All Things "AOC" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez & the Squad.

[The Evil Genius]

AOC doesn't have to continually prove herself by going on Fox News or whatever right wing media circus you want.

 

She already has proven herself.

 

She got elected and has already shown her intelligence, moxy, and mettle in a few months since then.

 

The right wants to keep playing gotcha games and yet she keeps hammering them with well constructed counters.

 

How much is enough for Fox news it al?

Edited April 4, 2019 by The Evil Genius

[mcsluggo]

the Republicans have a booger-eating moronic baby that drops half thought simplistic sound-bites on every issue as the front for their party.

 

Democrats are now the only adults in the room... except when a 20-something becomes the face of the party.   ANY twenty-something. 

[Dan T.]

More than her deft social media bantering, what impressed me most was her 5 minutes during the Michael Cohen hearing.  She was well prepared without a hint of grandstanding.  She got specific answers to probing questions related to Trump's possible tax avoidance, got names of who to question for follow-up on the issue, and tied it back to her constituency by pointing out that one of Trump's properties in question for which possible tax cheating occured was in her Congressional District.

 

Edit... and voila, here it is.

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by Dan T.

[Renegade7]

28 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

AOC doesn't have to continually prove herself by going on Fox News or whatever right wing media circus you want.

 

She already has proven herself.

 

She got elected and has already shown her intelligence, moxy, and mettle in a few months since then.

 

The right wants to keep playing gotcha games and yet she keeps hammering them with well constructed counters.

 

How much is enough for Fox news it al?

 

The right has no problem coming to the left to preach what they believe.  We are paying for not doing the same.

[Spaceman Spiff]

4 minutes ago, mcsluggo said:

the Republicans have a booger-eating moronic baby that drops half thought simplistic sound-bites on every issue as the front for their party.

 

Democrats are now the only adults in the room... except when a 20-something becomes the face of the party.   ANY twenty-something. 

 

As I said, I'm not an AOC fan, but it's understandable as to why she is the face of the party.  For the most part, Dem leadership is old and tired.  Biden running is a joke.  While he might be highly qualified and has had a distinguished career, he's old as dirt.  Hillary is old and tired (not that she's going to run again, hopefully).  Elizabeth Warren is just weird and kinda old.  

 

Dems win when they have a younger, cooler candidate.  Hate to say it, but a presidential election is in the bag for Dems when there's a hip factor that the Republicans cannot possibly match.  It was that way for Bill Clinton, it was that way for Obama.   It's a popularity contest, plain and simple.  Dems don't win when they have a guy like Dukakis or Gore.  

 

Off the heels of Hillary's defeat, out steps AOC.  Right place, right time, a fun persona, interesting story, not afraid to mix it up with the other side.  She might have stolen a lot of thunder from Booker and Harris, but you might argue (I'm not necessarily) that the thunder was there all along for the taking and Booker and Harris didn't claim it.  

 

She's the breath of fresh air that the party needed and was in the right place at the right time.  IMO, its hers to lose.  Too early to tell if she flames out or has staying power.  I think people who make predictions in either direction are seeing what they want to see.  A lot can change between now and when she'd be able to run for an election.  

 

[superozman]

11 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

The right has no problem coming to the left to preach what they believe.  We are paying for not doing the same.

 

The left goes to the right to preach what they believe as well, through various outlets.  Or am I missing your point?

[LadySkinsFan]

Every time I see her questioning a person appearing before one of her committees, I am more impressed by her. She asks relevant questions, demands yes/no answers, and doesn't put up with weasel wording, she calls them out. 

 

It's what I have been hoping for from Democrats for a long time. In fact, several newly elected Democrats behave like Alexandra. We need more of them in the party and elective office. 

 

 

[HOF44]

I think she has a great future.  At 29 she has a lot to learn about navigating the treacherous waters of National Politics.  Knowledge and good intentions are not enough.  You have to learn what and how the politico are trying to destroy you and your message and how to effectively combat that.  I think the Presidential minimum age works in her favor here.  She can't be tempted by her popularity to run to soon.  

[Renegade7]

16 minutes ago, superozman said:

 

The left goes to the right to preach what they believe as well, through various outlets.  Or am I missing your point?

 

It's not even close, we just discussed how they never go on Fox yet Kelleyane and other Trump defenders have been a regulars.  It's a huge reason they don't k ow our plans because they are never hearing it directly from us, its always filtered.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Renegade7

[Spaceman Spiff]

Just now, Renegade7 said:

 

It's not even close, we just discussed how they never go on Fox yet Kelleyane and other Trump defenders have been a regulars.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think this is your point:

 

 

[TheGoodBits]

8 minutes ago, HOF44 said:

I think she has a great future.  At 29 she has a lot to learn about navigating the treacherous waters of National Politics.  Knowledge and good intentions are not enough.  You have to learn what and how the politico are trying to destroy you and your message and how to effectively combat that.  I think the Presidential minimum age works in her favor here.  She can't be tempted by her popularity to run to soon.  

 

Thinking of a hypothetical 2028 ticket that could include 46 year old Pete Buttigeig (after successfully winning an Indiana governor race or a congressional seat) and AOC, a 38 year old five term congresswoman. 

[Captain Wiggles]

Only Democrat I see on FNC regularly is Swalwell. As I mentioned in the election thread he just loves the camera so of course he'll go on. 

 

Bill Maher's a 100% correct. Go on FNC and tell it like it really is.

[88Comrade2000]

Will AOC be 35 on election day, 2024?  Think you have to be 35 on Election Day to be eligible. That's probably to early for her. 2028 seems more likely.

 

I don't see her in congress long though because it's just to small for her.  Either the Dems pissed off at her, will take her out in 2020 or 2022 or she may decide to channel her energies elsewhere.   She's going to be an activitist for her views, for a long time.  Whether that venue will be through Congress, time will tell.

 

I do believe she will make her mark in time and run for President.  PRobably, when more the country is aligned with her views.

[The Evil Genius]

1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Dems win when they have a younger, cooler candidate.  Hate to say it, but a presidential election is in the bag for Dems when there's a hip factor that the Republicans cannot possibly match.  It was that way for Bill Clinton, it was that way for Obama.   It's a popularity contest, plain and simple.  Dems don't win when they have a guy like Dukakis or Gore. 

 

 

So Beto in 2020? 

Edited April 4, 2019 by The Evil Genius

[Spaceman Spiff]

10 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Will AOC be 35 on election day, 2024?  Think you have to be 35 on Election Day to be eligible. That's probably to early for her. 2028 seems more likely.

 

I don't see her in congress long though because it's just to small for her.  Either the Dems pissed off at her, will take her out in 2020 or 2022 or she may decide to channel her energies elsewhere.   She's going to be an activitist for her views, for a long time.  Whether that venue will be through Congress, time will tell.

 

I do believe she will make her mark in time and run for President.  PRobably, when more the country is aligned with her views.

 

I'm wondering if/when she becomes beholden to large corporations who seek out to buy her.  I'll be impressed if she refuses their offers.  Is she going to turn down a Hillary Clinton sized speaking fee?  And if she doesn't, is it going to influence her when it comes time to pass a bill?  

2 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

So Beto in 2020? 

 

I guess, I mean I wouldn't be thrilled with him but he's better than what we have now.  

 

[grego]

In a way, I like the FU, outsider attitude she has. I like that, for the most part and from what I can tell, her heart is in the right place (minus some comments about her being in charge and critics screaming from the cheap seats- that was silly).

 

I think 'left wing trump' was a funny descriptor. she says some crazy stuff, actual gaffes that seem to get a pass because of the hatred for trump, i'm guessing. I don't think that people talking about criticism from the right are realizing that there is plenty of criticism from the left. david pakmans (a progressive who I generally agree with) has the same concerns I do and then some.  

[PeterMP]

40 minutes ago, grego said:

I think 'left wing trump' was a funny descriptor. she says some crazy stuff, actual gaffes that seem to get a pass because of the hatred for trump

 

I don't worry about too much when she says something thing that I don't think is too bright.  She's still young, only a 1st term congress woman, and I think she's learning.

 

When she says something that I think is stupid, it worries me a lot less than when Trump does, simply because of their respective power/authority.

[Captain Wiggles]

If n when she endorses Bernie wonder how she'll be viewed. Especially in the ES tailgate. 👿

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, clietas said:

If n when she endorses Bernie wonder how she'll be viewed. Especially in the ES tailgate. 👿

 

She's all but done that already as Bernies democratic socialist leader heir apparent.  Until she clarifies her stance on capitalism, I won't vote for her, standing by that, I have to.

[superozman]

2 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

It's not even close, we just discussed how they never go on Fox yet Kelleyane and other Trump defenders have been a regulars.  It's a huge reason they don't k ow our plans because they are never hearing it directly from us, its always filtered.

 

I hear many right wing outlets invite people on but many don't.  My assumption is the debates get heated or people expect their ideas will be ridiculed or something.

 

[Captain Wiggles]

9 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

She's all but done that already as Bernies democratic socialist leader heir apparent.  Until she clarifies her stance on capitalism, I won't vote for her, standing by that, I have to.

 

So you think she and Bernie are actual socialists or anti capitalists? 

Edited April 4, 2019 by clietas

[Renegade7]

3 minutes ago, superozman said:

 

I hear many right wing outlets invite people on but many don't.  My assumption is the debates get heated or people expect their ideas will be ridiculed or something.

 

 

Not everyone on the right is a mouthfoamer, some of these presidential hopeful should be lining up to have Chris Wallace interview them.  When you strip away the nonsense, the right is meeting the left halfway in spreading their message on their media outlets. 

 

I wouldn't say go meet Alex Jones, but it would be hard for Rush to frame someone as unreasonable if they show up and are reasonable, because that's how left is betrayed right now.  The left should not act scared of half the country, they have to lead them, too.

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, clietas said:

 

So you think she and Bernie are actual socialists or anti capitalism? 

Both.  I don't think either one of them trusts capitalism anymore, and that's a problem because neither do a lot of their followers and it's not being made clear to them what that means.  I'm on social media enough and can see there's dangerous game being played that what my generation wants can only be achieved by eliminating capitalism.  This strategy is not new, its old as socialism itself.

[The Evil Genius]

14 minutes ago, clietas said:

If n when she endorses Bernie wonder how she'll be viewed. Especially in the ES tailgate. 👿

 

She fangirled over HRC retweeting her last week. I suspect unlike Sanders, she won't bern those bridges with the more moderate part of the party. 😁

 

At the end of the day, I'd vote for either (even if they are both way left of me) if they won a nomination for the Dems against a GOP candidate whose views were further from mine. I definitely wouldn't protest vote or not vote.

[grego]

8 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Both.  I don't think either one of them trusts capitalism anymore, and that's a problem because neither do a lot of their followers and it's not being made clear to them what that means.  I'm on social media enough and can see there's dangerous game being played that what my generation wants can only be achieved by eliminating capitalism.  This strategy is not new, its old as socialism itself.

 

I agree with you, and I see what you're seeing. there is an anti-capitalist, pro-socialist mindset with young people. I think socialism is a great idea, until people get involved. that said, i'm for some kind of regulations, which I was generally against not too long ago. that's why I agree with AOC in principle on amazon getting tax breaks, for example, and higher taxes for the rich, get rid of the loopholes, etc., but I don't always agree with the methodology.