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On 10/4/2019 at 11:30 AM, mcsluggo said:

 

this is a well timed bump of this thread....  i got notification this week that i owe an additional $4k on my federal taxes....... 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been told taxes are not a problem since it means you are making more money.

 

Or something like that. 🐿️

 

I didn't buy it either.

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10 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Actual conservatism isn’t about lower taxes, it’s about smaller government which means less spending which means lower taxes.

 

Disagree.  

 

Actual conservatism means repeating the above slogans over and over, as code words for cutting support for poor people.  It's been that way for the entire Republican Party, for all of my lifetime.  

 

I'm willing to admit that maybe there was a time when the Republican Party meant something different.  But you'd have to go back to Eisenhower (if not further), to find it.  

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this incorporates all levels of taxation (not just federal taxes), and this is ****ing disgraceful.   But if you point it out, GOPPERs will clutch their pearls and whimper about "class warfare"

^^^^^^^  THIS  ^^^^^^^ is ****ing class warfare you disingenuous disgusting turds.

 

 

 

full article at link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-time-history-us-billionaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/?fbclid=IwAR0g40meXLW5jpKPDyCU69OEinXxNC3bJ34Ys0TVePvfzO4YENJT_qluMhw

 

 

 

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I don't think I can recall a time the GOP was actually about "less government" in the modern era. (If ever?)

 

If they were honest, they would simply try and sell the argument that we should live in a winner(s) take all society and whoever can't afford to get by should blame themselves.

 

However that would never fly, so they come up with all sorts of slogans and phrases to convince people why they (the wealthy) should continually get more and more tax cuts.

 

It's about money. It has always been about money. The wealthy have most of it, and they want to keep even more of it. The only way that happens is to continue to cut their taxes which forces cuts to public/social programs that they don't have any need for.   When it comes to economic policy (and some social policies as well) every single issue has always and will always be about ways for the wealthy to contribute less and less to society as a whole and build their personal fortunes.  It is always masked as something else. 

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the REALLY cute part of that graph is the Bottom 50% tax rates RISING during the reagan-tax-cut-80s, while the wealthy dropped from 47ish% to 32ish%    

 

 

^^^^^^ THAT ^^^^^^  IS ****ING CLASS WARFARE

 

 

the 2017 minor-little-trimmings for the bottom 80% were all temporary, while the mega-cuts for the uuber wealthy were all permanent.....  what do you think this graph is going to look like in the next 3-to-10 years?

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This is why money in politics is the ultimate barrier to honest debate & discussion.  On that front, the country has continually been going in the wrong direction, allowing for more of it, and increasingly allowing it to be anonymous and untraceable. 

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2 hours ago, mcsluggo said:

JA2PZ6DJBFC57D5HWYGFCIA57Q.png

 

 

 

 

this incorporates all levels of taxation (not just federal taxes), and this is ****ing disgraceful.   But if you point it out, GOPPERs will clutch their pearls and whimper about "class warfare"

^^^^^^^  THIS  ^^^^^^^ is ****ing class warfare you disingenuous disgusting turds.

 

 

 

full article at link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-time-history-us-billionaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/?fbclid=IwAR0g40meXLW5jpKPDyCU69OEinXxNC3bJ34Ys0TVePvfzO4YENJT_qluMhw

 

 

 


The wealthy have been engaged in class warfare for over 40 years. This is why young people are turning to socialism.

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16 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:


The wealthy have been engaged in class warfare for over 40 years. This is why young people are turning to socialism.

 

The right-wing philosophy on economics has been dragged so far out of whack that Dems simply trying to restore some of the taxes on wealthy is described as "socialism"  people are abandoning critical thinking and instead falling for boogeyman terminology. 

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17 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

The right-wing philosophy on economics has been dragged so far out of whack that Dems simply trying to restore some of the taxes on wealthy is described as "socialism"  people are abandoning critical thinking and instead falling for boogeyman terminology. 

 

They did the same thing to FDR when he advanced the New Deal.

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24 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

The right-wing philosophy on economics has been dragged so far out of whack that Dems simply trying to restore some of the taxes on wealthy is described as "socialism"  people are abandoning critical thinking and instead falling for boogeyman terminology. 

 

It's been a standard campaign commercial for the last several elections:  "Congressman Lardbutt voted to raise taxes 871 times".  

 

Do some digging, and the way they get their "statistic" is they count every proposal that would have increased revenues, every vote against a tax cut, every vote to allow a scheduled tax cut to expire, or any tax cut that isn't as big as what the Republicans are proposing at the time.  And they count every vote on that bill.  The vote to introduce it,  The vote to send it to the first committee.  The vote to send it to the second committee. Every vote on every amendment to the bill.  The vote to bring it to the floor.  And then they just add some more to the count.  

 

I've also seen Republicans already announcing it.  "If you elect the Democrats, they're going to raise taxes.  And the economy will get worse."  I'm thinking "Yeah, it's possible.  Somebody's got to do something about the deficit you intentionally created."

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Yeah. Young people don’t even want socialism.  They want increased taxes on the population who is able to afford it in order to maintain social programs that benefit the nation as a whole.

 

That isn’t socialism.

 

Its absolutely insane that people call taxpayer funded programs, like the military, or public school, or fire departments socialism.

 

Privatization is killing us.

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On 10/9/2019 at 4:13 PM, BenningRoadSkin said:

The wealthy have been engaged in class warfare for over 40 years. This is why young people are turning to socialism.

Yeah, I don’t think middle aged and older people realize the degree to which the younger generations have been treated like the ugly chick in the porno. I think the shift left will take many by surprise, just as Tя☭mp’s win did. It’s probably another 8 or so years away though.

 

On 10/9/2019 at 4:30 PM, NoCalMike said:

The right-wing philosophy on economics has been dragged so far out of whack that Dems simply trying to restore some of the taxes on wealthy is described as "socialism"  people are abandoning critical thinking and instead falling for boogeyman terminology. 

And don’t forget that old buggaboo about wealth redistribution. The wealthy actually love wealth redistribution, just as long as it’s going up, not down. Enjoy your serfdom ‘Muricuh!

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13 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I thought they already were.

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The lobbyists targeted a pair of major new taxes that were supposed to raise hundreds of billions of dollars from companies that had been avoiding taxes in part by claiming their profits were earned outside the United States.

 

The blitz was led by a cross section of the world’s largest companies, including Anheuser-Busch, Credit Suisse, General Electric, United Technologies, Barclays, Coca-Cola, Bank of America, UBS, IBM, Kraft Heinz, Kimberly-Clark, News Corporation, Chubb, ConocoPhillips, HSBC and the American International Group.

 

Thanks in part to the chaotic manner in which the bill was rushed through Congress — a situation that gave the Treasury Department extra latitude to interpret a law that was, by all accounts, sloppily written — the corporate lobbying campaign was a resounding success.

 

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