Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[Renegade7]

5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

 

I have a serious questions to the Bernie supporters here.  If Bernie is the delegate leader going into the convention & the Democrats deny him the nomination:

 

1.  How will you feel?

2. Would you still vote for the Dem nominee?

3. Would you vote third party or sit out the election?

4. Would you vote against Democrats wherever possible?

5. Would you urge Bernie to run as a third party/independent candidate?  Would that even possible at such a late date- to get him on enough ballots to get 270 votes?

6. Would you urge people to run against the Dems?

 

 

1. It wont matter how I feel, the nominee will still be better then Trump.

2. Yes, still better then Trump

3. No, that didnt work in 2016, it wont work now

4. No, it's not worth it to vote GOP, Dem is still closest party to my current political beliefs.  It's still about survival, I cant eat my feelings

5. I'd be fine with it, but wouldnt push for it, the dem nominee will probably lose anyway if they blocked the nomination because of the amount of youth that wont come out. I would vote for him if polls should the neccesary split, but I wont throw my vote away as a protest vote

6. No, that's not in my best interests

 

No ask yourself if you think blocking Bernie is worth it?  It's not, it could end up being the level of asswhipping the conservatives put in the UK if they block Bernie from getting the nomination if he wins it fair and square.  What are we voting for at that point if neither party believes in democracy anymore?

[NoCalMike]

2 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 But moreso I fear that at least some of those polls severely overestimate under 30 turnout.

 

I see that as a fair point. I guess my counter would be that a candidate that is actually popular with the youth and their ideas might inspire a larger than normal turnout where as before a lot of Dem candidates appeal to them was "vote for me, because the other person is worse"

 

It will definitely be interesting to see if the youth's enthusiasm for Bernie translates to votes  Also, if a big enough percentage of the working poor/middle class that have tuned completely out of the process might be able to be brought back in via a Sanders campaign.

 

Certainly something to keep an eye on should Sanders win the nomination.

[visionary]

3 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Democrats screwed up by letting him run as a Dem in the first place.  But it's too late in the race to go back now.

I'm not sure they really had a choice this time around, since it would have upset a lot of people if they had kept him out.  

Now they shouldn't have let him run last time.  Just like Trump should not have been allowed to run.  

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, visionary said:

I'm not sure they really had a choice this time around, since it would have upset a lot of people if they had kept him out.  

Now they shouldn't have let him run last time.  Just like Trump should not have been allowed to run.  

Agree, DNC brought this on themselves four years ago then did a recovery tour to make up for it to keep from losing the base in 2020.  It wouldnt shocked me if they hoped Bernie would lose the nomination but not lose his voters by trying to stay out the way this time.  Blocking him would be playing games at this point, this election will be hard enough as it is, they need to let it go.

[Renegade7]

2 hours ago, bearrock said:

 

  My concern is that those supposed 17 trillion sounds inaccurate (some downright illogical) and that the 17 trillion is unlikely to be sustainable long term.  So the shortfall will be there in decade 2, grow larger in decade 3, etc.

 

That's fair, that's what I'm expecting if nothing else changes as well based on what you and others have posted. A lot can happen it 20-30 years, like future generations figuring out how to keep it going.

 

This is going to end up like pre-existint conditions or even social security in the sense the only thing that can really kill it is running out of money. GOP can try to dilute as much ad they can, but once public gets a taste of this, it's not going anywhere.

 

Sometimes I wonder if DNC and GOP are really scared of people hating Bernie and Trump or actually liking them once getting used to them.  

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

[LadySkinsFan]

To save our country from Trump and Republicans ruining it, there has to be support for the Democrat nominee and all Democrats down ballot. I am serious.

 

If someone votes third party or doesn't vote, and Trump/Republicans are not rebuked at the polls, it's on them. And I don't want to hear any crying about how bad things are. 

 

I've said before, this is the most important election since the Civil War.

[visionary]

 

 

 

NSFW

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1233153450197700608

 

[bearrock]

I really don't get why Sanders doesn't release it.  Based on the fact that he's campaigning, I assume it doesn't say he's likely to drop dead in the next six months or something.  Short of that, even if it paints a concerning picture, I doubt he would lose a lot of support.  Another one of those process things that really annoys me.

[TradeTheBeal!]

Sanders won’t release his health records for the same reason Trumo basically falsified his.

 

Because he doesn’t have to.  His base is a cult of personality and they simply do not care.  

 

Then the flex is “get on board or we will destroy the party”.

[Llevron]

Its true though. His voters dont care if his heart is at risk. A vote for him is less and less about him as time goes on. Its weird. Atleast imo 

[visionary]

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

[Llevron]

Bloomberg's lack of understanding of how hes ****ing himself over here is hilarious. And should be disqualifying for the people voting for him. But again, their lack of understanding is hilarious lol

[visionary]

 

[The Sisko]

1 hour ago, visionary said:

 

Diamond and Silk. This generation’s version of Amos ‘n Andy. I’m sure trotting out these Uncle Tom sellout house negroes will bring the black vote over to him.🙄🙄

[Larry]

7 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

I'll still vote blue regardless of the nominee because that is how much I don't want to see a 2nd term of Trump. However any expectation of the Dem nominee winning the general election will be 100% lost if it becomes apparent that the DNC took major steps to deny a candidate that the people were overwhelmingly voting for. 

 

 

 

Scenario:  The final delegate count is:  

 

Bernie: 45%

Bloomberg: 30%

Biden: 25%

 

If Biden-Bloomberg decide to combine the moderate vote, maybe toss a coin for who gets to be Veep, giving the joint ticket 55% of the delegates, then "The DNC conspired to overrule the vote"?  

 

Because that's what the Bernie Bros are pushing, right now.  Civil war if the DNC doesn't change their rules to where the nomination goes to whoever comes closest to getting the majority.  

 

7 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

The Sanders campaign should start coalition-building in an effort to secure a delegate majority.  This is known as “politics”.

 

And abandon "Scorched Earth"?  

[visionary]

[Larry]

4 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

Especially if Mexico is paying for it.

 

Maybe Bernie can use that as a deflection for ther funding question?  Maybe his response should be "Canada will pay for it."  

 

Anybody tries to reject that response, hit 'em with "Hey, you've let the Liar In Chief tell that lie for four years straight.  I can get away with it for another 3 years and 364 days."  

 

[visionary]

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

The Steyer rally going to get turnt when they hear "Cash Money taking over for the 99 and 2000s."

[PeterMP]

5 hours ago, PF Chang said:

 

Thanks for posting these. The situation in Japan is interesting. It's been too long since I've studied this but I think the idea of MV=PY where M is money supply, V is velocity, P is price and Y is output holds up, but the question is about typical assumptions of V and Y vs "real world" outcomes. 

 

I'm open to changing my mind about MMT in general. When it comes to Sanders and AOC my concern is that it's become a convenient excuse for them to print money. 

 

It is absolutely an excuse for them to print money, but that isn't really evidence it is wrong.

 

It is an interesting quandary.  If MMT is correct, then not spending to the point that you reach near full employment is a huge mistake that's been being made globally for decades to the demise and disadvantage of billions of people and who knows what technology and scientific advances. 

 

Could we have easily established a colony on Mars by now?  How many people died of unnecessary famine because we were afraid to spend the money to generate food to feed them?

 

If it isn't correct, then in pursuing it you might send human civilization back to the stone age (the US running up its debt even further and then having to essentially default on it is likely a WW3 like event).  

 

It is clear that macroeconomics as we've known it for the last 25+ years has issues.  MMT might be an explanation of why.  What is the right course of action?

 

(Though, I'm seeing more and more reasonable people say that we're so far gone in terms of debt and deficit, we might as well embrace MMT and hope for the best because going back the other way is realistically impossible.  Like Japan, we're going there one way or another.  We can only pick the rate.)

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

5 hours ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

Get him to sign your “rage against the dying of the light” tattoo. 
 

You can do this.

I did try to get to him afterward when he was shaking hands and kissing babies but I had no babies and my hands are pretty small so it just wasn’t in the cards 

[TheGreatBuzz]

3 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said:

To save our country from Trump and Republicans ruining it, there has to be support for the Democrat nominee and all Democrats down ballot. I am serious.

 

If someone votes third party or doesn't vote, and Trump/Republicans are not rebuked at the polls, it's on them. And I don't want to hear any crying about how bad things are. 

 

I've said before, this is the most important election since the Civil War.

Then you should probably buy some ear muffs.

 

I guess it will be blaming others again.  If the Dems actually nominate a self-described socialist, it’s at least partly on them.