter we locked down hard and it took a toll on my kids mental health. I’m trying to strike a balance this time around but I don’t know if this variant is the time for balance.

 

If it follows South Africa’s surge model we should be back to low numbers by Feb 1. But that’s just a guess. What’s the responsible thing to do from a societal standpoint? 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

1 hour ago, Elessar78 said:

What’s y’all’s behavior right now? Locking down? We never really went to restaurants and bars before Covid and I’d been clamoring for grocery pickup before Covid so basically we don’t go out for anything. 
 

also live in a red county so no one masks and everyone going out like it’s 2019. Hard to gauge behavior outside the area.

 

We are boosted, the kids have two doses, youngest has no vax yet (under 5).

 

last winter we locked down hard and it took a toll on my kids mental health. I’m trying to strike a balance this time around but I don’t know if this variant is the time for balance.

 

If it follows South Africa’s surge model we should be back to low numbers by Feb 1. But that’s just a guess. What’s the responsible thing to do from a societal standpoint? 

 

 

Have both vaxxes and the booster. Always wear a mask when I go anywhere (some places make it mandatory, others do not). I haven't changed my habits or actions really at all since the pandemic started last year outside of wearing a mask now and ordering a ****-ton more food than I used to lol...I still go to restaurants with my daughter, still go to the casino (it was ****ing packed last night)...

 

Edited January 2, 2022 by Califan007