Llevron Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 27 minutes ago, youngchew said: Can only speak for myself as far as being willing to compromise. I said in a post earlier this morning that "unlike most gun enthusiasts, I would be willing to compromise." I am well aware that most gun owners are stubborn. As far as the "you people are twisted" comment as if you know me, I'll just give that a "LOL." I dont mean to call you twisted. But I do think the view point that you share of 'I WANT my guns so there for I do not support a ban' pretty ****ing twisted. And I know that isnt much of an apology so im sorry if I came off the wrong way. You are very willing to compromise I see and thats what we need more of. I aint got a problem with that. We may never agree fully but thats basically the definition of a compromise. And its a hell of a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: If you ban assault weapons, you make owning one a crime. Owners have to choose between forfeiting them or being a criminal gun owner. In the past, I'd say this was a big issue for me. Not any longer. Unfortunately, the idiots ruin everything for the responsible people. If it comes to having to give up mine, I'll do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 We can put restrictions on gun ownership. We used to have a law limiting magazine size and outlawing assault rifles, until Bush 43. Since then, we've had these mass shootings. There is a correlation, plain as day. We have a Constitutional right to vote and Republicans constantly put restrictions on that right. We need to start comparing these rights and linking them together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: So earlier when you said that the gun control crowd has to change their attitude because they want to ban everything, do they really or is that just an NRA fabrication? There is a wing of the gun control crowd that legitimately wants an outright ban on guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Popeman38 said: There is a wing of the gun control crowd that legitimately wants an outright ban on guns. I’m part of that wing - but I realise that’s not possible and I don’t advocate that as a policy response. It’s not on the table. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: If you ban assault weapons, you make owning one a crime. Owners have to choose between forfeiting them or being a criminal gun owner. You also make selling them a crime. You also make manufacturing them a crime. I have no doubt that gun people will choose their guns over not wanting to engage in criminal conduct, but businesses (that are profitable without assault weapons, just less so) will not subject themselves to that liability. The people that own these companies are not gun advocates fighting the good fight for freedom. They are private equity companies fighting for profits. Breaking the law is usually bad for business if you get caught. For example, Sturm Ruger (who manufactures a line of ARs) is one of the largest gun companies in the US. They are publicly traded and largely owned by Cerberus Capital Management (who also owns Avon and Staples). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, codeorama said: In the past, I'd say this was a big issue for me. Not any longer. Unfortunately, the idiots ruin everything for the responsible people. If it comes to having to give up mine, I'll do so. And this is wrong. Remember when the quote being bandied about on this board about rights was used when the 1st/4th Amendment was being infringed upon: Quote Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Why is that not applicable to the 2nd Amendment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: There is a wing of the gun control crowd that legitimately wants an outright ban on guns. Obviously there are some people who believe that. Seems to me that we're taking a very small percentage of people, drawing a circle around them, and assigning their extreme beliefs to the opposing side as counter to the very real extreme beliefs of the gun rights crowd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: We can put restrictions on gun ownership. We used to have a law limiting magazine size and outlawing assault rifles, until Bush 43. Since then, we've had these mass shootings. There is a correlation, plain as day. We have a Constitutional right to vote and Republicans constantly put restrictions on that right. We need to start comparing these rights and linking them together. Thanks for the constructive dialogue and partisan shilling. Really adds to the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Dan T. said: This is really a dickish response to a heartfelt post. Don't know if you meant it to come across that way, but that's how it did. Sorry you feel that way. My point should be clear though. Medicate. No dickish intent. I try my best to put myself in situations where I do not have to typically repeat myself. Medicated folks or unstable folks ( which was part of that post)...always say the same thing, over and over, as if you didn't understand the first go around. That is a grown woman. She can defend her words. Are you thinking she needs protection from you or @TryTheBeal! ? Not to mention, I put my captain cape away in the college years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: And this is wrong. Remember when the quote being bandied about on this board about rights was used when the 1st/4th Amendment was being infringed upon: Why is that not applicable to the 2nd Amendment? Because owning an AR isn't an essential Liberty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Obviously there are some people who believe that. Seems to me that we're taking a very small percentage of people, drawing a circle around them, and assigning their extreme beliefs to the opposing side as counter to the very real extreme beliefs of the gun rights crowd. Gun rights? Or gun lobby? The NRA lobbies on behalf of members. Doesn't mean they represent the beliefs of the members. What other gun rights lobby is there that you know will fight for your rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I am super liberal and I own a gun, and am considering buying a shotgun. I will after I move to Texas. I come from a hunting family, both sides. Hunting for food. My maternal grandfather and uncle were taxidermists. Guns will always be part of American life. That doesn't mean that we can't have restrictions. My goodness, this guy had 59 guns between the hotel and his home in Mesquite, not sure what's in Reno house. Who the **** needs 59 guns? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Because owning an AR isn't an essential Liberty? The British may still be coming. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Popeman38 said: Gun rights? Or gun lobby? The NRA lobbies on behalf of members. Doesn't mean they represent the beliefs of the members. What other gun rights lobby is there that you know will fight for your rights? The NRA tells their members to hold extreme beliefs, and so they do. The NRA didn't fight for their member's belief that Obama was coming to take their guns. They made that **** up and lied to their membership about it for 8 years so that a vulnerable population who is easily misled would go out and buy more guns. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Just now, LadySkinsFan said: I am super liberal and I own a gun, and am considering buying a shotgun. I will after I move to Texas. I come from a hunting family, both sides. Hunting for food. My maternal grandfather and uncle were taxidermists. Guns will always be part of American life. That doesn't mean that we can't have restrictions. My goodness, this guy had 59 guns between the hotel and his home in Mesquite, not sure what's in Reno house. Who the **** needs 59 guns? Who needs to protest 59 times in a year? Who needs to get more than one abortion? Who needs to vote in every election? Needs is an individually determined limit. Should the government get to decide how many is too many? This is why this debate gets tricky. You deem an AR to be unnecessary and therefore should be banned. If I deem an AR to be necessary can I therefore deem it not need to be banned? I am 100% in favor of responsible gun control. First step is overhauling existing law. Get rid of the 1,598 individual laws and let's start with federal law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Who the **** needs 59 guns? By that same token, who needs more than one pet ? Edited October 3, 2017 by Kosher Ham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: Thanks for the constructive dialogue and partisan shilling. Really adds to the discussion. I mean she makes a point though doesnt she? If we had those restrictions before, and then once we got rid of them the violence went up a level, then they where obviously working and need to be reenacted, right? I say this not having time to verify the claims myself, yet, so im relying on you guys for this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: The British may still be coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, MartinC said: So why are there so many mass killings in the US compared to other wealthy advanced democracies? Heck even compared to pretty much anywhere. It it seems that in other countries with much lower public ownership of guns ‘crazies’ are not switching to use of semtex or chemical weapons to carry out mass murder. In general because they control the populace more, would need specific countries for detail. The celebrity factor/cult worship of them here is a factor....that free press thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Llevron said: I mean she makes a point though doesnt she? If we had those restrictions before, and then once we got rid of them the violence went up a level, then they where obviously working and need to be reenacted, right? I say this not having time to verify the claims myself, yet, so im relying on you guys for this info. Except the experts can't claim that: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/ And she can make a point without partisan shilling (it's not the first time she slams a political party when the discussio is going on without any real partisan slant). Edited October 3, 2017 by Popeman38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kosher Ham said: By that same token, who needs more than one pet ? Not "more than one." She said 59. Who needs 59 pets? This is generally referred to as "hoarding" and is often seen as a sign of mental health problems. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: Except the experts can't claim that: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/ Gonna keep reading this but I do note early that they are discussing "Crime" and not acts of terror or mass shootings. I would personally see the difference there as "crime" can end up being alot of things. And robbing a bank is not what im trying to stop, yet. but i gotta keep reading. Im supposed to be working too which is way less fun than arguing with you guys lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Not "more than one." She said 59. Who needs 59 pets? This is generally referred to as "hoarding" and is often seen as a sign of mental health problems. I realize that. So what is the point of having a dresser ? Shouldn't a closet get the job done ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: The British may still be coming. We are already here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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