RemoveSnyder Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: they still believe they are right and we're all wrong OK_Tattoo_Parlor.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkinsFTW Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Basically, since about 2000 everybody has said that Dan Snyder has no idea how to run an NFL team. He hired a guy who probably did know what he was doing in 2001, also quickly fired him the same year because Dan wasn't having fun anymore. Since then we've watched almost 20 years of various levels of him pretending to not be the one making all the dumb decisions. Yet all we see year after year are marketing decisions, not winning decisions by people who win. Even when hires HOF head coaches, the buffoonery is still present. Reminds me of an interview with Steve Jobs in the 90's talking about Xerox giving away the keys to the entire PC market due to incompetent marketing buffoons who ran the corporation: He even brings up alot of the things we complain about. Not caring about the customers, not having any idea how to turn a winning idea into a winning product. Also grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. Haven't we all said that once or twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 11:12 AM, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I disagree that not many organizations would trade for Alex Smith, overpay home, and give him a contract guaranteed for 4 years. The effective guarantee on the Smith contract was three years $71M. On 1/2/2019 at 11:12 AM, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Hello. Vikings? Lions? Raiders? Broncos? Dolphins? Every team that doesnt have a franchise qb who finds a guy that sorta smells like one overpays. Those first three QBs are better than Alex Smith, easily. Broncos gave Case Keenum two years $36M, a reasonable deal, one we could have done ourselves. Dolphins signed Tannehill to 4 years $77M, but it is quite team friendly in that the year 3 and year 4 base salaries are high and non-guaranteed. So they can get out after two years or three years with little damage. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ryan-tannehill-9818/ Our contract with Alex Smith is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tsailand said: Our contract with Alex Smith is the worst. But at least we only paid Cousins 44M for 2 years beforehand, lol. How much did these 5 years (Cousins2/Smith3) cost the team? Compare that to what Brady makes those 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Tsailand said: Our contract with Alex Smith is the worst. We've got BA and Schaffer, both so called cap and contracts experts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said: How much did these 5 years (Cousins2/Smith3) cost the team? Compare that to what Brady makes those 5 years. 44+71 = 115. Comparing with Brady is dumb because he's deliberately underpaying himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CjSuAvE22 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said: But at least we only paid Cousins 44M for 2 years beforehand, lol. How much did these 5 years (Cousins2/Smith3) cost the team? Compare that to what Brady makes those 5 years. We paid cousins that much in 2016 and 2017 for our own fault somehow they needed to “see more” from him when he should have been signed after 2015 for 18-22 million a year plain amd simple qbs that can play you have to be able to notice quickly and get them signed its what any knowledgeable franchise will do, but not us we had to “see more”....foools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, SkinsFTW said: Basically, since about 2000 everybody has said that Dan Snyder has no idea how to run an NFL team. He hired a guy who probably did know what he was doing in 2001, also quickly fired him the same year because Dan wasn't having fun anymore. Marty was never anything more than a regular season coach in the NFL with his teams choking in the playoffs. And the first thing he did as Redskins coach was alienate the vets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, carex said: Marty was never anything more than a regular season coach in the NFL with his teams choking in the playoffs. And the first thing he did as Redskins coach was alienate the vets Marty is the best coach Snyder's had, with the possible exception of Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tsailand said: Marty is the best coach Snyder's had, with the possible exception of Gibbs. I still would say Shanahan was, but at this point, it's like saying which crumb off the floor tasted the best. Can we get some REAL news finally? Please tell me we don't really have another year of the same clown show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, carex said: Marty was never anything more than a regular season coach in the NFL with his teams choking in the playoffs. Well at least we don't have to worry about going to the playoffs and choking every year. We just choke the 1 time in 5 years we sneak in. Now that's an improvement!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, LetThePointsSoar said: Can we get some REAL news finally? Please tell me we don't really have another year of the same clown show. Sorry, same ring master same circus ---> Insanity "Willingness of others to come here" Ding ding ding we've got a winner ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, SkinsFTW said: Basically, since about 2000 everybody has said that Dan Snyder has no idea how to run an NFL team. He hired a guy who probably did know what he was doing in 2001, also quickly fired him the same year because Dan wasn't having fun anymore. I remember that. Poor Danny's not having fun anymore because one of the few competent individuals he hired in Marty made him change his approach and got rid of Vincent Cerrato. What a whine fest that was - Bruce Smith complaining about training camp etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spjunkies Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Sean Taylor would've made all-pro a few times, but it's still pathetic that we have so few monumental players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Tsailand said: Marty is the best coach Snyder's had, with the possible exception of Gibbs. Norvo the Clown was better - he proved it by taking San Diego further in the playoffs. Amazing how people are so nostalgic for an 8-8 season. Let's not forget Marty could have remained the coach if he agreed to replace Jimmy Raye and allow the Redskins to hire a GM, both of which were absolutely necessary. Those were Dan's conditions for staying, both of which he refused. Those were also conditions for his SD hire, which he accepted. His 2001 draft and his personnel moves were both disasters. In perhaps the best draft ever for WRs (Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, TJ Houshmenzadah), he blew a 1st rounder on Rod Gardner. That's like picking Todd Blackledge over Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Tony Eason, and Ken O'Brien. The only pick in that draft that wasn't a bust was Smoot, and even he was probably overrated. And he gave monster contracts to players like Lockett and his other sycophants who barely deserved a spot on any NFL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, FrFan said: already seen it, already had someone call BS on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Amazing how people are so nostalgic for an 8-8 season. Let's not forget Marty could have remained the coach if he agreed to replace Jimmy Raye and allow the Redskins to hire a GM, both of which were absolutely necessary. According to Spurrier, Skins were set to hire Bobby Beathard, who refused to work with Marty. Then for whatever reason we didn't get Bobby, and basically brought Vinny back as GM. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/09/07/steve-spurrier-knew-exactly-when-the-end-of-his-redskins-tenure-was-coming/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fb196059694f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 If the Redskins do bring in a new President of Football Operations, hope is they either choose someone with a proven track record of success in a front office or a hot up-and-comer. It’s not a great year to hire a head coach with 8 other openings, but it could be an awesome year to hire a front office exec. with no other openings. Examples of preferred targets: Experienced GM: Ozzie Newsome would be ideal. Already friends with Doug. Proven success in the NFL. Only 62. Retiring from Ravens after this year. Played at Alabama (along with much of our roster). Or Up and Comer GM: Eliot Wolf. Currently Assistant GM of the Browns. Comes from the Packers scouting tree. Supposedly adept eye for talent. Not Exciting: Hiring an old coach to run the front office (e.g. Marvin Lewis) Hiring an old GM that underachieved (e.g. Charlie Casserly). Keeping the status quo w/ Bruce. Skins fans have learned their lesson. We need a real Front Office Leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, hail2skins said: According to Spurrier, Skins were set to hire Bobby Beathard, who refused to work with Marty. Then for whatever reason we didn't get Bobby, and basically brought Vinny back as GM. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/09/07/steve-spurrier-knew-exactly-when-the-end-of-his-redskins-tenure-was-coming/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fb196059694f The Beathard fiasco still pisses me off! After offering $5million/year to Spurrier, Dan lowballs Beathard at 500k, which he accepts, but when Beathard's agent tried to negotiate extra incentive bonuses for playoff wins, probowl appearances, Dan's negotiator refuses to budge, and Dan subsequently refuses to return Beathard's calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Riggo-toni said: The Beathard fiasco still pisses me off! After offering $5million/year to Spurrier, Dan lowballs Beathard at 500k, which he accepts, but when Beathard's agent tried to negotiate extra incentive bonuses for playoff wins, probowl appearances, Dan's negotiator refuses to budge, and Dan subsequently refuses to return Beathard's calls. This illustrates why a good owner is crucial to building a winner. Dan staying out of football decisions is one thing, but it doesn't solve the larger problem. We NEED the owner to be a great organization builder. He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, carex said: already seen it, already had someone call BS on it According to PFR Matt Turk was the last All-Pro back in 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I think you need a Gibbs like personality. The impression I got about Gibbs with Dan is they were both very friendly but Gibbs knew how to talk to him where Dan felt included and Gibbs still got what he wanted. The opposite extreme like someone like Marty who would just probably just tell Dan off -- that doesn't fly. So we need to get lucky and find a dude who is both good at his job and also is a master at playing Dan. Bruce is described by just about everyone as a master at playing Dan -- now that wouldn't be a bad thing if he had other attributes going for him but alas he doesn't IMO have much. The one common narrative that I keep hearing is Vinny was Dan's stooge especially when Gibbs wasn't the HC. Bruce on the other hand isn't Dan's stooge like Vinny was and the dude is a power hungry politician behind the scenes. Combining Liz Clark's narrative from a radio interview with another narrative it paints the picture that Bruce is living the dream because he has more power at Redskins Park than he ever had in his prior two jobs and can play the role of an owner in one sense by how he represents Dan in league meetings -- with Bruce sometimes even going to these meetings without Dan. And Bruce gets a fat salary to boot. So Bruce is living large money wise and power wise. And if anyone in that building threatens the dude's fiefdom, he will run over them like a Mack Track. And Dan and Bruce go drinking with each other telling each other how great they are. Or so is the vibe I get. So true on every level. Your insight into this fiasco is gospel. Spot on accuracy of how Bruce has trashed this entire organization from top to bottom, and I'd love to see Snyder reading some of your posts because it would be an eye-opener to him in so many ways. Now, Gibbs, yes I can see how he would have a huge effect on Snyder, mostly because of how Snyder views Gibbs, as we all do, as a football genius who knows how to bring out the best in players and coaches through hard work and preparation. The sad thing is, there is no one out there even remotely close to affecting Snyder the way Gibbs could; at least no one I know of. On that same idea, there IS someone [ again no one I know of ] who has a strong and pointed view of how to run an organization. It would have to be someone who has an ability to 'wedge' himself between Snyder and Allen and drive them apart. The key goal is to remove Bruce because we know Snyder isn't going anywhere soon, so this person would have to do it openly, maybe even by way of leaks to the press, to paint Allen as the person holding this team back. Bruce Allen is a cancer to this team, and the longer he has his power the longer and more difficult it will be to un-do his messes. But there just HAS to be someone out there, who has a set, who will have no problem swinging them when needed to get Snyder on the same page, but moreso to drive that cancerous growth out of the Redskins organization once and for all. It is so inflamingly irritating that Snyder is too wrapped up in Bruce to see things the way they really are. Money doesn't buy intelligence, in Dan's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, FrFan said: According to PFR Matt Turk was the last All-Pro back in 1996 not what I meant. A list of players we have had over that period means them not naming any Skins to it is BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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