UKskins Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Per latest Rivera interview with Larry Michael (below) it sounds like KOC is not going to be OC next season. Says he is "going after" an OC and is really pleased with the people they have coming in to interview. Edited January 8, 2020 by UKskins 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I like the work O'Connell has been doing with Haskins, and that seems like something we should maintain if indeed Ron is all in with Haskins in 2020. However, the actual role of OC, personally I'm open minded to who gets that job, whether that be O'Connell or someone else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Hopefully. But I'm currently proper buzzing off the 'Jack Del Rio will be the new DC and will call plays' part to care about much else! That's excited me as much as anything the past 48 hours or so. Hail. 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I like the fact that KO has to interview for the position. I also appreciate the fact that Rivera sees the benefits that continuity between KO and Haskins may be very important going forward. Makes perfect sense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Commandant O'Connell won me over when Haskins starting talking about wanting to play for him. If you move forward with Haskins, move forward with the Commandant. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posse87 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I hope so. He seems to run a modern west coast offense and may be one of the young innovative/guru type of coaches. If he continues to progress and evolve as a play caller, the is could be the perfect pairing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Follow Rivera's process no matter where it leads......this is how it should have been done long ago Danny boy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 KO has to be really stoked about the opportunity. To have Rivera immediately hire a D coordinator from outside yet want to consider KO for the O coordinator with all the options Rivera has must speak volumes to KO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 This is what really pissed me off about Callahan. He didnt let KOC call plays until the last 3 weeks. This should have been done immediately. We were running a 1970s offense on 1st and 2nd down with Callahan and a modern offense on 3rd setting up haskins for failure 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Peregrine said: While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. Sometimes it's better to go with balls instead of smarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Peregrine said: While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. I think Haskins/O'Connell should be joined at the hip. If one fails, they both fail. If one goes, they both go. If one succeeds, they both succeed. If Haskins is the direction, I wouldn't put someone in the soup that may clash with him after The Commandant spent so much time with him and learned his quirks. Having said that, I just want KOC now because I can call them Riverboat, the Captain and the Commandant. The Oceanic Three. *shrug* 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAskins Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Peregrine said: While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. There is no "sure bet" in the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, skinfan2k said: This is what really pissed me off about Callahan. He didnt let KOC call plays until the last 3 weeks. This should have been done immediately. We were running a 1970s offense on 1st and 2nd down with Callahan and a modern offense on 3rd setting up haskins for failure That wasn't how the playcalling situation was reported mate. Not least from all the protagonists involved. KOC had full playcalling autonomy after Gruden was binned. Aside from the fact we had no semblance of competent QB play to pass off the run until Haskins was both deemed ready to start, and then subsequently improve with the experience. The more he got that, the more they could open up the playbook and evolve the way they attacked teams. But with or without proper context, that was last year and we're now officially entering the Coach Rivera era so it's all a redundant discussion. Hail. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said: That wasn't how the playcalling situation was reported mate. Not least from all the protagonists involved. KOC had full playcalling autonomy after Gruden was binned. Aside from the fact we had no semblance of competent QB play to pass off the run until Haskins was both deemed ready to start, and then subsequently improve with the experience. The more he got that, the more they could open up the playbook and evolve the way they attacked teams. But with or without proper context, that was last year and we're now officially entering the Coach Rivera era so it's all a redundant discussion. Hail. He was calling plays but did not have full control. Callahan was dictating stuff like running basically every first down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posse87 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, Peregrine said: While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. I believe Norv Turner will be available 😉😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I love it, ron is a smart guy and he knows what to look for in an interview process like confidence, intelligence etc, etc. If k.o.c displays the traits he's looking for he'll get the job, if he doesn't maybe we look in a different direction. It's quite refreshing doing things the right way for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 If Caldwell is not obligated to the Dolphins he’s the much better hire. KOC will be snatched up the first time we have success. That’s the price you pay in having a defensive HC. Caldwell is more qualified and much less of a flight risk if things go well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousD Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, KDawg said: If Haskins is the direction, I wouldn't put someone in the soup that may clash with him after The Commandant spent so much time with him and learned his quirks. So much time with him? Way less than a year and only closely together since week 11! Before that Haskins was on the back-burner. The coaching carousel will turn for a few more weeks and Rivera should look around. If it turns out KOC is the man, then I'm fine with it. If not, I might hope his old passing game coordinator position is still on the table but if Haskins "clashes" with any new coordinator brought in then he's the problem, not the coordinator. He's a professional now and needs to act like one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, FuriousD said: So much time with him? Way less than a year and only closely together since week 11! Before that Haskins was on the back-burner. The coaching carousel will turn for a few more weeks and Rivera should look around. If it turns out KOC is the man, then I'm fine with it. If not, I might hope his old passing game coordinator position is still on the table but if Haskins "clashes" with any new coordinator brought in then he's the problem, not the coordinator. He's a professional now and needs to act like one. Agreed. However, getting to know a guys quirks matters. Professional or not. Haskins gets along with him. That matters, too. Im not opposed to any direction Rivera goes. And I’m not really a Commandant guy (except for now that I came up with the Commandant title...) but it makes sense to see it through with him for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Peregrine said: While the last few games were better, if Ron is smart he goes out and hires the very best sure bet OC available, to give the team the best chance to succeed early on. Might even look for some promising coaches who possibly get fired due to regime change, like Kellen Moore etc. There are no sure bet OCs, in fact the most sure bet OC would likely be KOC as he has already been working with Dwayne and has been heavy involved in the improvement we have seen out of him. No reason to remove the guy that has gotten him playing well and give him a new offense to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: If Caldwell is not obligated to the Dolphins he’s the much better hire. KOC will be snatched up the first time we have success. That’s the price you pay in having a defensive HC. Caldwell is more qualified and much less of a flight risk if things go well. That'd be a really good problem to have though, an offense that was so good that our coordinator got snatched up for a head coaching position. The difference this time being that our head coach has a defensive background and we'll almost certainly have a very strong defense. Basically what I'm saying is that if that happens it's an extremely high probability that the team has been completely turned around and Is a superbowl contender. I'll have no problem in that instance looking for a new coordinator to replace oconell, it's what the great teams deal with on an almost annual basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I hope he stays, but I do worry that he’ll have a hard time finding assistant coaches willing to take orders from a 34-year old kid with an extremely limited track record. And if he does find guys willing to fall in line, will they be as qualified as they should be? Not sure. Getting way ahead of ourselves with this, but I hope he hires an assistant coach that has the ability to take over as OC if KOC has success and gets poached to be HC for another team. We need to ensure Haskins has continuity with the system in his early years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Honestly, I think O'Connell will stick around...and then be fired at the end of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, redskinss said: That'd be a really good problem to have though, an offense that was so good that our coordinator got snatched up for a head coaching position. The difference this time being that our head coach has a defensive background and we'll almost certainly have a very strong defense. Basically what I'm saying is that if that happens it's an extremely high probability that the team has been completely turned around and Is a superbowl contender. I'll have no problem in that instance looking for a new coordinator to replace oconell, it's what the great teams deal with on an almost annual basis. KOC called what 5 games? Giving him control to run the whole offense with a defensive minded head coach is a huge job. I would much rather have the dude who worked with Peyton Manning and improved QB play wherever he’s been and is a proven coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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