Miami Herald: I’m done trying to understand Trump supporters. Why don’t they try to understand me?

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Alex Jones: White House directed me to lead crowd to the US Capitol

 

ALEX JONES (HOST): Ladies and gentlemen, when I tell you this, it’s not to brag about my connection to this embattled president because that in the modern world is a millstone around my neck. It’s to understand what happens. No one would book the Ellipse. No one would book the other areas. No one would pay for it. We went and paid for it. Thank God a donor came in that paid for like 80% of it, because it cost close to a half-a-million dollars for all the equipment and all the stages and the rest of it, the porta potties, you name it. 

 

And then the White House told me three days before, “We’re going to have you lead the march. The Secret Service -- before Trump finishes, 30 minutes before -- so we’ll lead you to a point, take you out of the front row and lead you to the place where they want you to start the march and Trump will tell people, ‘Go, and I’m going to meet you at the Capitol.’” There was a million people outside of the Ellipse that was -- you know, metal detectors, folks coming in. And so, by the time I got out there 20 minutes, 30 minutes before Trump finished his speech there were already hundreds of thousands of people ahead of me marching. And before Trump ever took the stage, antifa, dressed up -- over a hundred of them -- as patriots, was there. They had their classic elbow pads and knee pads, because that’s what the wimps wear, out there screaming, “F antifa” and Proud Boy chants to try and blame the Proud Boys.

 

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[ClaytoAli]

4 hours ago, visionary said:

 

She believes in freedom and justice for some.

[PCS]

 

[Bang]

Folks are upset because of the lack of arrests, rightfully so, and while I do think trump's toadies and fanboys in the pentagon and police DID act to prevent aid and assist the insurrection, I think trying to confront this crowd as opposed to a BLM crowd is decidedly different. 
As in, this crowd is likely to be heavily armed, and a confrontation would lead to absolute worst case scenario of a LOT of blood being shed. There is no turning back from that. 
A BLM protest is largely organized to be peaceful, there are not likely to be hundreds of people with rifles and other weapons in the march. (and while i disagree largely with how the police in those situations react in the opposite manner, I don't think it's comparable.) I think you can condemn the actions of the cops in one situation, and understand what they're doing in another, in a whole other city. It isn't like they are all one group anyway. Cops in DC and cops in Milwaukee aren't under the same leadership, etc.


So act with a little restraint, they have their moment, and get caught on every camera to be tracked down later, individually.

It's a slippery situation, and I think acting with restraint was certainly not something anyone would want to see, it was probably the smart play.

 

~Bang

[LD0506]

Oh yeah, gassing and clubbing protesters that won't fight back is the smart move, haulin ass like a Parkland cop prudent, I get it.

[ClaytoAli]

How many times has Trump said "I DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY" since becoming POTUS?

 

Will he do it again?

Edited January 8, 2021 by ClaytoAli

[Bang]

7 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

Oh yeah, gassing and clubbing protesters that won't fight back is the smart move, haulin ass like a Parkland cop prudent, I get it.

Well, i understand, but you get what i'm saying.
They get into a major shootout in that situation, we have definitely got a full blown civil war on our hands.
AND, the count is stopped.. Trump can declare national Emergency,, they get what they want, at least temporarily. |
If there is a battle, the congress isn't coming back that night to certify.

 

I am going to toss this out as well as food for thought. I am friends with my county sheriff, play pickleball with him a lot. During the BLM protests we had one here, and he deployed tear gas.
As he said,,  the result was nobody got hurt, and they went home without an arrest record.
Not saying if I agree, but from his perspective, he's doing the right thing in protecting the protesters as well. They may have a night of tear gas irritation, but that is all. No violence, no arrests. As he said to me "most of them are just kids".

 

And like i said above... his thinking is certainly different in our rural county facing a hundred protesters, and a major city facing thousands. Making comparisons are not always so black and white, no pun intended.

 

~Bang

[RansomthePasserby]

I’m seeing the same thing I think a lot of us saw four year ago when Trump was elected. A group of Americans, largely from the rural midwest and south, feel like they’re being ignored by the people they view as the “elites” on both the east and west coasts and in Washington. They think Trump cares about them because he presents himself in a way that appeals to them (he doesn’t care, he just saw them as a means to power), and because he’s a Washington outsider. They thought that Trump gave them power and a voice over the “elites.” Trump is going away now and the they fear that their power and voice will leave with him. They have largely felt powerless and without a voice (many of them may never have even bothered to vote before Trump) and now that the man they see as being their advocate is leaving Washington, they’re throwing an adult temper tantrum.

[LD0506]

10 minutes ago, Bang said:

Well, i understand, but you get what i'm saying.
They get into a major shootout in that situation, we have definitely got a full blown civil war on our hands.
AND, the count is stopped.. Trump can declare national Emergency,, they get what they want, at least temporarily. |
If there is a battle, the congress isn't coming back that night to certify.

 

I am going to toss this out as well as food for thought. I am friends with my county sheriff, play pickleball with him a lot. During the BLM protests we had one here, and he deployed tear gas.
As he said,,  the result was nobody got hurt, and they went home without an arrest record.
Not saying if I agree, but from his perspective, he's doing the right thing in protecting the protesters as well. They may have a night of tear gas irritation, but that is all. No violence, no arrests. As he said to me "most of them are just kids".

 

And like i said above... his thinking is certainly different in our rural county facing a hundred protesters, and a major city facing thousands. Making comparisons are not always so black and white, no pun intended.

 

~Bang

 

I know, I'm just seriously pissed about this......ignore me

[Wildbunny]

12 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

Oh yeah, gassing and clubbing protesters that won't fight back is the smart move, haulin ass like a Parkland cop prudent, I get it.

That's not exactly Bang's pov here.

As hard as it seems, sometimes you have to accept to lose X or Y to win on the long run. You have to adapt your strategy to what you're facing. And sometimes giving up a hundred meters can do wonders in keeping things at peace. refusing confrontation for some time produce bad videos, but can do wonders in peace keeping. You definately wants to see people getting nervous at building and stuff that fighting each others. That's because the second part can escalade real fast. as people will most likely try to outgun the otherside, and everyone knows trumpers are heavily gunned (see IED around the capitol, that's no fake).

 

Mind you, a woman was shot and kill during those events. Because she tried to step too far of what was allowed. Should the limit have been set earlier? Maybe, but you would have had a real bloodbath as more people would have tried to get in.

 

As astonishing as it is to have mobs in the Capitole parading, it's a way better option that having tenth or hundredth of bodies laying on the ground around the Capitole when it's all said and done.

 

Could they have send the NG prior to this, heavily equipped cop prior to this? Yeah definately. Thing is, doing this will care peaceful proteter and won't want to deal with this.

But a legion of zergling wanting to fight isn't gonna get scared by this and will fight nonetheless.

 

Could they have arrested most of them? Yeah sure, but there's no rush in doing so. It's better to disperse the crowd and have a sentiment of peace faster. You can always grab those idiots later. The vast majority of them were stupid enough to put videos on twitter, instagram, facebook. Or were politely declining nae and adress to journalists. It's all over the place. FBI won't have any problem catching them all right after that. In fact that's how it's often done in most countries. When stuff like this happen in France, you only have 10 or 20 guys arrested on the day of the events. But 2/3 days after that? That's one hundred or two hundred of them that are getting trialed.

 

Looking at this in retrospect and from afar, it doesn't look like it was that bandly handed by security forces. And if you talk about the symbol, I'll remind you that some "Yellow jackets assholes" stormed and raided the Arc de Triomphe a few years ago. That was quite symbolic and astonishing to.

[LD0506]

6 minutes ago, RansomthePasserby said:

I’m seeing the same thing I think a lot of us saw four year ago when Trump was elected. A group of Americans, largely from the rural midwest and south, feel like they’re being ignored by the people they view as the “elites” on both the east and west coasts and in Washington. They think Trump cares about them because he presents himself in a way that appeals to them (he doesn’t care, he just saw them as a means to power), and because he’s a Washington outsider. They thought that Trump gave them power and a voice over the “elites.” Trump is going away now and the they fear that their power and voice will leave with him. They have largely felt powerless and without a voice (many of them may never have even bothered to vote before Trump) and now that the man they see as being their advocate is leaving Washington, they’re throwing an adult temper tantrum.

 

Uggggghhhhh, <rollin the livin **** outta my eyes>

 

I am sick to death of hearing about how the mouth breathers are under represented and unappreciated. They want the participation trophy although they are unwilling and unable to do a damned thing to improve themselves. They are still sitting on the same sagging couch where they were when they cheered on Reagan and his cronies, won't change jobs, won't reeducate/retrain, won't relocate, won't do a single ****in thing besides drink cheap beer and blame the Mexicans but THEY should have a say, hell, they should have THE say on how the country is run. Keep voting for the vilest Repubs that will pander to their stupidity and their racism but never fire up that last remaining neuron to wonder why things never get any better, but her emails!

 

I'm tapped out, I have run utterly and completely dry, I do not have a single scrap of compassion or understanding left for an army of rabid dumbasses intent on dragging us down to their level.

 

 

[Ball Security]

13 minutes ago, RansomthePasserby said:

I’m seeing the same thing I think a lot of us saw four year ago when Trump was elected. A group of Americans, largely from the rural midwest and south, feel like they’re being ignored by the people they view as the “elites” on both the east and west coasts and in Washington. They think Trump cares about them because he presents himself in a way that appeals to them (he doesn’t care, he just saw them as a means to power), and because he’s a Washington outsider. They thought that Trump gave them power and a voice over the “elites.” Trump is going away now and the they fear that their power and voice will leave with him. They have largely felt powerless and without a voice (many of them may never have even bothered to vote before Trump) and now that the man they see as being their advocate is leaving Washington, they’re throwing an adult temper tantrum.

I’m not sure why these people can’t pick themselves up by their bootstraps and stop sucking off the government’s teat.  
 

 

[LD0506]

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[Bang]

14 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

 

I know, I'm just seriously pissed about this......ignore me

Nah, never ignore you.
And I'm pissed too.

I think right now my main anger is directed toward the GOP who is trying to worm out from under with patriotic words in the aftermath.

No no no. 
They enabled this. They bent over and kissed it, they put a clearly corrupt and CLEARLY unfit president above the law, and they created this.
NEVER ever let any of them forget it or live it down. EVER.

EVER
 

~Bang

[LD0506]

Just now, Bang said:

Nah, never ignore you.
And I'm pissed too.

I think right now my main anger is directed toward the GOP who is trying to worm out from under with patriotic words in the aftermath.

No no no. 
They enabled this. They bent over and kissed it, they put a clearly corrupt and CLEARLY unfit president above the law, and they created this.
NEVER ever let any of them forget it or live it down. EVER.

EVER
 

~Bang

 

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

 

Sasse is trying to ooze out of the crosshairs, Lankford fer crissakes doin his best Barney Fife imitation offering placating words......they voted for everything the maniac proposed and everything their donors told them and stifled and stymied everything else.

 

They own this, all of it, all of them

[Wildbunny]

23 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

 

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

 

Sasse is trying to ooze out of the crosshairs, Lankford fer crissakes doin his best Barney Fife imitation offering placating words......they voted for everything the maniac proposed and everything their donors told them and stifled and stymied everything else.

 

They own this, all of it, all of them

I would remove Mitt Romney from the list though.

The guy didn't bow in any way AFAIK.

[LD0506]

3 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

I would remove Mitt Romney from the list though.

The guy didn't bow in any way AFAIK.

 

Mittens is a windsock, he goes whichever way the wind blows. Talk ****, then angle for SoS, flex his Susan Collins "very concerned" muscle and then vote party line.

 

Uggghhhhhh

 

 

[The Sisko]

1 hour ago, Bang said:

Folks are upset because of the lack of arrests, rightfully so, and while I do think trump's toadies and fanboys in the pentagon and police DID act to prevent aid and assist the insurrection, I think trying to confront this crowd as opposed to a BLM crowd is decidedly different. 
As in, this crowd is likely to be heavily armed, and a confrontation would lead to absolute worst case scenario of a LOT of blood being shed. There is no turning back from that. 
A BLM protest is largely organized to be peaceful, there are not likely to be hundreds of people with rifles and other weapons in the march. (and while i disagree largely with how the police in those situations react in the opposite manner, I don't think it's comparable.) I think you can condemn the actions of the cops in one situation, and understand what they're doing in another, in a whole other city. It isn't like they are all one group anyway. Cops in DC and cops in Milwaukee aren't under the same leadership, etc.


So act with a little restraint, they have their moment, and get caught on every camera to be tracked down later, individually.

It's a slippery situation, and I think acting with restraint was certainly not something anyone would want to see, it was probably the smart play.

 

~Bang

Translation: Cops are the cowards we always knew they were and BLM needs to seriously up their weapons game.

 

15 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

I would remove Mitt Romney from the list though.

The guy didn't bow in any way AFAIK.

...except when it came to voting in a SCOTUS judge on a rapid timeline after RBG’s death. He’s got integrity some of the time, I’ll give him that.

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

42 minutes ago, Bang said:

Nah, never ignore you.
And I'm pissed too.

I think right now my main anger is directed toward the GOP who is trying to worm out from under with patriotic words in the aftermath.

No no no. 
They enabled this. They bent over and kissed it, they put a clearly corrupt and CLEARLY unfit president above the law, and they created this.
NEVER ever let any of them forget it or live it down. EVER.

EVER
 

~Bang

I get what you’re saying (at least I think I do) but there needs to be a line drawn.  And when someone attempts to cross that line, you protect that line by any means necessary.  Yes there are some battles you lose to win the war.  But if you let yourself lose too many, then you’ve lost the war.  After having some time to mull it over, I still think they should have shot any of the terrorists that entered the capital.  Yea that would have been bloody and may have led to more blood going further.  But if you are scared of blood being shed, then you have already lost the war.  A stand should have been made.  All that happened was the Trumplicans were shown there is no line.

 

Thomas Jefferson said “the tree of liberty  must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.“  The crazies on the right love to use that quote.  Occasionally they need to be reminded that their blood can be the manure also.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

4 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

After having some time to mull it over, I still think they should have shot any of the terrorists that entered the capital.

This presents a myriad of issues with all of the evidence of some of these folks being escorted in by the same police that would be shooting them.  It was a colossal failure, that I'm sure is full of shady details, wink wink agreements, and the like.  

[The Sisko]

2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I get what you’re saying (at least I think I do) but there needs to be a line drawn.  And when someone attempts to cross that line, you protect that line by any means necessary.  Yes there are some battles you lose to win the war.  But if you let yourself lose too many, then you’ve lost the war.  After having some time to mull it over, I still think they should have shot any of the terrorists that entered the capital.  Yea that would have been bloody and may have led to more blood going further.  But if you are scared of blood being shed, then you have already lost the war.  A stand should have been made.  All that happened was the Trumplicans were shown there is no line.

 

Thomas Jefferson said “the tree of liberty  must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.“  The crazies on the right love to use that quote.  Occasionally they need to be reminded that their blood can be the manure also.

Exactly. It would have also separated the wheat from the chaff quickly. I’m sure there were some that were actually willing to fight, but that’s probably at best, 5-10% of them. If you’ve never had rounds fired at you or seen the effect of gunshot wounds, both are pretty humbling and revolting experiences. Watching **** get real would have the effect of pushing the 90% or so that aren’t serious away from the scene and the movement while the rest could then be dealt with in the appropriate manner.

 

In fairness to Bang, I’ll concede this may not have been the best time from a strategic standpoint. After all, I’m sure Tя☭mp was waiting to declare martial law and we probably need time to weed out the ghost skins in the police and military before having any kind of major confrontations with these thugs.

[Bang]

Buzz and Sisko, i totally get what you're saying and i will not disagree. 

These are just my opinions as to why the response was what it was, I'm just trying to think on it, but it is hard because I DO believe there was inside orchestration, i DO believe Trump installed people in the pentagon specifically to slow reaction to whatever was going to happen, and he incited this mob for the purpose of attempting a coup. I think once the order was given to open the gate, which they did, they took defense via force off the table. 

I'm holding on to see what happens in the coming months,, not just in terms of potential violence, but also in the arrests of these folks, assuming there will be. These are not light crimes. It's treason even the old lady walking sweetly inside the rope and taking pictures.
And that includes investigating the Capitol police and the entire chain that kept security so light.

 

That said, a couple of artillery shells on the steps would definitely have cleared the area.
Patch the holes and mop up the trees. 

 

~Bang