NoCalMike Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 When I see videos like this: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/03/21/moderate-democrats-ocasio-cortez-biden-carroll-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn It is what worries me about the 2020 election. These people supposedly switched from being Obama voters to Trump voters based on..........? Assuming they were satisfied with the job Obama did (relatively) it boggles my mind why they would switch to Trump considering Hillary was pretty much the same corporate "middle of the road" Democrat that Obama was. I wish the segment would have focused more on what made them switch to Trump in the first place, because the entire segment comes off as disingenuous. Also, they throw out the term "socialism" with such tepidness and uncertainty that it comes off as learned behavior rather than them actually being sure of what they are talking about. Oh and the part where the woman says she supports the wall. That puts her in the minority of the country alone. Bang up job, CNN. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Maybe the people who voted trump after voting obama really didn’t like clinton on a personal level. AOC has a better personality than trump ever did. I’m not a big fan of socialism but when AOC talks a lot of her arguments are peruasive, and she makes arguments when she talks, instead of all the stupid superlatives Clinton gave us. I’m with her? LOL. AOC is nothing like Clinton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Maybe the people who voted trump after voting obama really didn’t like clinton on a personal level. Maybe. Although I doubt any of them knew HRC on a personal level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Maybe. Although I doubt any of them knew HRC on a personal level. I mean, theres truely knowing someone and then basing your opinions on them based on what you see. And what you saw was a lot of “you owe it me” arrogance, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 They're not moderate voters imo. Old lady said she loves the wall yet lives in NE Penn. Ol boy said basically ya cant do anything about climate change because its a job killer. Last dude used a dirty word he prolly doesn't even understand. Socialism. Moderate voters? They sound like a lot of others in America who have fallen for the rights propaganda. Seriously lady you live in NE Pennsylvania and love the wall idea. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 People who switched parties to vote for Trump? How many people are we talking here? And how long were they democrats before? And how many Rs switched parties in 2016? These people aren't worth discussing IMO. Even though the numbers are insignificanty small I'll admit more people seemed to switch to R in 2016 then vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I also find it peculiar that when it comes to these so-called "moderate voters" they have no issue giving the GOP (Trump) leeway to move way to the right. The entire narrative going into 2020 is "look at how left the Dems have gone.....omg the progressives are coming" yet little to nothing about how Trump has embraced some of the more crazy right-wing platitudes and personalities for his administration. So to me it comes off as pretty biased reporting to say that if the Dems do anything to inch off the "Corporate middle" they are suddenly too extreme. Not to mention things like Medicare for All, raising minimum wage etc etc etc.....poll well with *EVERYONE* Socialism has just become the latest strawman that even the supposed "liberal media networks" have begun using. They've done just as much to normalize the nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I mean, theres truely knowing someone and then basing your opinions on them based on what you see. And what you saw was a lot of “you owe it me” arrogance, imo. What exactly could HRC have done to garner your vote? I suspect nothing if you're brutally honest, right? So I'm not sure what the problem is. I suspect her "arrogance" is often rooted in being one of the smartest persons in the room and not taking a back seat to anyone. I'm not sure what you would want us to say when America chooses the mental midget conman over her? Other than Americans deserve the POTUS we ended up with (as punishment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: I suspect her "arrogance" is often rooted in being one of the smartest persons in the room and not taking a back seat to anyone. I'm not sure what you would want us to say when America choses the mental midget conman over her? Other than Americans deserve the POTUS we ended up with (as punishment). Because Trump doesn't come off as Arrogant. This is really some bizarro world stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatBuzz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: What exactly could HRC have done to garner your vote? I suspect nothing if you're brutally honest, right? So I'm not sure what the problem is. For me, a lot of it was not releasing her speech transcripts to the banks or whatever. Bernie did an excellent job of beating her up on that in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Hersh said: It’s an absurd sentence either way He also has his facts wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: For me, a lot of it was not releasing her speech transcripts to the banks or whatever. Bernie did an excellent job of beating her up on that in my opinion. So had she done that you'd have voted for her instead of Trump? Are you being a 1 issue voter again? 😁 22 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: He also has his facts wrong. Meh. Facts are subjective in 2019. They have been for at least 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: So had she done that you'd have voted for her instead of Trump? Are you being a 1 issue voter again? 😁 Well I didn't vote Trump, I voted 3rd party. It would have depended on what the speeches said. At the time, probably not. But that is also without the hindsight knowledge of knowing she wouldn't win. I think the fact everyone KNEW she would win, too many people took that for granted. But in the magical world where I was casting the deciding vote and her speeches weren't what Bernie and GOP were insinuating they were, I'd have voted for her because that would have cast doubt on so much of what they were knocking her for (being in bed with Wall St.) Her not releasing them made me very suspicious of what she had said to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: What exactly could HRC have done to garner your vote? I suspect nothing if you're brutally honest, right? So I'm not sure what the problem is. Yes, there is nothing she could have done to garner my vote. She’s been a terrible person since the 1990s... 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: I'm not sure what you would want us to say when America chooses the mental midget conman over her? Other than Americans deserve the POTUS we ended up with (as punishment). ...gulp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreaterbuzzette Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Well I didn't vote Trump, I voted 3rd party. It would have depended on what the speeches said. At the time, probably not. But that is also without the hindsight knowledge of knowing she wouldn't win. I think the fact everyone KNEW she would win, too many people took that for granted. But in the magical world where I was casting the deciding vote and her speeches weren't what Bernie and GOP were insinuating they were, I'd have voted for her because that would have cast doubt on so much of what they were knocking her for (being in bed with Wall St.) Her not releasing them made me very suspicious of what she had said to them. Never thought about that before. I really wonder if I would have voted HRC if I thought Trump winning was actually a possibility. I dont recall.....but I think it was write in, not 3rd party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, thegreaterbuzzette said: .but I think it was write in, not 3rd party. For me or you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreaterbuzzette Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, TheGreatBuzz said: For me or you? I'm pretty sure we both told each other we had matching votes. But what you do in the poll is your secret to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, thegreaterbuzzette said: I'm pretty sure we both told each other we had matching votes. But what you do in the poll is your secret to tell. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I went Libertarian. I remember my argument was since Trump was going to lose anyways, I wanted to help a 3rd party reach the threshold for federal money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said: He also has his facts wrong. You might actually be right ....for once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I remember my argument was since Trump was going to lose anyways, I wanted to help a 3rd party reach the threshold for federal money. I understand the matching federal funds being an incentive for voting third party. Unfortunately I remember what the Reform party ended up being after receiving theirs. Talk about a disaster. I think its better to try and push an established party to ones views though. Whether its a Bernie or even Pat Buchanan. Its more effective imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 10:05 PM, Hersh said: Alright, so let's get this train back on the tracks. Any new Dems entering the race in the next few weeks besides Biden or have we reached the point of this is the field? No one major that will have a shot. They are others who may jump in, but they likely won't go far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 13 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Yes, there is nothing she could have done to garner my vote. She’s been a terrible person since the 1990s... ...gulp So a somewhat unethical person WHO KNOWS HOW THE WORLD WORKS couldn't get your vote, but a totally unethical one with no knowledge about anything did. 'Nuff said. 12 hours ago, visionary said: The man is golden. I hope enough people realize it in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Trump definitely knows how the world works. He exploits that knowledge for his own personal gain. He was able to convince people to vote for him. He was ble to play the electoral college like a fiddle. He was able to make hundreds of millions of dollars. He was able to skirt the legal system. He is able to lie right to people’s faces and have them eat it up. He is able to trash american heros and spout off hate-speech and his party trembles in fear and praises him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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