TheGoodBits Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, zskins said: @Riggo#44 I think you need to change the title to Start Of A New Era instead. Next year. It’s still the end. Let us grieve the rest of this year. Gonna ****ing suck watching the playoffs with all our players on different teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Raise your hand if you have actually given business advice to a billionaire and been paid for it. 🙋♂️ And yet here you are on a public sports forum instead of owning a sports team...lol Edited July 30, 2021 by zskins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, bearrock said: Nats have major portions of the contract deferred in every single one of their big contracts and deferred many years out into the future. I can't remember the last big contract they gave out without a deferral. I didn't say no other team does deferred contracts, but no one does as much as the Nats do (O's and Mets might come close. Wanna be in their company?). They are right about there for 6th market size. When you factor in the aggressive deferment, they don't spend like the sixth largest market. The MASN deal can’t be ignored when it comes to spending. May be the sixth largest market, but where are we in tv revenue? Most likely bottom 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 A bigger issue than what the owners do with their $, this front office HAS to start drafting and developing better. What's the last home grown impact player we've had? Rendon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Ball Security said: The MASN deal can’t be ignored when it comes to spending. May be the sixth largest market, but where are we in tv revenue? Most likely bottom 10. 9th https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-update-the-estimated-local-tv-revenue-for-mlb-teams/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, bearrock said: Nats have major portions of the contract deferred in every single one of their big contracts and deferred many years out into the future. I can't remember the last big contract they gave out without a deferral. I didn't say no other team does deferred contracts, but no one does as much as the Nats do (O's and Mets might come close. Wanna be in their company?). So what's your point? Losing Harper? Ok. We did okay without him--and Philly is still struggling to field a winning team. Losing Rendon? He's not doing well in LA right now. We still signed one of the best free agents in the history of free agency doing it this way. We still have a top pay roll no matter how you spin it and they spend money to win. So what if they deferr money--everyone does it. Quote Mookie Betts will not receive all of his money from his $365 million, 12-year contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers until he is approaching his 52nd birthday in 2044, according to contract details obtained by The Associated Press. His deal includes $115 million in deferred payments. Quote Per The NY Post's Joel Sherman, Lindor is getting $32 million per year, with $5 million deferred money per year between 2032 to 2041. Lindor also gets a $21 million signing bonus, all adding up to $341 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ball Security said: The MASN deal can’t be ignored when it comes to spending. May be the sixth largest market, but where are we in tv revenue? Most likely bottom 10. Nats actually have 8th highest. And unlike most teams in top 10, they are not locked into decades long deal because their fees is revised every 5 years. And MLB loaned them the money that was being withheld by MASN Edit: Apparently, it was 9th Edited July 30, 2021 by bearrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: 9th https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-update-the-estimated-local-tv-revenue-for-mlb-teams/ So, is that bottom 10? Can’t tell. 🤔 I am surprised that Texas is lower. I remember them announcing a huge deal several years ago earlier in the MASN litigation process and the thought was most of these teams would leapfrog Was/Bal while this was up in the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CRobi21 said: A bigger issue than what the owners do with their $, this front office HAS to start drafting and developing better. What's the last home grown impact player we've had? Rendon? Soto was, what, 16 when we picked him up? It's not drafting but think we had at least some part in developing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bacon said: It's the kind of deal a team strikes when they are out of money and need to do something. It's the kind of deal you strike when you are no longer competitive, have nothing in the farm system, have $70m tied up in 3 players who won't give you anything. It's the type of deal you make when you don't want to be the 2012 Phillies. Compare it to what the Indians...er...Guardians got for Linder and Carrasco. What the Orioles got for Machado. What the return for Harper was proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Raise your hand if you have actually given business advice to a billionaire and been paid for it. 🙋♂️ I have, on numerous occasions, advised Daniel Snyder to sell the ****ing team. I have been paid with years of heartache and frustration. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: Nats actually have 8th highest. And unlike most teams in top 10, they are not locked into decades long deal because their fees is revised every 5 years. And MLB loaned them the money that was being withheld by MASN Edit: Apparently, it was 9th They loaned them $25m...and it's cute you think it's revised every 5 years, considering they are still in court over the 2012 revision and we haven't seen a dime of it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, zskins said: Wait you don't read sports on the Internet like some of us normal people...lol A Public Service Announcement: Read the news in whatever format you like as long as - and this is important - you support local journalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, -JB- said: Well, they didn’t sniff it last year and were coming apart at the seams this year. Josiah Gray is the 21st prospect in all of baseball & Ruiz is #43. Couldn’t ask for a better haul. Of all the teams in on Max, the Dodgers had the highest ranked prospect in discussions plus Ruiz who is a very near MLB Catcher which is a big position of need going forward. Cade Cavalli has been a fast rising prospect also ranked #70 so now we went from before the season having no prospects in the top 100 to 3 and hopefully counting. Armando Cruz will be 18 in January and if he can be a fast riser we could be in tremendous shape going forward with also SS Brady House entering the fray. Last year was an outlier with the pandemic and shortened season. The guys they got back in the trades are a nice foundation, but time will tell if it pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Next year. It’s still the end. Let us grieve the rest of this year. Gonna ****ing suck watching the playoffs with all our players on different teams. Yeah true. But an early start I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Raise your hand if you have actually given business advice to a billionaire and been paid for it. 🙋♂️ I'm willing to bet your advice wasn't "you should tank your investment for my enjoyment." 20 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Next year. It’s still the end. Let us grieve the rest of this year. Gonna ****ing suck watching the playoffs with all our players on different teams. Well most of our players, because the Phillies and Angels ain't making it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zCommander Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dan T. said: A Public Service Announcement: Read the news in whatever format you like as long as - and this is important - you support local journalism. Clicking on a news article also supports the local journalism as it gives the data to advertisers to see how many people read online and they buy ad for the interwebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: I'm willing to bet your advice wasn't "you should tank your investment for my enjoyment." It was closer to, "you can use this revenue-neutral investment to dramatically decreases the taxes you pay on all of your other holdings." Which is exactly what the Lerner's do, except they also try to extract as much money as possible from their sports franchise which only exists for the purpose of entertaining fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: So what's your point? Losing Harper? Ok. We did okay without him--and Philly is still struggling to field a winning team. Losing Rendon? He's not doing well in LA right now. We still signed one of the best free agents in the history of free agency doing it this way. We still have a top pay roll no matter how you spin it and they spend money to win. So what if they deferr money--everyone does it. See how much money LA or NY deferred for others. How much did they defer for Kershaw, Bauer, or Muncy? How much did NY defer fo De Grom? By comparison Nats had over 30+ million deferred from Max, Stras, and Corbin alone in 2019. If you consider that, they weren't a few million under the lux tax, they were close to 40 mil under. Nats have been contending the last 10 years because Rizzo is a wizard. Lerners pattern of spending hampers Rizzo's ability. 17 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: They loaned them $25m...and it's cute you think it's revised every 5 years, considering they are still in court over the 2012 revision and we haven't seen a dime of it yet. You do realize that the fight is over the additional money that the Nats owed right? It's not as if MASN paid nothing to the Nats. Edited July 30, 2021 by bearrock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Considering the last 72 hours, the final third of this season might be a farewell tour for Ryan Zimmerman. Does he bother to stick around for a rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, bearrock said: You do realize that the fight is over the additional money that the Nats owed right? It's not as if MASN paid nothing to the Nats. MASN hasn't paid the Nationals in 3 years: https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/according-to-the-nationals-masn-hasnt-paid-them-a-rights-fee-in-nearly-a-year.html 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: See how much money LA or NY deferred for others. How much did they defer for Kershaw, Bauer, or Muncy? How much did NY defer fo De Grom? By comparison Nats had over 30+ million deferred from Max, Stras, and Corbin alone in 2019. If you consider that, they weren't a few million under the lux tax, they were close to 40 mil under. What's your point? More players than not are accepting deferrals, so what's the problem? deGrom btw, according to sportrac, has $52M deferred, plus another $15m on his 2024 club option: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/jacob-degrom-15662/ Seeing a lot of wild variances in the evaluations we've received: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/scouting-the-nationals-return-for-max-scherzer-and-trea-turner/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: MASN hasn't paid the Nationals in 3 years: https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/according-to-the-nationals-masn-hasnt-paid-them-a-rights-fee-in-nearly-a-year.html Counterpoint: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/23/judge-upholds-order-masn-pay-nationals-additional-million-rights-fees/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Yeah, if the Nats haven't been paid a dime from MASN in 3 years and haven't raced to the courthouse, somebody should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Counterpoint: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/23/judge-upholds-order-masn-pay-nationals-additional-million-rights-fees/ The rest of the story: It's still in dispute, the money has been put in escrow, but as I said earlier, the Nats haven't seen it yet. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/22/nationals-masn-award/ 1 minute ago, bearrock said: Yeah, if the Nats haven't been paid a dime from MASN in 3 years and haven't raced to the courthouse, somebody should be fired. It's still in court...it's been in court for 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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