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+Should we bring back Scot McCloughan?  

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  1. 1. In the offseason, should the Redskins bring back Scot McCloughan?

    • Yes, bring him back and fire Bruce Allen
      80
    • Yes, bring him back and keep Bruce Allen
      1
    • No, he has a drinking problem and was fired for good reason
      10
    • No, but for another reason
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Skinsinparadise

Skinsinparadise

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18 minutes ago, BurgundyBooger said:

If anyone, we should bring back Mike Shanahan as a GM.

 

Virtually all of our playmakers are his picks.

 

Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson and Kirk Cousins were great picks.  Going with Trent over Okung ended up smart.  Kerrigan has been very good but they could have gotten Watt.   Morris was good for a spell.   But if you go through the drafts lots and lots of misses. He matched up to his rep in Denver -- keen eye for talent on offense but struggled finding and developing talent on defense. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/draft.htm

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 2 David Amerson 51 DB 2017 0 0 4 18 68                       8   North Carolina St.
2013 3 Jordan Reed 85 TE 2017 0 1 1 19 52           1 18 0 275 2813 22     Florida
2013 4 Phillip Thomas 119 DB 2014 0 0 0 2 8                           Fresno St.
2013 5 Chris Thompson 154 RB 2017 0 0 0 8 45           170 878 5 129 1126 9     Florida St.
2013 5 Brandon Jenkins 162 DE 2013 0 0 0 0 5                           Florida St.
2013 6 Bacarri Rambo 191 DB 2016 0 0 1 8 41                       4 2.0 Georgia
2013 7 Jawan Jamison 228 RB   0 0 0                               Rutgers
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2012 1 Robert Griffin 2 QB 2016 0 1 2 35 42 766 1210 8983 42 26 275 1670 10 0 0 0     Baylor
2012 3 Josh LeRibeus 71 G 2017 0 0 1 8 42                           SMU
2012 4 Kirk Cousins 102 QB 2017 0 1 3 30 60 1333 2022 15749 96 51 117 359 12           Michigan St.
2012 4 Keenan Robinson 119 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 58                       2 1.5 Texas
2012 5 Adam Gettis 141 G 2016 0 0 0 2 17                           Iowa
2012 6 Alfred Morris 173 RB 2017 0 2 4 30 90           1260 5502 32 57 421 0     Florida Atlantic
2012 6 Tom Compton 193 T 2017 0 0 1 9 70                           South Dakota
2012 7 Richard Crawford 213 DB 2012 0 0 0 1 10                       1   SMU
2012 7 Jordan Bernstine 217 DB 2012 0 0 0 0 1                           Iowa
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2011 1 Ryan Kerrigan 16 DE 2017 0 2 7 43 110                       3 67.5 Purdue
2011 2 Jarvis Jenkins 41 DT 2017 0 0 3 21 84                         7.0 Clemson
2011 3 Leonard Hankerson 79 WR 2015 0 0 0 12 41           2 5 0 107 1408 9     Miami (FL)
2011 4 Roy Helu 105 RB 2015 0 0 0 13 57           272 1171 7 138 1227 4     Nebraska
2011 5 DeJon Gomes 146 DB 2013 0 0 0 5 46                       1   Nebraska
2011 5 Niles Paul 155 WR 2017 0 0 0 5 80           4 10 0 67 856 2     Nebraska
2011 6 Evan Royster 177 RB 2013 0 0 0 4 32           81 416 2 25 180 0     Penn St.
2011 6 Aldrick Robinson 178 WR 2017 0 0 0 9 68           4 10 0 67 1167 8     SMU
2011 7 Brandyn Thompson 213 DB 2011 0 0 0 1 6                           Boise St.
2011 7 Maurice Hurt 217 G 2012 0 0 1 6 21                           Florida
2011 7 Markus White 224 DE 2012 0 0 0 0 5                           Florida St.
2011 7 Chris Neild 253 DT 2013 0 0 0 2 24                         2.0 West Virginia
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2010 1 Trent Williams 4 T 2017 0 5 8 57 107                           Oklahoma
2010 4 Perry Riley 103 LB 2016 0 0 5 30 90                       3 9.5 LSU
2010 6 Dennis Morris 174 RB   0 0 0                               Louisiana Tech
2010 7 Terrence Austin 219 WR 2011 0 0 0 1 18                 15 184 0     UCLA
2010 7 Erik Cook 229 C 2011 0 0 0 1 6                           New Mexico
2010 7 Selvish Capers 231 T 2012 0 0 0 0 3                        

 

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TouchdownSkin

TouchdownSkin

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27 minutes ago, mcdonaldrw said:

Would love to see that happen if for no other reason than the amount of drama it would stir up

 

I'm sick of drama.  I want professionalism, and I do not think Scot is the answer.  A true GM is definitely needed, but let's not degrade our franchise any further.  

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mcdonaldrw

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18 minutes ago, TouchdownSkin said:

 

I'm sick of drama.  I want professionalism, and I do not think Scot is the answer.  A true GM is definitely needed, but let's not degrade our franchise any further.  

Didn't mean drama for the team, just the amount it would cause some members of ES would be what I would find funny

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Malapropismic Depository

Malapropismic Depository

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I would be in favor of Shanahan, the GM. It just has about zero chance of happening.

Which brings me to probably the biggest problem with the Redskins, that I havn't heard anyone mention - burning bridges.

We have a pattern of guys leaving town on very bad terms, and never wanting to come back.

You can't do that in the NFL - and you can't do that in life.

In the NFL especially, there often comes a time when you may want to bring someone back, but the damage done, makes that nearly impossible.

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Silvernon

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Schaffer's role has grown since Cerrato left, and seemingly more since Allen.

it's just a matter of time.

Schaffer promoted to GM (2019) with the luxury of making an immediate change at HC and likely to get more than one chance at a HC hire. 

 

Allen probably stays on as President.

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Koala

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Our front office needs personnel with good character.  That stuff isn't just for the players -- it' s actually important,  and it tends to seep down to affect all aspects of the organization.  Our abysmal record over the last quarter century has actually been little more than a small dose of cosmic justice.  

 

Bruce Allen is a snake. McCloughan was an alcoholic in denial.  Shanahan was cagey,  Cerrato had no backbone or perceivable talent, and Schottenheimer had a huge ego. Gibbs was the only decent fellow to sit in the chair, and produced the only spell of decent results relieving us of the constant turd sandwiches that the carousel of various assholes has been offering us for the last 25 years. 

 

That was no coincidence.  This isn't rocket science.  Find good people that can be trusted, trust them, and all the other pieces will fall into place.  If this is an alien concept to Dan Snyder, hire Joe Gibbs to be an adviser on human matters, and proceed.  

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elkabong82

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Absolutely not. I want Bruce gone, so this isn't a one or the other thing.

 

Facts are facts. McCloughan drank on the job despite already losign 2 jobs because of it. He straight up disappeared right when free agency was about to start. His drafting here had mixed results, his free agency acquistions mostly mediocre or poor. 

 

Would much rather start fresh at GM. Honestly would really prefer Allen fired, Schaeffer takes over as President and he hires a GM.

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Paul Cumberland

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4 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Am I the only one anxiously awaiting any leaks from the hearing today?  I've been to google and searched Scot McCloughan several times today to no avail.  I need some tweets from anonymous sources or something soon, I'm fiending.

 

This just came out....

 

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...  :)

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BurgundyBooger

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9 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson and Kirk Cousins were great picks.  Going with Trent over Okung ended up smart.  Kerrigan has been very good but they could have gotten Watt.   Morris was good for a spell.   But if you go through the drafts lots and lots of misses. He matched up to his rep in Denver -- keen eye for talent on offense but struggled finding and developing talent on defense. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/draft.htm

Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2013 2 David Amerson 51 DB 2017 0 0 4 18 68                       8   North Carolina St.
2013 3 Jordan Reed 85 TE 2017 0 1 1 19 52           1 18 0 275 2813 22     Florida
2013 4 Phillip Thomas 119 DB 2014 0 0 0 2 8                           Fresno St.
2013 5 Chris Thompson 154 RB 2017 0 0 0 8 45           170 878 5 129 1126 9     Florida St.
2013 5 Brandon Jenkins 162 DE 2013 0 0 0 0 5                           Florida St.
2013 6 Bacarri Rambo 191 DB 2016 0 0 1 8 41                       4 2.0 Georgia
2013 7 Jawan Jamison 228 RB   0 0 0                               Rutgers
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2012 1 Robert Griffin 2 QB 2016 0 1 2 35 42 766 1210 8983 42 26 275 1670 10 0 0 0     Baylor
2012 3 Josh LeRibeus 71 G 2017 0 0 1 8 42                           SMU
2012 4 Kirk Cousins 102 QB 2017 0 1 3 30 60 1333 2022 15749 96 51 117 359 12           Michigan St.
2012 4 Keenan Robinson 119 LB 2017 0 0 1 16 58                       2 1.5 Texas
2012 5 Adam Gettis 141 G 2016 0 0 0 2 17                           Iowa
2012 6 Alfred Morris 173 RB 2017 0 2 4 30 90           1260 5502 32 57 421 0     Florida Atlantic
2012 6 Tom Compton 193 T 2017 0 0 1 9 70                           South Dakota
2012 7 Richard Crawford 213 DB 2012 0 0 0 1 10                       1   SMU
2012 7 Jordan Bernstine 217 DB 2012 0 0 0 0 1                           Iowa
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2011 1 Ryan Kerrigan 16 DE 2017 0 2 7 43 110                       3 67.5 Purdue
2011 2 Jarvis Jenkins 41 DT 2017 0 0 3 21 84                         7.0 Clemson
2011 3 Leonard Hankerson 79 WR 2015 0 0 0 12 41           2 5 0 107 1408 9     Miami (FL)
2011 4 Roy Helu 105 RB 2015 0 0 0 13 57           272 1171 7 138 1227 4     Nebraska
2011 5 DeJon Gomes 146 DB 2013 0 0 0 5 46                       1   Nebraska
2011 5 Niles Paul 155 WR 2017 0 0 0 5 80           4 10 0 67 856 2     Nebraska
2011 6 Evan Royster 177 RB 2013 0 0 0 4 32           81 416 2 25 180 0     Penn St.
2011 6 Aldrick Robinson 178 WR 2017 0 0 0 9 68           4 10 0 67 1167 8     SMU
2011 7 Brandyn Thompson 213 DB 2011 0 0 0 1 6                           Boise St.
2011 7 Maurice Hurt 217 G 2012 0 0 1 6 21                           Florida
2011 7 Markus White 224 DE 2012 0 0 0 0 5                           Florida St.
2011 7 Chris Neild 253 DT 2013 0 0 0 2 24                         2.0 West Virginia
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2010 1 Trent Williams 4 T 2017 0 5 8 57 107                           Oklahoma
2010 4 Perry Riley 103 LB 2016 0 0 5 30 90                       3 9.5 LSU
2010 6 Dennis Morris 174 RB   0 0 0                               Louisiana Tech
2010 7 Terrence Austin 219 WR 2011 0 0 0 1 18                 15 184 0     UCLA
2010 7 Erik Cook 229 C 2011 0 0 0 1 6                           New Mexico
2010 7 Selvish Capers 231 T 2012 0 0 0 0 3                        

 

 

No GM is perfect. Heck, he wasn't even a GM. Imagine if his full focus was on personnel.

 

I'm not one for would-have/could-have/should-haves but had the QB situation here been stable under his watch, we'd have been in a Super Bowl with the squad he drafted and the squad he could have drafted had he stayed.

 

Say what you want about his character, but Shanahan has forgotten more about football than Gruden knows and Bruce Allen has no business assuming the same personnel responsibilities as someone like Mike once did.

 

Dan once apologized to Charley Casserly for firing him over Norv, maybe he can set aside his ego again and make amends with MS.

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bobandweave

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Fire Bruce Allen, don't think Scot M is a difference maker or really want him back. You can't believe a thing he says, he's always positive about everyone and says whatever it is he thinks people want to hear but would gladly accept Scot returning or hell anyone entering if it means Bruce is out. 

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Skinsinparadise

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4 minutes ago, BurgundyBooger said:

 

No GM is perfect. Heck, he wasn't even a GM. Imagine if his full focus was on personnel.

 

 

The rap on Shanny when he left Denver was the GM Shanny got the head coach Shanny fired.   I'd run with the idea that Shanny being a bad GM is overstated by some -- especially the Denver media.  I don't think he was a bad GM, I think he was mediocre as a GM both here and as Denver.

 

Would I want Shanny as a full time GM?  No way.  Over Bruce, sure.  But Shanny is an offensive genius -- I'd love him as an offensive coordinator type but not as a GM.  I don't really like any HC type acting as a GM aside from Belichick.

 

I agree with the idea that GM's aren't perfect and they have plenty of misses but overall I'd say Shanny's drafts were at best so so.  I thought the 2011 draft was brilliant at the time but wow out of 12 picks, 1 starter?  2 part timers. 

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Skinsinparadise

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20 minutes ago, c slag said:

Did anyone try to help Scot before they fired him 

Like send him to AAA?

Or something like that to help people 

 

 

That's presuming Bruce's version of events was on the money.  According to the WP and some other sources -- alcohol wasn't the driving force in Scot getting canned but it was the excuse they wanted to use.  I guess there is no way to know for sure or like most things there is a lot of grey in the story -- half truths, etc.

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William Barbour

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Only Redskin fans would want to bring back a guy who has a history of losing himself in his illness. Who has now been fired by 3 teams for it. Who filled this roster with a handful of average players and missed on several picks. 

 

I get it. He was cool, and he is loved by the players. Well, so if the Head Coach but the same people wanting Scot back want Jay gone. 

 

I get that Scot was the first real GM in the Snyder era and most of the fans who only know the Snyder era think we missed on something. 

 

 

You have a guy in the front office right now perfectly suited to be a great GM and is commended around the league. 

 

And no...Im not talking about Bruce Allen or Doug Williams. Open your eyes. Stop craving for mediocrity. 

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Really nothing new here, except that it will probably take the NFL a few months to rule on it.  The hearing should last two or three days.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/12/18/hearing-over-scot-mccloughans-grievance-against-redskins-underway/?utm_term=.bfe114e5e434

 

Arbitration hearing. AKA Private, 3rd Party, Not Public. Won't be any records. 

 

We won't be hearing much at all from this. It's a private hearing and the only way we hear anything about the results is if someone speaks out. 

 

There won't be any "unknown sources" on this one. Going to be pretty easy to track down one way or another with the limited crowd present. 

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