Hooper Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 We could pay Kirk what he wants and have plenty of cap space going forward. Everything else is just spin. Fans need to realize the cap has gone up at a rate much higher than salaries, especially when you factor in rookie deals, which make up a huge chunk of rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The stupid is coming out in full force today. 5 hours, 14 minutes until this bad boy hopefully gets closed down so the mods can save me from myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Also I'm still waiting on Bruce Allen having a prove it year. Kirk is on his third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, ThomasRoane said: After watching an offense that can easily put up over 350 yards worth of offense the last two years do you really want to go back to watching a serviceable offense that struggles to score more than 20 each week? Even if you do get some new kid to groom. By the time he's ready you will most likely have to replace quite a few players; most likely Trent Williams and Jordan Reed. in the past 32 games we've scored 20 or less 12 times. and 6 more times we were barely over with a score of 24 to 21 points. We were a yardage machine, not a points one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Can you find that for me? I don't remember any mention of Bruce all offseason and the only mention of Dan being his explanation for speaking with him about any potential trade. Sure BatteredFan, let me do this again. 5:32 mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, MartinC said: The teams standards as judged by the coaching staff and ultimately front office. This is pro sports. That's how it works. I understand that, but this teams' standards and another teams' standards are completely different. That's my point. This team has stunk. Defense, special teams and costly mistakes. Not just Kirk. There are plenty of teams that will pay him for what he has done. May not be up to this teams' standards, but I can name 6 teams off the top of my head that would instantly be better with kirk and their standards. If his average of the past 2 years is below this teams' standards (68.4% 4541 yards 27 Tds 12 INTs) And he "walks", teams would be lining up to sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I really should just stop coming on here. This is my only source of news about football. Just start waiting until October to see if we're worth watching or not and take it from there. I really am not enjoying knowing how this team is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Hooper said: We could pay Kirk what he wants and have plenty of cap space going forward. Everything else is just spin. Fans need to realize the cap has gone up at a rate much higher than salaries, especially when you factor in rookie deals, which make up a huge chunk of rosters. I would like to see your evidence of this, cause I've looked at plenty of cap calculators and don't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, carex said: in the past 32 games we've scored 20 or less 12 times. and 6 more times we were barely over with a score of 24 to 21 points. We were a yardage machine, not a points one That's all fine and dandy, but it also is not all on Kirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Just now, Hooper said: Also I'm still waiting on Bruce Allen having a prove it year. Kirk is on his third. You know what's interesting though? Many of the Kirk detractors point to him being good-not great and folds in big moments. What has Bruce done other than just the basics here by having some salary cap restraint? He traded the farm for a guy that will never play another snap in the NFL. He hired a GM and didn't let him GM, then canned him. He's locked up 44M and potentially more in franchise tag salaries to a QB he's not sold on. These are all 'big moments' for a general manager and he's struck out swinging in all 3. Yet these folks love them some Bruce. Can't make this stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanPA Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Look, I'm an eternal optimist that is holding out hope until 4:00 PM that we get him signed. Saw a dude at Hersheypark Friday night wearing a Captain Kirk shirt (great shirt, btw), and lamented how we were running out of time to get him signed...at least I know he'll be our guy for 2017, and for 2018, if we want to pay the price. My concern is this: If he does part ways with the team next spring, and even if Sudfeld is the next Aaron Rodgers, or if they draft the next Aaron Rodgers...at SOME point, if you have an elite (or at the very least, a highly servicable) QB, you're going to HAVE to pay him, right? So in a few years we could be right back to where we are today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, SkinsFanPA said: Look, I'm an eternal optimist that is holding out hope until 4:00 PM that we get him signed. Saw a dude at Hersheypark Friday night wearing a Captain Kirk shirt (great shirt, btw), and lamented how we were running out of time to get him signed...at least I know he'll be our guy for 2017, and for 2018, if we want to pay the price. My concern is this: If he does part ways with the team next spring, and even if Sudfeld is the next Aaron Rodgers, or if they draft the next Aaron Rodgers...at SOME point, if you have an elite (or at the very least, a highly servicable) QB, you're going to HAVE to pay him, right? So in a few years we could be right back to where we are today... hopefully we'll get a guy with some proven success by his contract years if this doesn't work out with Kirk. And for all the talk about the ****ty QBs we've had recently before that period we also had some fairly pedestrian QBs. I can see not wanting to set a QB contract record for the next Jay Schroeder or even Mark Rypien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Redskins FO deserves the backlash if a deal isn't done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Is there any way to replace the ole "Redskins One Tracker" technology with one for "Grandmas Conversion Van?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, SkinsFanPA said: My concern is this: If he does part ways with the team next spring, and even if Sudfeld is the next Aaron Rodgers, or if they draft the next Aaron Rodgers...at SOME point, if you have an elite (or at the very least, a highly servicable) QB, you're going to HAVE to pay him, right? So in a few years we could be right back to where we are today... I've been beating this drum for a while now. Fans want a unicorn. They want to draft a QB with all the tools, pay him next to nothing on a rookie deal, but he'll also need to develop into an elite QB during this cheap rookie deal, and only then will he be deemed worth of a temporarily record breaking deal when his time comes. There are also some that think this elite QB will take a hometown discount when his time comes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 T - 4:57..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I really should just stop coming on here. This is my only source of news about football. Just start waiting until October to see if we're worth watching or not and take it from there. I really am not enjoying knowing how this team is run. YOU, ME and a hell of a lot of other people here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, SkinsFanPA said: Look, I'm an eternal optimist that is holding out hope until 4:00 PM that we get him signed. Saw a dude at Hersheypark Friday night wearing a Captain Kirk shirt (great shirt, btw), and lamented how we were running out of time to get him signed...at least I know he'll be our guy for 2017, and for 2018, if we want to pay the price. My concern is this: If he does part ways with the team next spring, and even if Sudfeld is the next Aaron Rodgers, or if they draft the next Aaron Rodgers...at SOME point, if you have an elite (or at the very least, a highly servicable) QB, you're going to HAVE to pay him, right? So in a few years we could be right back to where we are today... Not sure that's true. The problem with the entire thing is that Kirk did not start until his last year on his rookie contract. That is what put this on a different path right from the start. If you draft a QB or even if Sudfeld starts in 2018, you are much closer to a normal cycle where you get a chance to extend them while still under contract. The tag does not have to come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, TK said: T - 4:57..... I'm interested to see this from you...is that your time frame to close down this thread? HA! Or, do you still have any hope of something happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The Washington Cluster****s A fitting new name, the FO owns the Redskins name, but the above is better suited, I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 All the fun and excitement of a potentially good season is ruined if no LTD. In the back of all our minds, we'll be thinking Kirk is gone next year and the team will regress back to being bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Best quote was from Thom Loverro yesterday in his article: Quote The question, though, for the Redskins should not be whether or not Cousins has sold himself enough to make more money than any quarterback in the NFL — a short-lived place once the next big quarterback contract comes along. The questions should be this: What else is there to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 minute ago, goskins10 said: Not sure that's true. The problem with the entire thing is that Kirk did not start until his last year on his rookie contract. That is what put this on a different path right from the start. If you draft a QB or even if Sudfeld starts in 2018, you are much closer to a normal cycle where you get a chance to extend them while still under contract. The tag does not have to come into play. While what you are saying is true, you still have to pay out the nose even if you extend a good, young QB while still under contract. The Raiders didn't 'have to' extend Carr and give him 25M per season. Reports indicate that the Lions intend to give Stafford an extension that is incrementally more than Carr's deal. So while the tag doesn't come into play, it's still a buttload of money. Nobody gets a legit starting QB on a non-rookie deal at a bargain price not named Tom Brady. I'm sure the looming Aaron Rodgers extension will break all records and that's coming from an organization that is historically pretty damn cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, elkabong82 said: All the fun and excitement of a potentially good season is ruined if no LTD. In the back of all our minds, we'll be thinking Kirk is gone next year and the team will regress back to being bad. That's my biggest issue with this! Nothing we do this year will feel sustainable. Honestly, it puts me in a situation where I'll be interested at the two extremes (very bad season or very good season). Otherwise, if we are 7-9 or 9-7 it really doesn't matter. There's little build on and I'll be forced to watch for progress from individual players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Well I would think that we would actually hear something if they were negotiating. And it's not going to be like. "Hey Kirk, here is the deal you wanted!" "Great, thanks" If they aren't even close, I guess setting up a contract takes time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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