Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Force1958 said: I'm convinced Trump will be investigated every day for the rest of his life Hey man, we can’t help it that the man you are so full of respect for is a proven liar, conman, and cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Force1958 said: irregardless Not a real word. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 So I was listening to this weeks Political Persuasions podcast (hosted by Mike O'Meara of DC radio fame and former CNN correspondent Chris Frates) who had former RNC chair Michael Steele on as a guest. Give it a listen: https://politicalpersuasions.com/index.php/2019/03/07/56-michael-steele/ (Political Persuasions does a new podcast every Thursday for any interested, I fully endorse and it's basically the only political opinion radio that I listen to) Michael Steele brought up a great point. The 2020 election is much more important than the 2016 election. If Trump wins again, then it essentially means that he's given carte blanche to do whatever he wants. It will confirm that he can do exactly ANYTHING he wants and there will be no repercussions. Why? Because the American people voted it as so. This election is not only a check on Trump as a whole, but a check on the actual power of the executive branch and what is/isn't legal. Michael Steele also said that the Republican party will never ever be the same if Trump wins 2020 (even may not as it stands). He thinks that Trump may even change the name of the party if he wins. For a conservative who's just trying to weather the Trump storm, he doesn't seem very hopeful. Lots of good and salient points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Klobuchar trying to own being a freaking abusive weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 20 hours ago, visionary said: Im starting to think Bernie might easily take the nomination. I’d be ok with him except for his age especially if he takes a solid VP. Optics are going to hurt him going against Trump tho. For how bad trump looks 24/7, our counter would be a guy that always looks like a disgraced nuclear physicist a few weeks away from strapping a time machine into a DeLorean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JCB Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Weird poll. If “break rules” is larded into the fighter position, I’d think that would certainly skew the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Im starting to think Bernie might easily take the nomination. I’d be ok with him except for his age especially if he takes a solid VP. Optics are going to hurt him going against Trump tho. For how bad trump looks 24/7, our counter would be a guy that always looks like a disgraced nuclear physicist a few weeks away from strapping a time machine into a DeLorean. Bernie could win the nomination. He would then proceed to lose the election in a landslide. A majority of Americans will not vote for a Socialist in 2020; especially against Trump. Bernie would get crushed by the GOP/Trump campaign. People may not vote for Trump but they won't be voting for Bernie either. Whatever younger voters Bernie gets, would be offset by people not voting for him. I could definitely see a 3rd party run, if Bernie is the Democratic nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 9:17 AM, Force1958 said: I'm convinced Trump will be investigated every day for the rest of his life, irregardless of whether he wins re-election or not. If it's not the Russia thing, or the porn star thing, or his real estate dealing, his foundation, his tax's, they'll find something to investigate. .. You do know Trump was under investigation before being elected. Once elected, he fired a bunch of U.S. attorneys and the investigation against him was ended. If he hadn't been elected, he probably would'be been on trial and possibly convicted. The light is now being shined on his lifetime of shady activities. Some of it may be criminal. Whenever he's done being President; the SDNY will be going after him for his lifetime of crimes. He's being investigated because he's earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/4/2019 at 8:21 AM, Force1958 said: Thanks, glad to be back. Jumbo and I had a chat about everything and we're cool now. I responded to somebody else about the silent majority wording a few mins ago. What I'm getting at is based on how the electoral college is setup now. A lot of the Trump supporters do not admit it to anybody, friends, family, and especially to somebody they don't know who's asking questions. As evidenced by the polls leading up to the election in 2016, they stayed hidden until the day of the actual election. In my original comment I should have said "the silent majority as it relates to the electoral college". Trump would have campaigned differently if we'd have used the popular vote to decide the President back in 2016 (and not the EC) and I believe he would have still won. I'll give you one point. The individual state by state polls didn't reflect that Trump was going to win those states. A silent majority implies a lot of people. Trump's margin of victory in some states were less than 2%; just a bare majority and not some huge silent majority like say Ohio. His margin was 9%. For 2020, he's still the favorite. I know many feel it's the other way around, the Dem is the favorite. Given the current state of the race and the Democrats in general; I would say Trump is the favorite. The Dems leftward turn may not work against Trump in 2020. There's plenty of people who will believe the GOP/TRump attacks on the Dems. Enough people to give Trump an electoral college win again. The Dems need a candidate than can not only keep the base excited and motivated to vote but also be able to hit Trump back and land some knockout blows. There's some candidates that definitely excite but I don't think they can knockout Trump. Uncle Joe could probably knockout Trump but he wouldn't excite the base. At the moment, I still see Trump winning and the GOP retaking the house and each day just strengthens that belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Force1958 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: You do know Trump was under investigation before being elected. Once elected, he fired a bunch of U.S. attorneys and the investigation against him was ended. If he hadn't been elected, he probably would'be been on trial and possibly convicted. The light is now being shined on his lifetime of shady activities. Some of it may be criminal. Whenever he's done being President; the SDNY will be going after him for his lifetime of crimes. He's being investigated because he's earned it. Nope, didn't realize he was under investigation before the election. What was it for? I know the college courses mess ended, but what else was he being investigated for? As long as he fulfills the majority of his promises I'll be ok with it. We have the justices in place, hopefully a 3rd soon, the economy is the best its been in years (my IRA will attest to that), and he's trying to get us into better positions with other countries. If I were a Democrat I'd be worried due to people like AOC and Omar. They're taking things to a new level we haven't seen before. I'm not sure Pelosi and Schumer know how to handle them yet. This was quite evident with the passing of the "hate" legislation last week. It should have named Omar specifically but they chickened out. Sad. On 3/8/2019 at 5:49 PM, skinsmarydu said: Not a real word. 😉 I know, i have a real bad habit with that one...😀 On 3/8/2019 at 5:39 PM, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Hey man, we can’t help it that the man you are so full of respect for is a proven liar, conman, and cheat. I see what you did there, hahahahaha!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 12:24 PM, Momma There Goes That Man said: Imagine that, criminals being investigated for crimes. It's a funny world... If we just look at the 2016 election, and the campaigning leading up to it, we'd have seen "some" people commit crimes who weren't even charged. One still walks the earth right now totally oblivious to what was done. I know one thing, I admire Bernie for not calling "her" out and just taking it like a man. The problem is "the woman" is still in the public eye and running her mouth at every opportunity. On 3/8/2019 at 10:21 AM, PleaseBlitz said: Me too, as he should. Hillary too!! Of the Dems that are in the running now, who are you all most interested in? If Biden does decide to run will you vote for him over all the rest? Inquiring minds really want to know. I'm taking a serious look at them and haven't made up my mind yet (I'm pretending I'm a Democrat just for the purposes of this exercise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Smarten up Beto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Force1958 said: Of the Dems that are in the running now, who are you all most interested in? If Biden does decide to run will you vote for him over all the rest? Inquiring minds really want to know. I'm taking a serious look at them and haven't made up my mind yet (I'm pretending I'm a Democrat just for the purposes of this exercise). None of them. They’re all far too right leaning for my tastes. Maybe AOC if she can get a little further away from center. The ideal ticket is Clinton / Smollett though. I really don’t care about policy or the good of the country or morals & principals. I just want to pwn the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The more I hear from Pete Buttigieg, the more I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Iowa campaigning hard to convince us we shouldn’t care what they think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 The issue with Sanders is that he's just going to end up getting more voters in states where Dems would win anyway. Most of the young liberal intellectual types who will vote for him are in already pro Dem/pro lib states. I don't see Sanders doing well in the more 50/50 states that cost the Dems last time, like Michigan or Pennsylvania. That's where we need a Biden type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 20 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: None of them. They’re all far too right leaning for my tastes. Maybe AOC if she can get a little further away from center. The ideal ticket is Clinton / Smollett though. I really don’t care about policy or the good of the country or morals & principals. I just want to pwn the GOP. ooooooookkkkkkkk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 15 hours ago, Warhead36 said: The issue with Sanders is that he's just going to end up getting more voters in states where Dems would win anyway. Most of the young liberal intellectual types who will vote for him are in already pro Dem/pro lib states. I don't see Sanders doing well in the more 50/50 states that cost the Dems last time, like Michigan or Pennsylvania. That's where we need a Biden type. One day there will be a left-leaning Democrat who can be successful at messaging and not succumb to the labels they are given by the GOP which in turn makes them abandon half of what they are campaigning on. We've been over this before but for all the "I would never vote for a socialist" stuff being said, the same people sure as hell seem to support the actual policy positions of said "socialists" It is just more an example of people being tuned out or just being fed misinformation. Basically the right-wing's version of identity politics. Trump supporters sure enough cheered extra hard when Trump was campaigning on "the gov't should take care of health care" For the 2020 election specifically, I really don't care who the nominee is. Any of them are better than a career criminal turned reality TV host turned President. However in the future, as the Democrats as a party begin to shift, they need to get their messaging down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Like 3 faces I don't recognize. Could be the basis of an online quiz. Is this a real Democratic primary candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I am not listening to any polls right now. Just way too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: One day there will be a left-leaning Democrat who can be successful at messaging and not succumb to the labels they are given by the GOP which in turn makes them abandon half of what they are campaigning on. We've been over this before but for all the "I would never vote for a socialist" stuff being said, the same people sure as hell seem to support the actual policy positions of said "socialists" It is just more an example of people being tuned out or just being fed misinformation. Basically the right-wing's version of identity politics. Trump supporters sure enough cheered extra hard when Trump was campaigning on "the gov't should take care of health care" I'd have agreed with that in the past, but now there are dems who do embrace some socialist ideas (some of which I've grown open to recently). Now you have a split - the moderate traditional dems and the democratic socialists. I think it may be easier for a moderate to distinguish themselves with a further left candidate competing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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