Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[Llevron]

2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Then you should probably buy some ear muffs.

 

I guess it will be blaming others again.  If the Dems actually nominate a self-described socialist, it’s at least partly on them.

 

I mean if you are the dems now what do you do? I dont see how they come out of this situation without pissing off many voters. 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

20 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I mean if you are the dems now what do you do? I dont see how they come out of this situation without pissing off many voters. 

I don’t know.  But yelling at others because they painted them self into a corner isn’t exactly going to help them with the masses either.  They should have handled this years ago.  This whole blaming others without holding themselves accountable for the candidate they put up and the manner in which that person campaigned thing reminds me of 2016.  

[visionary]

 

[skinsmarydu]

46 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I mean if you are the dems now what do you do? I dont see how they come out of this situation without pissing off many voters. 

You're right, I'm gonna be super pissed if I have to vote for Bernie. But I'll ****in do it anyway. 

I do see the irony of voting for a socialist to save the republic, but it's MY republic, and I still take my oath seriously...against ALL enemies. 

Edit, add: just a thought, didn't mean any snark at all, but I really don't wanna vote for Bernie. 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

they didn’t paint themselves into a corner. They let the democratic process play out which resulted in a very qualified, mature responsible adult likely winning the nomination, leaving you with a very clear choice. 
 

Trump, a racist hateful divisive child masquerading as an authoritarian undercutting the rule of law at every chance who you claim to oppose and think is dangerous versus a responsible qualified, respectful adult that has really specific yet expensive ideas to help all Americans improve their lives. 
 

and you somehow cant be bothered to vote here. If you need more evidence to vote against Trump that’s on you, not anyone else. 
 

Deciding to pass on that choice, or hell even threatening to vote for Trump unless they pick from your approved list of nominees and then have them pass your specific requirements to earn your vote...that is on you. 
 

that’s not the fault of the Dems. It’s your fault for passing on your responsibility to do what is right for your country. A president you disagree with on policies but is a respectable human being who will uphold the legacy of the office or someone that will burn our entire democracy to the ground to fill their pockets and protect themselves. 
 

Do not blame Democrats for your cowardice in making a choice. It’s on you. 

[skinsmarydu]

I hope that wasn't meant for me, cuz I said I would vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. 

Not voting isn't an option. I know that, and I've voted in every election since '84.

[Llevron]

21 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

that’s not the fault of the Dems. It’s your fault for passing on your responsibility to do what is right for your country. A president you disagree with on policies but is a respectable human being who will uphold the legacy of the office or someone that will burn our entire democracy to the ground to fill their pockets and protect themselves. 
 

Do not blame Democrats for your cowardice in making a choice. It’s on you. 

 

If Dems are really gonna allow for someone other than the one with the most votes to take the bid then they will deserve a lot of blame for what happens next. If they were that hell bent on stopping Burnie in the first place, they should never have allowed someone like Bloomberg to come into the race and arguably ruin it for Biden or Pete. Not that I want either of them. But if you were gonna put your thumb on the scale, doing it like this is the absolute worst way to do it. Assuming they do anything. I continue to hope they let the system play itself out but they have managed to put doubt in that happening somehow. 

[visionary]

She's endorsing Pete?

  

 

JK.

 

Not sure what this is about.  Since it was earlier tonight.

[TradeTheBeal!]

Just a reminder that Trump laid waste to the entire GOP with snorts, dick jokes and casual racism...while he was paying off prostitutes.

 

But sure, blame the Dems.

[TheGreatBuzz]

29 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

they didn’t paint themselves into a corner. They let the democratic process play out which resulted in a very qualified, mature responsible adult likely winning the nomination, leaving you with a very clear choice.

So you think it isn't possible for the popular vote to be wrong?  Especially if segmented by multiple good options?

 

32 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

unless they pick from your approved list of nominees and then have them pass your specific requirements to earn your vote..

My specific requirements?  My requirements has been literally anyone but Bernie.  And I said that long before he was the front runner so this isn't some type of buyers remorse.

 

33 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

It’s your fault for passing on your responsibility to do what is right for your country

I've done my share of what's right for the country.  Thanks.

 

34 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

Do not blame Democrats for your cowardice in making a choice. It’s on you.

I'm willing to make a choice.  Don't piss and moan because people aren't ready to fall in line like cattle behind a bad choice.  You don't think Dems have any blame here for picking the worst candidate 2 elections in a row?  If the Dems weren't cowards, they would have nipped this thing long ago.  Thinking they should get a pass on a bad candidate just because the other is worse makes no sense.

 

12 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Just a reminder that Trump laid waste to the entire GOP with snorts, dick jokes and casual racism...while he was paying off prostitutes.

 

But sure, blame the Dems.

This is why I don't mind the thought of an electoral enema.  

[Llevron]

6 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 

I'm willing to make a choice.  Don't piss and moan because people aren't ready to fall in line like cattle behind a bad choice.  You don't think Dems have any blame here for picking the worst candidate 2 elections in a row?  If the Dems weren't cowards, they would have nipped this thing long ago.  Thinking they should get a pass on a bad candidate just because the other is worse makes no sense.

 

You realize that you are saying Bernie was the better candidate last time and the worst this time right? That’s confusing. Would you have voted for him over Hilldog or am I reading that wrong?

 

Also the “I’m willing to make a choice. Don’t piss and moan cause people won’t fall in line” thing runs both ways. LOTS of people feel like it’s their choice to make to go with who they want regardless of what anyone else says and won’t fall in line. And many of those people support Bernie. It’s almost like you are saying do as I say, not as I do. 

 

I know you don’t mean it that way, but I’m not sure how you can say that and still bemoan others for doing the same thing. (I’m not trying to be a dick I promise) 

[visionary]

 

[Springfield]

I’ve not seen a single person claim they favor Bloomberg.  Who the **** is his actual target audience?  What’s his demo?

 

I don’t get how he could be polling above 2%

[Hersh]

36 minutes ago, visionary said:

She's endorsing Pete?

  

 

JK.

 

Not sure what this is about.  Since it was earlier tonight.

 

To me it reads as a shot at Bernie and how he bashes the establishment. 

[CousinsCowgirl84]

10 minutes ago, Springfield said:

I’ve not seen a single person claim they favor Bloomberg.  Who the **** is his actual target audience?  What’s his demo?

 

I don’t get how he could be polling above 2%

 people here are more likely to have heard more from him than just his adverts, which do seem pretty effective. So I would say his target audience is republicans who don’t like trump and haven’t heard Bloomberg’s  debate performances.

[88Comrade2000]

Democrats have different routes to win the Electoral College. None are easy.

 

>>>As the Democratic contest hurtles toward South Carolina and Super Tuesday, Democrats face a profound choice as to the direction of their party and the personal traits and policy positions of their nominee. In the process, they might also be choosing between very different road maps to beating President Donald Trump in the Electoral College.

To win in November, the Democratic nominee will likely need to hold all 20 states Hillary Clinton carried in 2016, plus flip some combination of the six states Trump carried by less than 5 points: Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.........<<<<

 

Dems, Want to Defeat Trump? Form a Team of Rivals 

 

>>> If this election turns out to be just between a self-proclaimed socialist and an undiagnosed sociopath, we will be in a terrible, terrible place as a country. How do we prevent that?That’s all I am thinking about right now. My short answer is that the Democrats have to do something extraordinary — forge a national unity ticket the likes of which they have never forged before. And that’s true even if Democrats nominate someone other than Bernie Sanders.............<<<

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

[88Comrade2000]

9 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

So for those not confident Bernie can win (gen election), do they think all these state polls showing him beating Trump (albeit often times close margin) are goosed somehow or do they just think between now and election time the "ooohhh evil Socialism" narrative will slowly erode support for him?

 

What I wonder is if Bernie manages to get the nomination, will MSNBC, (which right now is obviously going hard at Bernie trying to find any single establishment candidate to take him out) do what Fox did when Trump got the nominee and do the 180 flip to Pro-Bernie and suddenly have a come to reality moment that the "socialism" narrative they have been pushing for the last year is false?

Bernie hasn't been vetted yet.  He hasn't really had his entire life exposed yet and he hasn't faced a GOP/Trump attack machine yet.  

 

Once that is done, he's down to depending to his base support * turning out these people he says he will; to over come any voters he will lose and have that be more than Trump.  Remember,  Bernie is also going to drive up turnout for Trump also.  I don't think he will be able to turnout enough voters he needs to overcome the voters he will lose and the voters Trump will have in the key states. 

[Gallen5862]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/ar-BB10ueCF?ocid=spartanntp

 

Ukraine court forces probe into Biden role in firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin

 

KYIV —A court ruling in Ukraine has forced state investigators to open a probe into alleged pressure by then-vice president Joe Biden that led to the 2016 dismissal of Viktor Shokin as the country’s prosecutor general, officials said Thursday.

[visionary]

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Shokin’s firing, however, was not a unilateral action directed by Biden. It was prompted by a push for anti-corruption reforms developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

8 hours ago, Llevron said:

 

You realize that you are saying Bernie was the better candidate last time and the worst this time right? That’s confusing. Would you have voted for him over Hilldog or am I reading that wrong?

 

Also the “I’m willing to make a choice. Don’t piss and moan cause people won’t fall in line” thing runs both ways. LOTS of people feel like it’s their choice to make to go with who they want regardless of what anyone else says and won’t fall in line. And many of those people support Bernie. It’s almost like you are saying do as I say, not as I do. 

 

I know you don’t mean it that way, but I’m not sure how you can say that and still bemoan others for doing the same thing. (I’m not trying to be a dick I promise) 

Not saying Bernie was the better candidate in 2016.  There were better candidates, just none of them were allowed to run because it was Hillary's turn.  In hindsight though, I should have voted Hillary last time instead of 3rd party.  Remember NO ONE thought Trump would actually win so some people got lazy.  I don't think it's right to blame them for the outcome though.

If people want to support Bernie, that's fine.  But they shouldn't then be saying everyone HAS to vote for him or another Trump term is their fault.  It's the fault of the people who picked Bernie to begin with.  I can't blame them because I'm stuck with who they pick.  I don't get a say because I'm not a Democrat.  But that doesn't mean I can't sit back and shake my head for what the Dems do.  I also haven't said people must vote for a singular X or shut up.

 

Hopefully that clears it up.  I'm on my phone so you got the abbreviated answer.

[No Excuses]

8 hours ago, Springfield said:

I’ve not seen a single person claim they favor Bloomberg.  Who the **** is his actual target audience?  What’s his demo?

 

I don’t get how he could be polling above 2%

At this point, it’s mostly low info voters. His ads are everywhere. 

[goskins10]

22 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Not saying Bernie was the better candidate in 2016.  There were better candidates, just none of them were allowed to run because it was Hillary's turn.  In hindsight though, I should have voted Hillary last time instead of 3rd party.  Remember NO ONE thought Trump would actually win so some people got lazy.  I don't think it's right to blame them for the outcome though.

 

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People that voted for 3rd party were a very small number of voters by comparison. And just as many voted 3rd party who if forced to vote only for a party would have voted trump as would vote for Hillary. So it' was most likely a wash anyway. I voted hillary only becasue I could not live with myself if trump won and I had not voted for someone who had a legitimate chance to beat him. But i hated my vote as I have always in prior elections voted who I believed in even if not on the ballot - with a write in. 

 

The people who are more responsible are those the did not vote. There were many people who would normally vote democrat that just did not vote - and you hit part of the reason. They thought no way trump wins and I can't stand to vote for hillary. It's not the only reason by far. It's one of several. Not the least of which being hillary ran one of the worst most arrogant campaigns I have seen in my 60 yrs. 

 

To me it's just lazy to people blame those who voted 3rd party.

 

[PeterMP]

Yeah, how dumb of the Democrats not to come up with a system to avoid their party being taken over by an outsider that heavily appeals to people based on low value talking points.

 

Oh wait, they did.  The super delegate, which have been clearly written into the rules for winning the Democratic nomination for decades now (not something created just to prevent Sanders from taking control).  But somehow if they do their job, that'll be awful.

 

But somehow even though they've been written into the rules for decades if they do their job, it isn't fair.